128 bhp max from pd100

striker · 06-10-2005, 21:08

Hi all,
Just got back from a long trip down to Jabbasport, was expecting to get 150 bhp with a remap and green filter and pd160 intake mods.
They tried hard to improve it but for some reason the dyno guy (Mike) could not get any more power. He was almost sure that the injectors were on their limit.This is the first time he has had this problem and is looking into it. every other pd100 he has ever done has made a good 145+ bhp.
Am I unlucky or what?
The car is an 05 elegance estate, and they think the injectors may now be downsized on these later models, but mine is the first one they have come across!
Driving the car back, to be honest, felt fantastic and I wonder what I am missing out on not having the extra power.
Mike is looking into the problem as obviously he will come across it more in the future and if he comes up with a solution I can trek back down and get mine redone.
Jabba were very proffessional about it all and if I do go back down if and when a solution is available I will not be out of pocket.
In the mean time if anybody else has any ideas I would welcome them, Oh yes the car was making 108 bhp with the standard map and filter and intake mods.So my overall gain is 20 bhp. Although it felt a lot more driving it home.
Paul (gutted).

devonutopia · 06-10-2005, 21:14

Hope Skoda haven't introduced something a little sneaky on newer models?!

Anyone had an 05 vRS done yet? My PD100 engine was putting out 154bhp on jabba's rollers at one point, with just green filter & decatted exhaust - Was 151 after the over-fuelling issue was sorted out.

SkodiRS · 06-10-2005, 21:45

On some 04 models the ECU, Jabba couldn't OBD remap...had to change EEPROM and map the tradtional way.

Problem solve now though.

devonutopia · 06-10-2005, 21:46

Guess I'd better make Mike aware that my car is a "2004 / 04" model.

SkodiRS · 06-10-2005, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonutopia

Guess I'd better make Mike aware that my car is a "2004 / 04" model.

ECU will have an LA suffix however, the problem is solved now and OBD mapping is ok.

Not that it would have been a problem for mapping your motor.

devonutopia · 06-10-2005, 21:53

Well, I still remember when Furby Mk1 was remapped for the first time and Graeme went to have his done the next day and I went to watch, and he had to abort his, maybe due to the same above problem.

Came good in the end though.

I've emailed Carole as it looks like I'm up in the E.Midlands during the last weekend of this month anyway.

Should be running at optimal power sooner than I first envisaged.

chowy · 06-10-2005, 22:01

Hi Paul

Glad you got home OK. I did speak to Mike after you left and he was gutted for you too and felt pretty bad about it! I'm sure Jabba will find a solution to your problem soon!
At least you still got some good torque figures for now and I'm sure it's still a match for a std. vRS

Sorry if I was blabbering on about how chuffed you would be after your remap but I was just suprised how well mine went and was shocked at getting 193 bhp and 423 NM torque from mine! Not trying to rub it in Paul, honest!

striker · 06-10-2005, 22:14

Hi chowy,
How did yours run on the way home?
Mine did feel quite good.In gear accelleration in fith from middle of the rev range is excellent, I cant help but wonder how much better it could be though!
Still I have time and patience so we will see what happens in the future, I am sure this problem will arise again and as always they will be a way around it (I hope).
Paul.

chowy · 07-10-2005, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by striker

Hi chowy,
How did yours run on the way home?

Fantastic trip home! Night and day difference with the remap! Best £400 I've spent along with the best £230 for Eibachs!!

Problem is that no other additions to the car will improve it to any great level now IMO!

SkodiRS · 07-10-2005, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonutopia

I've emailed Carole as it looks like I'm up in the E.Midlands during the last weekend of this month anyway.

I may see you there then...perhaps.

devonutopia · 07-10-2005, 13:03

Maybe.

If you're reading this Carole, You have mail.

Stuart_J · 07-10-2005, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkodiRS

I may see you there then...perhaps.

Adrian, If our dates coincide any chance of a lift up, Im leaving my car there for a few days so they can sort out a few things. Looks like a mini meet coming up !!

WrightyRS · 07-10-2005, 13:39

Sorry guys thread hi-jack here,

Chowy i see that you've had an E46 M3,
how did you find it?
what made you sell it?

thanks in advance

chowy · 07-10-2005, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by WrightyRS

Sorry guys thread hi-jack here,

Chowy i see that you've had an E46 M3,
how did you find it?
what made you sell it?

thanks in advance

Fantastic!!!

