1.4 TDI PD 3 Cylinder Chip Tuning Help...

pietch · 11-08-2005, 13:28

Hi all,

I want to chip tune my 1.4 TDI, I already have one of these resistor mods:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PD-TDI-TUNING-...QQcmdZViewItem

It reckons I will now achieve 90bhp + and extra 40nm of torque, I am not so sure? However I can confirm a massive improvement, thing is I want more power on the cheap, is this possible?

I know Jabba do a chip to take power to 115BHP + 200lb/ft of torque, however I feel it is rather expensive? Is there another cheaper plug and play alternative?

Jabba also chip ECU's by post but this means no rolling road setup, is this necessary?

Please advise of your expreiences and problems encountered...

Thanks,

Pietch

ScoobyChris · 11-08-2005, 13:44

Instead of your resistor mod, you could look at a Digital tuning box, made by someone like Dragon (check out www.mrhoot.com) which is about half the cost of a full remap, but almost as good

Chris

pietch · 11-08-2005, 13:55

Mrhoot.com is just the resistor mod in disguise. The digital one is for the 1.9 TDI only

Can I install a manual boost controller or bleed valve (along with a boost gauge of course).

Is this poss?

Thanks

Alan M · 11-08-2005, 19:51

The ECU will most likely throw up some alarms if you put a boost controller or bleed valve on.

Jon TDI · 11-08-2005, 20:51

A remap or chip will get you a little more power but not much compared with a box.
More power on the cheap isn't easy!

A generic chip is fine if you don't have another mods, where as a custom map set up on the rollers will take advantage of them.
The biggest difference between these & a box, is that it will be a much smoother power delivery & a custom remap will give you a choice of how you want it mapping.

Jabbasport are probably the cheapest, especially with the Group Buys popping up from time to time.

Also have a look at Custom Code, Forge Motorsport, Upsolute or Revo.

jtstatic · 12-08-2005, 07:38

Have you already fitted the cupra intake (you should also remove trumpet from upper half of airbox and snowscreen below filter to make full use of it), helps with a box (or resistor mod) to cut smoke/improve performance if you turn the fuel delivery a bit higher.. I recon you can't get much more with a standard chip as the GT15 turbo can't take much more boost.. If you want more power than with box better get a custom chip with better injectors / turbo. The best I've seen is 115 bhp from the following company (they've done a lot of mods to achieve this so I don't think you'll get much more with just a chip):

http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/bb..._9n_14_tdi.php

Jon TDI · 12-08-2005, 07:48

Almost sure, the Cupra intake won't fit as it's a different airbox.

**VRStu** · 12-08-2005, 07:56

This guy claims to be the only 1.4 Digital box on the market.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Have you spoken to Jabba about buying through a Briskoda Group Buy? Perhaps a PM to Adrian (SkodiRS) would shed some light.

A plug in will only increase fueling, although this is effective and produces good results it's no substitue for a set up on the rollers where the mapper can change other parameters such as boost pressure. A custom map can also be tailored to suit your needs, if you want all the torque in a lump or spread over the rev range for instance.

jtstatic · 12-08-2005, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon TDI

Almost sure, the Cupra intake won't fit as it's a different airbox.

Based on what experience exactly? Better get some facts before claiming stupid things like that..

Jon TDI · 12-08-2005, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtstatic

Based on what experience exactly? Better get some facts before claiming stupid things like that..

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.........claws out!!!

What's the engine code of the 1.4 TDI then?

jtstatic · 12-08-2005, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

This guy claims to be the only 1.4 Digital box on the market.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Have you spoken to Jabba about buying through a Briskoda Group Buy? Perhaps a PM to Adrian (SkodiRS) would shed some light.

A plug in will only increase fueling, although this is effective and produces good results it's no substitue for a set up on the rollers where the mapper can change other parameters such as boost pressure. A custom map can also be tailored to suit your needs, if you want all the torque in a lump or spread over the rev range for instance.

I have this engine and you get very good results with just a tuning box and modified intake, trust me. I don't know maybe it's because most of the parts are oversized for the standard output (airbox for example is the same as the more powerful models) with plenty of headroom so you get very good results by just increasing fuelling. You're right however that custom remap is always the best choice if you want to squeeze all possible power from the engine but I doubt a generic chip would give you much extra over a tuning box..

jtstatic · 12-08-2005, 16:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon TDI

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.........claws out!!!

What's the engine code of the 1.4 TDI then?

AMF... check it if you like.. there is a thread where one guy fitted it in his fabia.. I also fitted one in my polo.. it fits trust me..

Jon TDI · 12-08-2005, 16:13

My mistake, I was looking at the Arosa airbox on ETKA.

