Brakes

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 20:41

Hi Guys,

Quick Question,

My Fabia has had exceptionaly spongy brakes since I Have had the car, and I Have complained to this to the dealer several times and they responed by cleaning out the rear drums. That Didn't really have an effect so They looked at it again and Put it on an MOT Brake Tester and found it to be within the law. Now The Car Does Stop, and It Can Stop Till The wheels lock, but the pedal is so mashy and the brakes have absolutley no feel at all and there is alot of pedal travel. So With the dealer not willing to do anything (even though it's under warranty) Can The Brake System be retrofitted with rear disks from the Elegance or vRS? Or Can anything else be done to get that "Stop on a postage Stamp" Feel?

Thanks

WW_VRS · 24-10-2005, 20:44

Brake fluid changed?

As for swapping the whole braking system over, that's more of a tech question then I'd be happy to answer, but pretty sure the hubs are different

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 20:45

Well The Car would have gone through an so many point check before being sold and the dealer presumably would have checked this, but the Brake Fluid level sticker on the Battery cover has never been filled out!

Lummox · 24-10-2005, 20:46

There shouldnt be any reason why you cant get a great pedal with drum brakes on the rear.

Does the pedal pump up at all and feel better afterwards?
Does pulling the handbrake up improve the feeling of the pedal?
How much handbrake travel do you have?

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 20:49

No The Pedal is constantly mushy and seems to need be pressed harder to maintain a level of braking if you know what i mean, I Havent tested it with the handbrake, but it has a fair bit of travel (And The Button does not pop out by itself!)

andy ellis · 24-10-2005, 20:54

Ill be honest the difference between the 2 disk and 4 disk system is HUGE imho. When I was running stock disks and ebc greenstuff on both motors I was always underbraking in the 2 disk car! Has to be said though fitting greenstuff was a big improvement over stock. The pedal travel is also much more in the 2 disk car.....

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 20:59

Yeah We Had a Courtesy car with all round disks and it was miles better, which is why I Asked about retrofitting them, I Am Willing to fork out a little for that extra confidence, it's so important to me especially as Im Learning to drive.

andy ellis · 24-10-2005, 21:12

Lummox would be able to give you an answer on the conversion, personally though to start with maybe get the pads change for ebc greenstuff (ds2500 will eat the standard disks iirc) or better yet get a complete black diamond set up on the front.

Hope the lessons go will if you down Croydon way give us a bell and i will do your pass plus!

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 21:21

What is this greenstuff? is It like Paint that goes on them? and Where could I Find someone in the luton area willing to do it, or would a dealership do it?

Lummox · 24-10-2005, 21:23

Either way the pedal shouldnt feel like mush.

If the rear brakes are adjusted correctly you should have four to five clicks on the handbrake (although this isnt full proof as the cable can be adjusted up).

andy ellis · 24-10-2005, 21:25

http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Automotive.htmlscroll down to the greenstuff section

http://www.ebc-brakes.co.uk/ get out of shop and goto products and then ebc and then greenstuff.

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 21:28

Okay, so If I But this stuff (Which Im Very Willing to do) Who Would fit them for me could the dealer do it?, All I Know about car mechanics could be written on a Knats Thigh!

andy ellis · 24-10-2005, 21:29

Know what you mean Ross but there is definately more play on the 2 disk set up....

Lummox · 24-10-2005, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy ellis

Know what you mean Ross but there is definately more play on the 2 disk set up....

Agreed (oddly enough I have driven both

) But alot of it sometimes is down to poor adjustment or problems. What I dont want someone to do it spend a load of cash on parts when there maybe a simple underlying problem that can be rectified thats all.

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 21:34

Hmmm, I Could Chase the dealer up again, but I Dont want to push them too far!

andy ellis · 24-10-2005, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

Agreed (oddly enough I have driven both

) But alot of it sometimes is down to poor adjustment or problems. What I dont want someone to do it spend a load of cash on parts when there maybe a simple underlying problem that can be rectified thats all.

Have to agree bud whait needs is to be driven by someone with a 2disk set up......

Lummox · 24-10-2005, 21:35

Where abouts are you?

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 22:12

Me? Luton

Lummox · 24-10-2005, 22:25

Did you take it into a Skoda dealer, if so was it Pillings?

skodayouth · 24-10-2005, 22:40

No WJH in Bedford

24-10-2005, 20:41	#1
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Brakes Hi Guys, Quick Question, My Fabia has had exceptionaly spongy brakes since I Have had the car, and I Have complained to this to the dealer several times and they responed by cleaning out the rear drums. That Didn't really have an effect so They looked at it again and Put it on an MOT Brake Tester and found it to be within the law. Now The Car Does Stop, and It Can Stop Till The wheels lock, but the pedal is so mashy and the brakes have absolutley no feel at all and there is alot of pedal travel. So With the dealer not willing to do anything (even though it's under warranty) Can The Brake System be retrofitted with rear disks from the Elegance or vRS? Or Can anything else be done to get that "Stop on a postage Stamp" Feel? Thanks __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

24-10-2005, 20:44	#2
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,684 Thanks: 43 Thanked 67 Times in 58 Posts	Brake fluid changed? As for swapping the whole braking system over, that's more of a tech question then I'd be happy to answer, but pretty sure the hubs are different __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Fabia vRS alloys for sale incl tyres, spare wheel with tyre + spare tyre - make me an offer via PM

