Fabia RS: how much reliable power?

faboka vrs · 05-01-2006, 15:39

My bolt went walkies when standard.

Chris GB · 05-01-2006, 23:35

Hi

Interestingly, there appears to be a little confusion between reliability and consumables life. Friction linings are consumables which, if you use them more, will wear out quicker. Increasing torque will either lead to clutch slip and as a result, premature wear or it wont. If the clutch slip does not occur, there is no reason why the clutch should last any less miles than on a standard car apart from driving style. If you use the extra grunt on launches off the line, of course you will shred the clutch early. Same goes for brakes, tyres bushes etc.

Relaibility I would apply to drivetrain components (DMF for example) and engine bits.

Chris

devonutopia · 05-01-2006, 23:39

"Slight oil leak to turbo. "

(quoted from Skoda winter check)

Although given time of inspection this is more likely just residue leftover from caning it around Mallory Park - Never actually lost oil seriously that way.

No other remap only symptoms though - and thats including a good 18 months running a 150bhp PD100.

**TaviaRS** · 06-01-2006, 08:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Well...
make of this what you will... but dont start whinging when things start breaking when youve had it remapped.

this has been a public service announcement.

Comes back to what those of us with nicely modded Octys were saying 2-3 years ago:

If you can't pay, don't play!

Oh and Col, mine is now on 98k (20 months old) - Getting a bit sloppy, but mechanically it's fine. Had a new clutch at 20k and that's it

OK the DM flywheel is FUBAR but other than that I've had to replace nothing

Suppose that's what comes of running a standard SDI

WW_VRS · 06-01-2006, 09:04

Mine is not remapped yet but I'll pretty much treat it the same - if I trash it I let the turbo cool down before switching off, I don't generally trash it when the engine is cold, and it does motorway miles mostly. I do take a backroad for a bit of fun every so often, and that will probably cause the wear & tear esp. on the tyres.

Unless I'm in a particularly bad mood I generally attempt to avoid wheelspin, can't afford to keep buying new rubber (for the car

)

Micky 32 · 06-01-2006, 11:21

i have a 2003 PD 130 golf, same engine as VRS. when i bought it new i revoed it more or less straight away. It now has a hybrid turbo and im pushing 200bhp+. My current mileage is............................. 115k. Had the hybrid turbo fittted at 80k. The engine is the same as it was when new, gearbox etc perfect. The extra power since new gave some clutch slip and it still does and its still original!(i have uprated sachs clutch in a box)

CV joints still fine, even thought the rubbers got torn which is normal for the golf anyway. Replaced front shocks at 100k.
The engine at 115k has not even started to burn oil.

redbaron · 06-01-2006, 11:47

but the Fabia/Ibiza/Polo platform is not quite built to the same std as the mk4/octy/bora there is more of a built to a price element - hence they use a lower spec of pd130 lump etc....

im sure this will have Fabia owners wailing but the supermini segment is very price driven and corners have been cut.

I still think driving style / use will have more of an effect in the long term but it cant be ignored.

Tom_vRS · 06-01-2006, 12:43

Not whining - but lower spec of PD130 lump?

In what way/s?

lozgti · 06-01-2006, 12:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

Not whining - but lower spec of PD130 lump?

In what way/s?

Made in Taiwan

***Neo_VR*** · 06-01-2006, 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbaron

but the Fabia/Ibiza/Polo platform is not quite built to the same std as the mk4/octy/bora there is more of a built to a price element - hence they use a lower spec of pd130 lump etc....

im sure this will have Fabia owners wailing but the supermini segment is very price driven and corners have been cut.

I still think driving style / use will have more of an effect in the long term but it cant be ignored.

Lowerspec engine LOL!

Tom_vRS · 06-01-2006, 13:08

Now I feel like a ****.

I assume you mean PD130 rather than PD150... For a moment I thought you meant the Fabia PD130 version was some how lesser than the Golf PD130...

faboka vrs · 06-01-2006, 13:15

The PD130 inthe fabia platform use a KKK turbo. Golf ones uses a garrett.

Thats all I thought was different

lozgti · 06-01-2006, 13:19

Must admit,I thought whatever was plonked in Audis/VW's was exactly the same as what was dropped in Skoda/Seat.

Hence why they are such good buys

Micky 32 · 06-01-2006, 14:45

well according to etos the internal engine parts of the fabia vrs match that of the Golf PD130, so its basically the same engine

***Neo_VR*** · 06-01-2006, 14:56

the main factor that affects clutch/dmf life is the stupidly long gearing the old-style gearbox had.... 100mph = 2500rpm in top

Chris GB · 06-01-2006, 14:57

Hi

Cost savings from downgrading bits for two otherwise identical engines would in all probability be outweighed by the cost increase of model diversity. Cant see it somehow.

Chris

Micky 32 · 06-01-2006, 15:01

id say its bodywork and plastics used thats cheaper than maybe VW etc, mechanically all the same. What ratio is the gearbox now? The Golf in 6th does 100mph at 2950rpm.

faboka vrs · 06-01-2006, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

the main factor that affects clutch/dmf life is the stupidly long gearing the old-style gearbox had.... 100mph = 2500rpm in top

Noticed how much a difference this made while at awesoem the other day. Shorter box does around 95 in fourth mine done around 110.