Divorce pending

johnyardley · 07-10-2005, 14:44

Hi,
It's good to some other pd100 owners here !!
Iam going for my 2nd remap at Allard's on the 17/10 after stage 2 mods:

550 pd130 injectors
vnt17 pd130 turbo
Cone K & N filter
Decat Exhaust
Blanked egr

Stage 1
FMIC
Remap

striker · 07-10-2005, 14:56

Hi
Do you know if the injectors on the pd100 have changed recently?
I noticed you have fitted the pd130 injectors so you must be seeking considerably more power than I was.
However all other pd100 injectors jabba have seen were good for 140bhp plus.
Have they put smaller injectors on the latest 05 models?
Micheal was not sure of this but could not offer any other explanation for the lower power figures. If we knew the injectors have not been downsized then we could start looking elsewhere.
hope someone can help.
Paul.

EddyH · 07-10-2005, 14:59

One place to look is ETOS/ETKA and compare the part no.s for PD100 injectors.

striker · 07-10-2005, 15:01

Eddy where are these?
thanks,
Paul.

SkodiRS · 07-10-2005, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by striker

Eddy where are these?
thanks,
Paul.

If you ask Denis...DGW...nicely, he may do it for you.

ScoobyChris · 07-10-2005, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by striker

Eddy where are these?
thanks,
Paul.

Posted in the thread in Ask A Tech too, but try here

Chris

lisburn · 07-10-2005, 15:10

all PD 100 have the same injectors just checked

striker · 07-10-2005, 15:12

Hi lisburn
how did you check?
thanks,
Paul.

EddyH · 07-10-2005, 15:27

Prehaps a fuel pump related issue then if it's not the injector size.

devonutopia · 07-10-2005, 15:30

Beginning to sound more and more like a fault with an element of the fuelling system than anything to do with restrictive elements of a generation of parts used on MY05 PD100s.

Wonder if any fault codes exist on the ECU.

EddyH · 07-10-2005, 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonutopia

Beginning to sound more and more like a fault with an element of the fuelling system than anything to do with restrictive elements of a generation of parts used on MY05 PD100s.

Wonder if any fault codes exist on the ECU.

I'm certain that Mike would have checked the ECU for fault codes.

The fuel pump problem on my 4x4 didn't log any fault codes.

06-10-2005, 21:08	#1
striker Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north east uk Posts: 54 Members Car: Civic type r Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	128 bhp max from pd100 Hi all, Just got back from a long trip down to Jabbasport, was expecting to get 150 bhp with a remap and green filter and pd160 intake mods. They tried hard to improve it but for some reason the dyno guy (Mike) could not get any more power. He was almost sure that the injectors were on their limit.This is the first time he has had this problem and is looking into it. every other pd100 he has ever done has made a good 145+ bhp. Am I unlucky or what? The car is an 05 elegance estate, and they think the injectors may now be downsized on these later models, but mine is the first one they have come across! Driving the car back, to be honest, felt fantastic and I wonder what I am missing out on not having the extra power. Mike is looking into the problem as obviously he will come across it more in the future and if he comes up with a solution I can trek back down and get mine redone. Jabba were very proffessional about it all and if I do go back down if and when a solution is available I will not be out of pocket. In the mean time if anybody else has any ideas I would welcome them, Oh yes the car was making 108 bhp with the standard map and filter and intake mods.So my overall gain is 20 bhp. Although it felt a lot more driving it home. Paul (gutted). Last edited by striker; 06-10-2005 at 21:25.

06-10-2005, 21:14	#2
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,490 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 79 Thanked 381 Times in 322 Posts	Hope Skoda haven't introduced something a little sneaky on newer models?! Anyone had an 05 vRS done yet? My PD100 engine was putting out 154bhp on jabba's rollers at one point, with just green filter & decatted exhaust - Was 151 after the over-fuelling issue was sorted out. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. BRISKODA CLUBSTAND @ Castle Combe! 25/04/09! Track session too! Click me! See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

06-10-2005, 21:45	#3
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	On some 04 models the ECU, Jabba couldn't OBD remap...had to change EEPROM and map the tradtional way. Problem solve now though. __________________ Adrian.

