200 BHP+ without heavy mods :)

HellFire · 16-07-2005, 21:14

Took a trip with a few people from fordmondeo.org today to Top Gear Performance in Doncaster, my car went on 2nd, ambient temp at the time was 18.5 degrees, and my car recorded what can only be called the most outrageous bhp and torque figure for a car with just a remap.

203.7 BHP
319.6 LB/FT OF TORQUE

I know this is probably down to inaccurate RR's and the JBS RR would no doubt set things straight but I was still impressed to see that my pikey mods & 10k more miles seem to have free'd up just over 10 bhp over the Jabba RR and 18 lb/ft torque.

HellFire · 16-07-2005, 21:18

Oh sorry just to add we had to pay another £5'er for a printout, which I didn't have on me so sorry no graph today, I do have a poor quality 3gp mobile video of it however but it doesnt do it much justice...

ScoobyChris · 16-07-2005, 21:40

So what was the highest Mondy output

Chris

rmauk123 · 16-07-2005, 22:45

Thats awesome mate - you must be well chuffed!

Congrats.

What other mods do you have? Surely can't be only a remap?

GaryM · 16-07-2005, 23:46

More than a remap - a very inaccurate RR.
Im sure HellFire knows that though, still nice figures all the same.

DAZ · 17-07-2005, 09:59

You say you know that its not accurate, then you say your impressed how pikey mods and 10k more miles have free up 10bhp and 18 lb/ft torque. They haven't though...

No offensce but your car is probably putting out 180-184 bhp... So you've not gained anything over Jabba's unrealistic RR, you've just been on an even less accurate RR

bengie · 17-07-2005, 10:10

personally doubt its even putting out 180bhp but thats just my opinion. you need to go to an independant well established place that has nothing to prove.

***Neo_VR*** · 17-07-2005, 10:20

Now now people..

Hellfire did state in the first post that he knows its probably an inaccurate RR, so no need to start dissing the car.

im also interested to know what the highest mundano output was

WW_VRS · 17-07-2005, 12:15

The extra vents will help more in real life than on the RR anyway, I suppose. Not gonna increase power, just keep power for longer as ECU doesnt drop boost as soon.

Either way, I was just wondering if on this particular RR you get extra points for laying down more of a smoke screen

Somehow I have a feeling Hellfire wasnt claiming genuine bhp figures

- his car will still be putting out more bhp than mine by a long shot though as mine's standard

GaryM · 17-07-2005, 12:36

I dont think the ECU drops boost, just pulls timing due to excessive heat.

HellFire · 17-07-2005, 13:20

Yes, im aware the RR was no doubt inaccurate as previously mentioned, the Mondeo put out 170 bhp with the dragon tuning box on.

Sorry if my post wasnt clear when referring it to the Jabba RR, I meant it in a sarcastic way

.

Mods: Green Filter, Cupra Intake, Pikey Mod 1 & 2 and Remap.

bengie · 17-07-2005, 13:27

not dissing the car here by the way, just agree'd that 200bhp was a tad optimisstic

***Neo_VR*** · 17-07-2005, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryM

I dont think the ECU drops boost, just pulls timing due to excessive heat.

IIRC it does drops boost on the TDI's as there is no "timing" as such.

a decent RR wouldnt run long enough to let the temps get so high, but colder air is better.. as usual

GaryM · 17-07-2005, 13:37

I stand corrected

HellFire · 17-07-2005, 14:15

I will still quote if I even went to a meet that my car was only pushing 170 bhp as I wouldnt want to look an idiot if it went on an accurate RR. Also, with that much power in both bhp/torque I should be able to keep up with and possibly pass standard WRX Impreza from a rolling start in a straight line drag (power to weight ratio) which I can't (not STi).

bengie · 17-07-2005, 14:22

what you need to remember with things like the imprezza is although there isn't a massive difference in peak power the overall or average power of the imprezza will be better

HellFire · 17-07-2005, 14:30

Not wanting to start a debate but you got a generalisation of what I meant...

