Just building a 300 bhp PD 130

Basil · 04-11-2007, 18:35

Brilliant serious all-out race work!
Can't wait to see the dyno printout tbh...

Steve Aldo · 07-11-2007, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by dervdoctor

We have had this running now, making the down pipe was a task :s

We are just finishing the inlet pipes and the intake system, should be on the dyno towards the end of the week. She should pull near or over 300 bhp we hope!!

WOW

Cannot wait for that!!

Steve

devonutopia · 07-11-2007, 22:26

Looking forward to seeing what she does bearing in mind I have almost all the above about to go on my car, along with a ported and flowed head and inlet manifold. I don't have water injection, but NOS is fairly similar in what it does.

Can you tell me more about the extra fuel cooler please? Type and where it's positioned?

dervdoctor · 08-11-2007, 08:30

the fuel cooler is at the front, just to control the fuel temps, they do get quite high some times.

devonutopia · 08-11-2007, 11:40

Is it a Mocal one? How much?

I fancy fitting one when my car is off-the-road at the end of this year for a bit having some stuff done.

jabba_luke · 08-11-2007, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonutopia

Is it a Mocal one? How much?

I fancy fitting one when my car is off-the-road at the end of this year for a bit having some stuff done.

Yep you can get a Mocal oil cooler to work....

This was going to be the next mod for mine...... but now its sold

devonutopia · 08-11-2007, 13:07

Mocal ones just seem so much dosh for so little which is why I was wondering if there were other fuel coolers out there which are just as effective, but less dosh.

WW_VRS · 08-11-2007, 13:22

Any chance of a pic of how that was fitted, I've got one still and as and when the project commences I'm tempted to do this

devonutopia · 08-11-2007, 13:35

Well, I was just going to bolt mine to the chassis using some kind of DIY mount, attaching it to the offside chassis rail, so it hangs down into airflow, then just divert the pipe that goes to the fuel filter to go to the oil cooler first, then into the fuel filter, then into the engine.

I guess you could also cool down the return fuel pipe, but that would be more of a diversion as oem route goes off the fuel rail and to the tank next to the coolant resevoir. I would sooner cool the incoming fuel to lessen the amount of extra fuel pipe needing to be fitted into the system as a whole.

dervdoctor · 08-11-2007, 22:55

We use all PWR cooling products, the cooler we use is originally designed as a auto box oil cooler. But they are a nice size and have barb'd connectors on them.

WW_VRS · 09-11-2007, 18:11

What kinda price we're talking here, might have to come visit you guys at some stage

dervdoctor · 09-11-2007, 19:51

I think the actual cooler is about £35 plus VAT

devonutopia · 09-11-2007, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by dervdoctor

I think the actual cooler is about £35 plus VAT

I think WW was actually talking about the "conversion"

But from me, thanks for the hint on price of the fuel cooler.

oilburninnut · 10-11-2007, 14:41

yes how much would i have to spank my credit card for this conversion?I can feel the easy route to 300bhp coming

WW_VRS · 10-11-2007, 15:52

Nah I've got the full engine/gearbox etc from my cat-C

I've got a mogol oil cooler. The tricky thing is fitting the blasted thing somewhere, sounds like for that kinda money it's an interesting one

Out of (slightly OT) interest, is there a suitable sandwich plate for an additional (thermostatically controlled) oil cooler available for this engine, or even some kinda double-T adaptor ? I've not had much luck with this and I am still keen to try to find a good solution

Glider · 17-12-2007, 05:22

Have you had this on a dyno yet.

john_grant358 · 17-12-2007, 07:30

Im not being funny, is it possible to use 300BHP in a front wheel drive car? Mines not even 200 and i cant floor it in 1st or 2nd gear as i just wheel spin! Would imagine the problem would be even worse with 300 horse's under the bonnet! Just look at the astra VXR!
I guess it would depend where the power came in.

Any thoughts anyone?

Basil · 17-12-2007, 08:37

You'd have to have an LSD as well as an uprated dogbone. Minimise rear-end weight while keping all the weight up front to load the front wheels.

Still be interesting to control the power delivery, but once you're in 3rd no probs. The Fab vRS is not a choice for drag launches - but at rolling - fast it shines....

seano47 · 21-12-2007, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basil

You'd have to have an LSD as well as an uprated dogbone. Minimise rear-end weight while keping all the weight up front to load the front wheels.

Still be interesting to control the power delivery, but once you're in 3rd no probs. The Fab vRS is not a choice for drag launches - but at rolling - fast it shines....

good little bit of info there mate

this really is an interesting project so its now abit of a race between who will be first to 300bhp mark Jason or Derv

devonutopia · 21-12-2007, 13:02

Might come down to who can use the power. It seems like Derv has got a good setup though, but I fancy my LSD and dogbone may help in using the horsies.

Once my nozzles and head are fitted, I would hope to be at 280bhp without any other additives. What the propane does is anyone's guess, and the NOS? Well.... The car will not be tuned for the NOS, but I'll be seeing what it does after.