Like I said I was ALMOST sure.

jtstatic · 12-08-2005, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon TDI

My mistake, I was looking at the Arosa airbox on ETKA.

Like I said I was ALMOST sure.

Well yeah, you did, please accept my apologies for the "claiming stupid things" part then

pietch · 12-08-2005, 18:27

so could I fit this:

http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/b...o_9n_14_tdi.php

and still keep my tuning #resistor' mod box?

Thanks

jtstatic · 13-08-2005, 15:57

Generally it's not a good idea to run resistor mod/tuning box with a chip.. I suggest you check for example www.tdiclub.com for some basic TDI tuning principle first, then come back with more questions

http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-6.html

There you can also find instructions for making a bleed if you like, better check the instructions apply for the 1.4 tdi engine also, I haven't yet looked into this..

devonutopia · 13-08-2005, 16:04

Would anyone be deeply upset if I said that ETOS is telling me the AMF (1.4 diesel) uses the same intake connection parts as the ASZ/ATD engines? (pd130/pd100)

jtstatic · 13-08-2005, 16:47

Uses the same driveshafts also _IF_ I remember correctly.. clutch/transmission is different though.. The 1.4 shares more parts with the 1.9 engine than you'd first think. You can get PD100 like performance easily so it's a good budget solution if you're not hoping much more power than that..

galv · 15-08-2005, 22:44

Tunning boxes only "Bend" signals from the sensors to the ECU, they are not a patch on a proper re-map.
Custom Code (Phase 1) gives 105-110bhp and 175-180 ft-lb of torque

jtstatic · 16-08-2005, 05:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by galv

Tunning boxes only "Bend" signals from the sensors to the ECU, they are not a patch on a proper re-map.
Custom Code (Phase 1) gives 105-110bhp and 175-180 ft-lb of torque

Yep, custom is best - like said many times earlier in this thread. Would like to see what is the best people have got out of this engine (not anyone crazy enough apparently) with a custom code + other modifications.. I've heard about couple of cars getting near 120bhp but that's about the max.. I guess the gearbox & powertrain are also limiting factors when nearing the 300nm mark and the internal of the engine (pistons/con rods?).. so not really worth it going phase 2?

ScoobyChris · 16-08-2005, 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by galv

Tunning boxes only "Bend" signals from the sensors to the ECU, they are not a patch on a proper re-map.
Custom Code (Phase 1) gives 105-110bhp and 175-180 ft-lb of torque

I used to run a 30 quid resistor mod tuning box on my PD100 which I was more than happy with. I also went out in cars which had been remapped or ran digital tuning boxes. They may have been slightly quicker, but they weren't 10x better to make me part with 10x the cost of my tuning box

When I sold the car, I also sold the tuning box separately and got £20 for it, which brought down the cost of ownership even further

Chris

11-08-2005, 13:28	#1
pietch Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 242 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1.4 TDI PD 3 Cylinder Chip Tuning Help... Hi all, I want to chip tune my 1.4 TDI, I already have one of these resistor mods: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PD-TDI-TUNING-...QQcmdZViewItem It reckons I will now achieve 90bhp + and extra 40nm of torque, I am not so sure? However I can confirm a massive improvement, thing is I want more power on the cheap, is this possible? I know Jabba do a chip to take power to 115BHP + 200lb/ft of torque, however I feel it is rather expensive? Is there another cheaper plug and play alternative? Jabba also chip ECU's by post but this means no rolling road setup, is this necessary? Please advise of your expreiences and problems encountered... Thanks, Pietch Last edited by pietch; 11-08-2005 at 13:28. Reason: Typo

11-08-2005, 13:44	#2
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,269 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 16 Thanked 353 Times in 304 Posts	Instead of your resistor mod, you could look at a Digital tuning box, made by someone like Dragon (check out www.mrhoot.com) which is about half the cost of a full remap, but almost as good Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

11-08-2005, 13:55	#3
pietch Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 242 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mrhoot.com is just the resistor mod in disguise. The digital one is for the 1.9 TDI only Can I install a manual boost controller or bleed valve (along with a boost gauge of course). Is this poss? Thanks Last edited by pietch; 11-08-2005 at 13:58.