24-10-2005, 20:45	#3
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Well The Car would have gone through an so many point check before being sold and the dealer presumably would have checked this, but the Brake Fluid level sticker on the Battery cover has never been filled out! __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

24-10-2005, 20:46	#4
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,160 Thanks: 18 Thanked 538 Times in 470 Posts	There shouldnt be any reason why you cant get a great pedal with drum brakes on the rear. Does the pedal pump up at all and feel better afterwards? Does pulling the handbrake up improve the feeling of the pedal? How much handbrake travel do you have? __________________ MK2 Golf GTi - APX 225bhp 1.8T - Emerald K3 - Quaife ATB - VR6 Widetrack - VR6 brakes front and rear - Neuspeed ARBs - Speedline alloys - H+R coilovers - Powerflex bushes - Helix clutch G60 flywheel - Adjustable solid top mounts - Custom engine bay - Tornado Motorsport MSA cage - and lots lots more.

24-10-2005, 20:49	#5
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	No The Pedal is constantly mushy and seems to need be pressed harder to maintain a level of braking if you know what i mean, I Havent tested it with the handbrake, but it has a fair bit of travel (And The Button does not pop out by itself!) __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

24-10-2005, 20:54	#6
andy ellis Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,289 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ill be honest the difference between the 2 disk and 4 disk system is HUGE imho. When I was running stock disks and ebc greenstuff on both motors I was always underbraking in the 2 disk car! Has to be said though fitting greenstuff was a big improvement over stock. The pedal travel is also much more in the 2 disk car..... __________________ Fabia TDI PD100 "Q" and driving school car. Citroen C4 Coupe 1.6hDi+EGS with disability adaptations.

24-10-2005, 20:59	#7
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Yeah We Had a Courtesy car with all round disks and it was miles better, which is why I Asked about retrofitting them, I Am Willing to fork out a little for that extra confidence, it's so important to me especially as Im Learning to drive. __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

24-10-2005, 21:12	#8
andy ellis Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,289 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Lummox would be able to give you an answer on the conversion, personally though to start with maybe get the pads change for ebc greenstuff (ds2500 will eat the standard disks iirc) or better yet get a complete black diamond set up on the front. Hope the lessons go will if you down Croydon way give us a bell and i will do your pass plus! __________________ Fabia TDI PD100 "Q" and driving school car. Citroen C4 Coupe 1.6hDi+EGS with disability adaptations.

24-10-2005, 21:21	#9
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	What is this greenstuff? is It like Paint that goes on them? and Where could I Find someone in the luton area willing to do it, or would a dealership do it? __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

24-10-2005, 21:23	#10
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,160 Thanks: 18 Thanked 538 Times in 470 Posts	Either way the pedal shouldnt feel like mush. If the rear brakes are adjusted correctly you should have four to five clicks on the handbrake (although this isnt full proof as the cable can be adjusted up). __________________ MK2 Golf GTi - APX 225bhp 1.8T - Emerald K3 - Quaife ATB - VR6 Widetrack - VR6 brakes front and rear - Neuspeed ARBs - Speedline alloys - H+R coilovers - Powerflex bushes - Helix clutch G60 flywheel - Adjustable solid top mounts - Custom engine bay - Tornado Motorsport MSA cage - and lots lots more.

24-10-2005, 21:25	#11
andy ellis Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,289 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Automotive.htmlscroll down to the greenstuff section http://www.ebc-brakes.co.uk/ get out of shop and goto products and then ebc and then greenstuff. __________________ Fabia TDI PD100 "Q" and driving school car. Citroen C4 Coupe 1.6hDi+EGS with disability adaptations. Last edited by andy ellis; 24-10-2005 at 21:27.

24-10-2005, 21:28	#12
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Okay, so If I But this stuff (Which Im Very Willing to do) Who Would fit them for me could the dealer do it?, All I Know about car mechanics could be written on a Knats Thigh! __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

24-10-2005, 21:29	#13
andy ellis Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,289 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Know what you mean Ross but there is definately more play on the 2 disk set up.... __________________ Fabia TDI PD100 "Q" and driving school car. Citroen C4 Coupe 1.6hDi+EGS with disability adaptations.

24-10-2005, 21:34	#15
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Hmmm, I Could Chase the dealer up again, but I Dont want to push them too far! __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

24-10-2005, 21:35	#17
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,160 Thanks: 18 Thanked 538 Times in 470 Posts	Where abouts are you? __________________ MK2 Golf GTi - APX 225bhp 1.8T - Emerald K3 - Quaife ATB - VR6 Widetrack - VR6 brakes front and rear - Neuspeed ARBs - Speedline alloys - H+R coilovers - Powerflex bushes - Helix clutch G60 flywheel - Adjustable solid top mounts - Custom engine bay - Tornado Motorsport MSA cage - and lots lots more.

24-10-2005, 22:12	#18
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Me? Luton __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

24-10-2005, 22:25	#19
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,160 Thanks: 18 Thanked 538 Times in 470 Posts	Did you take it into a Skoda dealer, if so was it Pillings? __________________ MK2 Golf GTi - APX 225bhp 1.8T - Emerald K3 - Quaife ATB - VR6 Widetrack - VR6 brakes front and rear - Neuspeed ARBs - Speedline alloys - H+R coilovers - Powerflex bushes - Helix clutch G60 flywheel - Adjustable solid top mounts - Custom engine bay - Tornado Motorsport MSA cage - and lots lots more.

24-10-2005, 22:40	#20
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 748 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	No WJH in Bedford __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

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