Cheekymonkey · 06-01-2006, 19:53

Interesting read... as for reasons for differences in reliablility, I must agree with the driving style point. There's a lot to be said for mechanical sympathy, even when pressing on. By making smooth, progressive inputs, you will lessen the stresses suffered by the car. Having said that, luck also seems to play it's part in the equation...

I've done all the main mods to my car now so I'll be working on the same principal as with my mountain bike - when it breaks, upgrade it.

WW_VRS · 06-01-2006, 21:05

Definitely agree with that. I'm saving up for a new clutch first, before I get the remap done, so I am able to replace it if it goes/when it goes.

05-01-2006, 15:39	#26
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 6,045 Members Car: 2004 Fabia vRS TDI PD130 Thanks: 12 Thanked 46 Times in 46 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power? My bolt went walkies when standard. __________________ John 2004 Skoda Fabia vRS - Xenons - Heated Seats - Cruise Control - Passenger Airbag Deactivation switch - Side Airbags**

05-01-2006, 23:35	#27
Chris GB Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: East UK Posts: 2,588 Members Car: Mini Cooper D Thanks: 18 Thanked 43 Times in 26 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power?** Hi Interestingly, there appears to be a little confusion between reliability and consumables life. Friction linings are consumables which, if you use them more, will wear out quicker. Increasing torque will either lead to clutch slip and as a result, premature wear or it wont. If the clutch slip does not occur, there is no reason why the clutch should last any less miles than on a standard car apart from driving style. If you use the extra grunt on launches off the line, of course you will shred the clutch early. Same goes for brakes, tyres bushes etc. Relaibility I would apply to drivetrain components (DMF for example) and engine bits. Chris __________________ Red Fabia vRS. Gone but not forgotten. Chilli Red / white Mini Cooper Diesel with dual controls. Silver 53 MR2. Mods: PPE 4>1 manifold \| PPE Mangnaflow high flow cat \| Blueflame catback exhaust \| Pikey inlet mod \| 3.0 Racing Chassis stiffening brace kit \| BC Racing fully adjustable coilovers \| TF loud. Details here My MR2 Page

05-01-2006, 23:39	#28
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,081 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 75 Thanked 351 Times in 294 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power? "Slight oil leak to turbo. " (quoted from Skoda winter check) Although given time of inspection this is more likely just residue leftover from caning it around Mallory Park - Never actually lost oil seriously that way. No other remap only symptoms though - and thats including a good 18 months running a 150bhp PD100. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me.** Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

06-01-2006, 09:04	#30
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,863 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power? Mine is not remapped yet but I'll pretty much treat it the same - if I trash it I let the turbo cool down before switching off, I don't generally trash it when the engine is cold, and it does motorway miles mostly. I do take a backroad for a bit of fun every so often, and that will probably cause the wear & tear esp. on the tyres. Unless I'm in a particularly bad mood I generally attempt to avoid wheelspin, can't afford to keep buying new rubber (for the car ) __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive** progress on my car: here

06-01-2006, 11:21	#31
Micky 32 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longford, Ireland Posts: 447 Members Car: Race blue vRS 200bhp Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power?** i have a 2003 PD 130 golf, same engine as VRS. when i bought it new i revoed it more or less straight away. It now has a hybrid turbo and im pushing 200bhp+. My current mileage is............................. 115k. Had the hybrid turbo fittted at 80k. The engine is the same as it was when new, gearbox etc perfect. The extra power since new gave some clutch slip and it still does and its still original!(i have uprated sachs clutch in a box) CV joints still fine, even thought the rubbers got torn which is normal for the golf anyway. Replaced front shocks at 100k. The engine at 115k has not even started to burn oil.

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redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,565 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power?** but the Fabia/Ibiza/Polo platform is not quite built to the same std as the mk4/octy/bora there is more of a built to a price element - hence they use a lower spec of pd130 lump etc.... im sure this will have Fabia owners wailing but the supermini segment is very price driven and corners have been cut. I still think driving style / use will have more of an effect in the long term but it cant be ignored. __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

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Micky 32 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longford, Ireland Posts: 447 Members Car: Race blue vRS 200bhp Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power?** well according to etos the internal engine parts of the fabia vrs match that of the Golf PD130, so its basically the same engine

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*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,476 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 79 Thanked 175 Times in 124 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power? the main factor that affects clutch/dmf life is the stupidly long gearing the old-style gearbox had.... 100mph = 2500rpm in top __________________ ColGod the UberMod** ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

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Chris GB Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: East UK Posts: 2,588 Members Car: Mini Cooper D Thanks: 18 Thanked 43 Times in 26 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power?** Hi Cost savings from downgrading bits for two otherwise identical engines would in all probability be outweighed by the cost increase of model diversity. Cant see it somehow. Chris __________________ Red Fabia vRS. Gone but not forgotten. Chilli Red / white Mini Cooper Diesel with dual controls. Silver 53 MR2. Mods: PPE 4>1 manifold \| PPE Mangnaflow high flow cat \| Blueflame catback exhaust \| Pikey inlet mod \| 3.0 Racing Chassis stiffening brace kit \| BC Racing fully adjustable coilovers \| TF loud. Details here My MR2 Page

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Micky 32 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longford, Ireland Posts: 447 Members Car: Race blue vRS 200bhp Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	*Re: Fabia RS: how much reliable* power?** id say its bodywork and plastics used thats cheaper than maybe VW etc, mechanically all the same. What ratio is the gearbox now? The Golf in 6th does 100mph at 2950rpm.

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