04-11-2007, 18:35	#21
Basil hardcore modder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Henley-on-Thames Posts: 3,001 Thanks: 170 Thanked 159 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Brilliant serious all-out race work! Can't wait to see the dyno printout tbh... __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

07-11-2007, 22:26	#23
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,053 Thanks: 60 Thanked 272 Times in 222 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Looking forward to seeing what she does bearing in mind I have almost all the above about to go on my car, along with a ported and flowed head and inlet manifold. I don't have water injection, but NOS is fairly similar in what it does. Can you tell me more about the extra fuel cooler please? Type and where it's positioned? __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

08-11-2007, 08:30	#24
dervdoctor Site Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 the fuel cooler is at the front, just to control the fuel temps, they do get quite high some times. __________________

08-11-2007, 11:40	#25
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,053 Thanks: 60 Thanked 272 Times in 222 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Is it a Mocal one? How much? I fancy fitting one when my car is off-the-road at the end of this year for a bit having some stuff done. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

08-11-2007, 13:07	#27
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,053 Thanks: 60 Thanked 272 Times in 222 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Mocal ones just seem so much dosh for so little which is why I was wondering if there were other fuel coolers out there which are just as effective, but less dosh. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

08-11-2007, 13:22	#28
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,684 Thanks: 43 Thanked 67 Times in 58 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Any chance of a pic of how that was fitted, I've got one still and as and when the project commences I'm tempted to do this __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Fabia vRS alloys for sale incl tyres, spare wheel with tyre + spare tyre - make me an offer via PM

08-11-2007, 13:35	#29
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,053 Thanks: 60 Thanked 272 Times in 222 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Well, I was just going to bolt mine to the chassis using some kind of DIY mount, attaching it to the offside chassis rail, so it hangs down into airflow, then just divert the pipe that goes to the fuel filter to go to the oil cooler first, then into the fuel filter, then into the engine. I guess you could also cool down the return fuel pipe, but that would be more of a diversion as oem route goes off the fuel rail and to the tank next to the coolant resevoir. I would sooner cool the incoming fuel to lessen the amount of extra fuel pipe needing to be fitted into the system as a whole. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

08-11-2007, 22:55	#30
dervdoctor Site Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 We use all PWR cooling products, the cooler we use is originally designed as a auto box oil cooler. But they are a nice size and have barb'd connectors on them. __________________

09-11-2007, 18:11	#31
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,684 Thanks: 43 Thanked 67 Times in 58 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 What kinda price we're talking here, might have to come visit you guys at some stage __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Fabia vRS alloys for sale incl tyres, spare wheel with tyre + spare tyre - make me an offer via PM

09-11-2007, 19:51	#32
dervdoctor Site Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 I think the actual cooler is about £35 plus VAT __________________

10-11-2007, 14:41	#34
oilburninnut resident gayer Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,294 Thanks: 141 Thanked 119 Times in 111 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 yes how much would i have to spank my credit card for this conversion?I can feel the easy route to 300bhp coming __________________ 2nd most powerful car on awesome rolling road day

10-11-2007, 15:52	#35
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,684 Thanks: 43 Thanked 67 Times in 58 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Nah I've got the full engine/gearbox etc from my cat-C I've got a mogol oil cooler. The tricky thing is fitting the blasted thing somewhere, sounds like for that kinda money it's an interesting one Out of (slightly OT) interest, is there a suitable sandwich plate for an additional (thermostatically controlled) oil cooler available for this engine, or even some kinda double-T adaptor ? I've not had much luck with this and I am still keen to try to find a good solution __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Fabia vRS alloys for sale incl tyres, spare wheel with tyre + spare tyre - make me an offer via PM

17-12-2007, 05:22	#36
Glider Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 2,400 Thanks: 5 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Have you had this on a dyno yet.

17-12-2007, 07:30	#37
john_grant358 Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,267 Thanks: 39 Thanked 40 Times in 40 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Im not being funny, is it possible to use 300BHP in a front wheel drive car? Mines not even 200 and i cant floor it in 1st or 2nd gear as i just wheel spin! Would imagine the problem would be even worse with 300 horse's under the bonnet! Just look at the astra VXR! I guess it would depend where the power came in. Any thoughts anyone? __________________ 05 silver furby vrs, Remap, PD160, silver dash kit, eibachs, Jabba ARB, sachs clutch and very unique colour alloys!

17-12-2007, 08:37	#38
Basil hardcore modder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Henley-on-Thames Posts: 3,001 Thanks: 170 Thanked 159 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 You'd have to have an LSD as well as an uprated dogbone. Minimise rear-end weight while keping all the weight up front to load the front wheels. Still be interesting to control the power delivery, but once you're in 3rd no probs. The Fab vRS is not a choice for drag launches - but at rolling - fast it shines.... __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

21-12-2007, 13:02	#40
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,053 Thanks: 60 Thanked 272 Times in 222 Posts	Re: Just building a 300 bhp PD 130 Might come down to who can use the power. It seems like Derv has got a good setup though, but I fancy my LSD and dogbone may help in using the horsies. Once my nozzles and head are fitted, I would hope to be at 280bhp without any other additives. What the propane does is anyone's guess, and the NOS? Well.... The car will not be tuned for the NOS, but I'll be seeing what it does after. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

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