06-10-2005, 21:46	#4
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,490 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 79 Thanked 381 Times in 322 Posts	Guess I'd better make Mike aware that my car is a "2004 / 04" model. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. BRISKODA CLUBSTAND @ Castle Combe! 25/04/09! Track session too! Click me! See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

06-10-2005, 21:53	#6
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,490 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 79 Thanked 381 Times in 322 Posts	Well, I still remember when Furby Mk1 was remapped for the first time and Graeme went to have his done the next day and I went to watch, and he had to abort his, maybe due to the same above problem. Came good in the end though. I've emailed Carole as it looks like I'm up in the E.Midlands during the last weekend of this month anyway. Should be running at optimal power sooner than I first envisaged. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. BRISKODA CLUBSTAND @ Castle Combe! 25/04/09! Track session too! Click me! See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

06-10-2005, 22:01	#7
chowy Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north east uk Posts: 763 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Hi Paul Glad you got home OK. I did speak to Mike after you left and he was gutted for you too and felt pretty bad about it! I'm sure Jabba will find a solution to your problem soon! At least you still got some good torque figures for now and I'm sure it's still a match for a std. vRS Sorry if I was blabbering on about how chuffed you would be after your remap but I was just suprised how well mine went and was shocked at getting 193 bhp and 423 NM torque from mine! Not trying to rub it in Paul, honest! __________________ Present: BMW 130i M Sport 2007 \| Titanium Silver (No need to use indicators no more ) Sadly gone: Skoda Fabia vRS 2005 \| Black Magic (for pleasure) Present: Skoda Octavia Ambiente 1.9 Tdi 2005 \| Diamond Silver (for work) Last edited by chowy; 06-10-2005 at 22:05.

06-10-2005, 22:14	#8
striker Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north east uk Posts: 54 Members Car: Civic type r Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi chowy, How did yours run on the way home? Mine did feel quite good.In gear accelleration in fith from middle of the rev range is excellent, I cant help but wonder how much better it could be though! Still I have time and patience so we will see what happens in the future, I am sure this problem will arise again and as always they will be a way around it (I hope). Paul.

07-10-2005, 13:03	#11
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,490 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 79 Thanked 381 Times in 322 Posts	Maybe. If you're reading this Carole, You have mail. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. BRISKODA CLUBSTAND @ Castle Combe! 25/04/09! Track session too! Click me! See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

07-10-2005, 13:39	#13
WrightyRS 200 laps....... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Essex Posts: 2,373 Members Car: Octavia vRS,Renault Clio Trophy 237/500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Sorry guys thread hi-jack here, Chowy i see that you've had an E46 M3, how did you find it? what made you sell it? thanks in advance __________________ Alex

07-10-2005, 14:44	#15
johnyardley Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 439 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi, It's good to some other pd100 owners here !! Iam going for my 2nd remap at Allard's on the 17/10 after stage 2 mods: 550 pd130 injectors vnt17 pd130 turbo Cone K & N filter Decat Exhaust Blanked egr Stage 1 FMIC Remap

07-10-2005, 14:56	#16
striker Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north east uk Posts: 54 Members Car: Civic type r Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Do you know if the injectors on the pd100 have changed recently? I noticed you have fitted the pd130 injectors so you must be seeking considerably more power than I was. However all other pd100 injectors jabba have seen were good for 140bhp plus. Have they put smaller injectors on the latest 05 models? Micheal was not sure of this but could not offer any other explanation for the lower power figures. If we knew the injectors have not been downsized then we could start looking elsewhere. hope someone can help. Paul.

07-10-2005, 14:59	#17
EddyH Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 4,839 Members Car: Audi A6 Thanks: 36 Thanked 26 Times in 26 Posts	One place to look is ETOS/ETKA and compare the part no.s for PD100 injectors. __________________ EddyH Audi A6 Avant 2.7 TDI Audi A3 2.0 TDI Sport

07-10-2005, 15:01	#18
striker Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north east uk Posts: 54 Members Car: Civic type r Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Eddy where are these? thanks, Paul.

07-10-2005, 15:10	#21
lisburn Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NI Posts: 82 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	all PD 100 have the same injectors just checked __________________ SACHS CLUTCH , QUAIFE ATB , CUSTOM CODE PHASE 2 STONEY

07-10-2005, 15:12	#22
striker Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north east uk Posts: 54 Members Car: Civic type r Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi lisburn how did you check? thanks, Paul. Last edited by striker; 07-10-2005 at 15:22.

07-10-2005, 15:27	#23
EddyH Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 4,839 Members Car: Audi A6 Thanks: 36 Thanked 26 Times in 26 Posts	Prehaps a fuel pump related issue then if it's not the injector size. __________________ EddyH Audi A6 Avant 2.7 TDI Audi A3 2.0 TDI Sport

07-10-2005, 15:30	#24
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,490 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 79 Thanked 381 Times in 322 Posts	Beginning to sound more and more like a fault with an element of the fuelling system than anything to do with restrictive elements of a generation of parts used on MY05 PD100s. Wonder if any fault codes exist on the ECU. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. BRISKODA CLUBSTAND @ Castle Combe! 25/04/09! Track session too! Click me! See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

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