Jobo · 17-07-2005, 21:27

Why, when someone mentions a rolling road and there readout figures on here, does there always seem to be someone who immediately jumps into the convo to doubt the readouts straight away!!

Yeh we all know that some rolling roads read differently than others(inaccurate supposidly) but if they have a calibration certificate then there shouldt be a problem surely?

How do we know if ANY of them are truely 100% accurate!?

bengie · 17-07-2005, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jobo

Why, when someone mentions a rolling road and there readout figures on here, does there always seem to be someone who immediately jumps into the convo to doubt the readouts straight away!!

Yeh we all know that some rolling roads read differently than others(inaccurate supposidly) but if they have a calibration certificate then there shouldt be a problem surely?

How do we know if ANY of them are truely 100% accurate!?

before jumping two feet first onto the "fabia defence bandwagon" try taking a step back and actually reading the thread and looking at the figures produced by the company with the rollng road. do you not find it odd that most other people come up with figures between 165bhp and about 180bhp reliable then all of a suddern one company says its 200bhp+

does it not seem a bit odd to you?

mcbunny · 17-07-2005, 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jobo

Why, when someone mentions a rolling road and there readout figures on here, does there always seem to be someone who immediately jumps into the convo to doubt the readouts straight away!!

Yeh we all know that some rolling roads read differently than others(inaccurate supposidly) but if they have a calibration certificate then there shouldt be a problem surely?

How do we know if ANY of them are truely 100% accurate!?

no rr is accurate end of

bengie · 17-07-2005, 22:40

and the only figures that are possible to be accurate are wheel figures. only way tog et an accurate fly figure is taking the engine out

mcbunny · 18-07-2005, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

and the only figures that are possible to be accurate are wheel figures. only way tog et an accurate fly figure is taking the engine out

bingo

altho wheel figures change with the amount of air in the tyres lol

Mil · 18-07-2005, 07:12

Could it not be possible that this remap was extensive? I mean surely not all remaps are the same and it isn't like you push a button and 'bam!' you got yourself 180bhp right?

WW_VRS · 18-07-2005, 07:33

Urm - actually pretty much it is

bengie · 18-07-2005, 09:48

but mil if one tuner can get 200+bhp and all the rest are 20bhp behind then why would anyone go to the other tuners?

16-07-2005, 21:14	#1
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	200 BHP+ without heavy mods :) Took a trip with a few people from fordmondeo.org today to Top Gear Performance in Doncaster, my car went on 2nd, ambient temp at the time was 18.5 degrees, and my car recorded what can only be called the most outrageous bhp and torque figure for a car with just a remap. 203.7 BHP 319.6 LB/FT OF TORQUE I know this is probably down to inaccurate RR's and the JBS RR would no doubt set things straight but I was still impressed to see that my pikey mods & 10k more miles seem to have free'd up just over 10 bhp over the Jabba RR and 18 lb/ft torque. __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

16-07-2005, 21:18	#2
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Oh sorry just to add we had to pay another £5'er for a printout, which I didn't have on me so sorry no graph today, I do have a poor quality 3gp mobile video of it however but it doesnt do it much justice... __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

16-07-2005, 21:40	#3
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,267 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 16 Thanked 353 Times in 304 Posts	So what was the highest Mondy output Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

16-07-2005, 23:46	#5
GaryM Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nr Manchester Posts: 330 Members Car: 53 VW Golf GTI 1.8T 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More than a remap - a very inaccurate RR. Im sure HellFire knows that though, still nice figures all the same. __________________

17-07-2005, 10:10	#7
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,425 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 18 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts	personally doubt its even putting out 180bhp but thats just my opinion. you need to go to an independant well established place that has nothing to prove. __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

16-07-2005, 22:45	#4
rmauk123 Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: West Mids Posts: 11 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thats awesome mate - you must be well chuffed! Congrats. What other mods do you have? Surely can't be only a remap?