11-08-2005, 19:51	#4
Alan M Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North East UK, Gateshead Posts: 350 Members Car: Red 2005 Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The ECU will most likely throw up some alarms if you put a boost controller or bleed valve on. __________________ *Vorsprung DERV Technik*

11-08-2005, 20:51	#5
Jon TDI Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North East England Posts: 3,229 Members Car: SEAT Leon TDI Sport Thanks: 34 Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts	A remap or chip will get you a little more power but not much compared with a box. More power on the cheap isn't easy! A generic chip is fine if you don't have another mods, where as a custom map set up on the rollers will take advantage of them. The biggest difference between these & a box, is that it will be a much smoother power delivery & a custom remap will give you a choice of how you want it mapping. Jabbasport are probably the cheapest, especially with the Group Buys popping up from time to time. Also have a look at Custom Code, Forge Motorsport, Upsolute or Revo. __________________ Black Magic SEAT Leon 2.0 TDI Sport - Green panel thingy, Upsolute jiggery pokery, Koni FSD/Eibach Pro Kit bouncy stuff, 18" Audi A8 Parabol rims, '08 Cupra black/honeycombe grille. Also driving around in a Mini ONE that thinks it's a Cooper! John Cooper Works airbox, Superchips Bluefin remap, Sprint Booster, 17" Cooper S Spokes Last edited by Jon TDI; 11-08-2005 at 20:55. Reason: Didn't realise it was a resistor not a box!

12-08-2005, 07:38	#6
jtstatic Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 129 Members Car: VW Polo 1.4 TDI Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Have you already fitted the cupra intake (you should also remove trumpet from upper half of airbox and snowscreen below filter to make full use of it), helps with a box (or resistor mod) to cut smoke/improve performance if you turn the fuel delivery a bit higher.. I recon you can't get much more with a standard chip as the GT15 turbo can't take much more boost.. If you want more power than with box better get a custom chip with better injectors / turbo. The best I've seen is 115 bhp from the following company (they've done a lot of mods to achieve this so I don't think you'll get much more with just a chip): http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/bb..._9n_14_tdi.php

12-08-2005, 07:48	#7
Jon TDI Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North East England Posts: 3,229 Members Car: SEAT Leon TDI Sport Thanks: 34 Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts	Almost sure, the Cupra intake won't fit as it's a different airbox. __________________ Black Magic SEAT Leon 2.0 TDI Sport - Green panel thingy, Upsolute jiggery pokery, Koni FSD/Eibach Pro Kit bouncy stuff, 18" Audi A8 Parabol rims, '08 Cupra black/honeycombe grille. Also driving around in a Mini ONE that thinks it's a Cooper! John Cooper Works airbox, Superchips Bluefin remap, Sprint Booster, 17" Cooper S Spokes

12-08-2005, 07:56	#8
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 21,119 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 195 Thanked 1,046 Times in 928 Posts	This guy claims to be the only 1.4 Digital box on the market. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Have you spoken to Jabba about buying through a Briskoda Group Buy? Perhaps a PM to Adrian (SkodiRS) would shed some light. A plug in will only increase fueling, although this is effective and produces good results it's no substitue for a set up on the rollers where the mapper can change other parameters such as boost pressure. A custom map can also be tailored to suit your needs, if you want all the torque in a lump or spread over the rev range for instance. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

12-08-2005, 16:13	#13
Jon TDI Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North East England Posts: 3,229 Members Car: SEAT Leon TDI Sport Thanks: 34 Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts	My mistake, I was looking at the Arosa airbox on ETKA. Like I said I was ALMOST sure. __________________ Black Magic SEAT Leon 2.0 TDI Sport - Green panel thingy, Upsolute jiggery pokery, Koni FSD/Eibach Pro Kit bouncy stuff, 18" Audi A8 Parabol rims, '08 Cupra black/honeycombe grille. Also driving around in a Mini ONE that thinks it's a Cooper! John Cooper Works airbox, Superchips Bluefin remap, Sprint Booster, 17" Cooper S Spokes

12-08-2005, 18:27	#15
pietch Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 242 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	so could I fit this: http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/b...o_9n_14_tdi.php and still keep my tuning #resistor' mod box? Thanks

13-08-2005, 15:57	#16
jtstatic Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 129 Members Car: VW Polo 1.4 TDI Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Generally it's not a good idea to run resistor mod/tuning box with a chip.. I suggest you check for example www.tdiclub.com for some basic TDI tuning principle first, then come back with more questions http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-6.html There you can also find instructions for making a bleed if you like, better check the instructions apply for the 1.4 tdi engine also, I haven't yet looked into this.. Last edited by jtstatic; 13-08-2005 at 15:59.

13-08-2005, 16:04	#17
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13-08-2005, 16:47	#18
jtstatic Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 129 Members Car: VW Polo 1.4 TDI Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Uses the same driveshafts also _IF_ I remember correctly.. clutch/transmission is different though.. The 1.4 shares more parts with the 1.9 engine than you'd first think. You can get PD100 like performance easily so it's a good budget solution if you're not hoping much more power than that..

15-08-2005, 22:44	#19
galv Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 121 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tunning boxes only "Bend" signals from the sensors to the ECU, they are not a patch on a proper re-map. Custom Code (Phase 1) gives 105-110bhp and 175-180 ft-lb of torque __________________ The Derv Doctor LTD

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