17-07-2005, 09:59	#6
DAZ Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 308 Members Car: dont own one - just a push bike! Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You say you know that its not accurate, then you say your impressed how pikey mods and 10k more miles have free up 10bhp and 18 lb/ft torque. They haven't though... No offensce but your car is probably putting out 180-184 bhp... So you've not gained anything over Jabba's unrealistic RR, you've just been on an even less accurate RR

17-07-2005, 10:20	#8
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,615 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 85 Thanked 183 Times in 131 Posts	Now now people.. Hellfire did state in the first post that he knows its probably an inaccurate RR, so no need to start dissing the car. im also interested to know what the highest mundano output was __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

17-07-2005, 12:15	#9
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,962 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 48 Thanked 92 Times in 82 Posts	The extra vents will help more in real life than on the RR anyway, I suppose. Not gonna increase power, just keep power for longer as ECU doesnt drop boost as soon. Either way, I was just wondering if on this particular RR you get extra points for laying down more of a smoke screen Somehow I have a feeling Hellfire wasnt claiming genuine bhp figures - his car will still be putting out more bhp than mine by a long shot though as mine's standard __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

17-07-2005, 12:36	#10
GaryM Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nr Manchester Posts: 330 Members Car: 53 VW Golf GTI 1.8T 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I dont think the ECU drops boost, just pulls timing due to excessive heat. __________________

17-07-2005, 13:20	#11
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Yes, im aware the RR was no doubt inaccurate as previously mentioned, the Mondeo put out 170 bhp with the dragon tuning box on. Sorry if my post wasnt clear when referring it to the Jabba RR, I meant it in a sarcastic way . Mods: Green Filter, Cupra Intake, Pikey Mod 1 & 2 and Remap. __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi Last edited by HellFire; 17-07-2005 at 13:28.

17-07-2005, 13:27	#12
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,425 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 18 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts	not dissing the car here by the way, just agree'd that 200bhp was a tad optimisstic __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

17-07-2005, 13:37	#14
GaryM Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nr Manchester Posts: 330 Members Car: 53 VW Golf GTI 1.8T 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I stand corrected __________________

17-07-2005, 14:15	#15
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I will still quote if I even went to a meet that my car was only pushing 170 bhp as I wouldnt want to look an idiot if it went on an accurate RR. Also, with that much power in both bhp/torque I should be able to keep up with and possibly pass standard WRX Impreza from a rolling start in a straight line drag (power to weight ratio) which I can't (not STi). __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

17-07-2005, 14:22	#16
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,425 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 18 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts	what you need to remember with things like the imprezza is although there isn't a massive difference in peak power the overall or average power of the imprezza will be better __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

17-07-2005, 14:30	#17
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Not wanting to start a debate but you got a generalisation of what I meant... __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

17-07-2005, 21:27	#18
Jobo Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Posts: 131 Members Car: Black Magic Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why, when someone mentions a rolling road and there readout figures on here, does there always seem to be someone who immediately jumps into the convo to doubt the readouts straight away!! Yeh we all know that some rolling roads read differently than others(inaccurate supposidly) but if they have a calibration certificate then there shouldt be a problem surely? How do we know if ANY of them are truely 100% accurate!? __________________ Old car :- 2005 Black Magic Fabia vRS - Eibachs,Star Performance Re-map New Car :- Renaultsport Clio 182 c/w Cup suspension pack and Cup spoiler pack

17-07-2005, 22:40	#21
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,425 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 18 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts	and the only figures that are possible to be accurate are wheel figures. only way tog et an accurate fly figure is taking the engine out __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

18-07-2005, 07:12	#23
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,807 Members Car: Weichers strut, K&N panel filter, GT bodykit, GT tailpipe, Falken tyres Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Could it not be possible that this remap was extensive? I mean surely not all remaps are the same and it isn't like you push a button and 'bam!' you got yourself 180bhp right? __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government

18-07-2005, 07:33	#24
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,962 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 48 Thanked 92 Times in 82 Posts	Urm - actually pretty much it is __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

18-07-2005, 09:48	#25
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,425 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 18 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts	but mil if one tuner can get 200+bhp and all the rest are 20bhp behind then why would anyone go to the other tuners? __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

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