Jabba Rear ARB Owners

Harry_vRS · 09-03-2006, 21:20

Just a quick query for Jabba Rear ARB owners:

T'other day when I driving home from work I was going around a roundabout briskly but not too fast for the conditions (which was sunny but with rain still on the roads) The back end shot out quite suddenly, which resulted in a heart-stopping drift which I managed to control.

This has occured before but as a result of pushing the car too hard for its capabilities.

Basically, I was just curious as to whether or not ARB owners had also experienced this?

Thanks in advice.

devonutopia · 09-03-2006, 21:24

Not yet. Were you lifting off by any chance? I was told the rear end would step out a bit around roundabouts on lift-off.

Harry_vRS · 09-03-2006, 21:27

I did lift off slightly, yes.

devonutopia · 09-03-2006, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrystainer

I did lift off slightly, yes.

Without the rear ARB what would have happened would have been you would have simply drifted out - Thats understeer I think? Rear ARB tightens up the ar5e so when the car is pushed too far its not the front end which will give way first - its the stiffer ar5e.

I'm still not 100% confident throwing my car about so not experienced this yet.... note... yet.....

Harry_vRS · 09-03-2006, 21:36

Thanks Jason.

At the end of the day I think its just my hardcore handling expectations being too high

Cheekymonkey · 09-03-2006, 22:13

With the rear arb fitted, the car will definitely kick it's tail out quite easily - the key to taking a corner at good speed is getting the car balanced using the throttle. If you feel the front end understeering, you just need to lift enough to neutralise the weight distribution of the car... the rear will then follow you round - suprisingly well at that. However, if you lift off sharply or if you are in a lower gear that gives greater engine braking, the back end will kick round pretty quickly - very easy to pull it back in line with the throttle but you need to be aware that this may happen and be prepared for it. With the arb, the car is much more sensitive to throttle input than without it...

I am still slightly wary of heavy braking in a corner with the arb fitted... before it was on the car, heavy braking mid corner would make the car tuck in quite sharply and it is more pronounced now - I just hope the rear brakes are able to balance the car effectively in an emergency situation to stop a spin, however I haven't had any issues with this as yet. Definitely one of the best mods to my car though - much more 'go-cart' like than before...

chowy · 10-03-2006, 00:19

Yes, if close to the limit and you lift, expect some oversteer from the weight transfer. If you decide to dab the brakes mid corner, same result again due to weight transfer.

This usually happens only when approaching or on the limit. If driving slowly, then these symtoms don't exist

jonny boy · 10-03-2006, 00:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowy

Yes, if close to the limit and you lift, expect some oversteer from the weight transfer. If you decide to dab the brakes mid corner, same result again due to weight transfer.

This usually happens only when approaching or on the limit. If driving slowly, then these symtoms don't exist

Are we talking about a Public road and Roundabouts ? On the limit ? Come on guys, there's a place for that.

chris_newell41 · 10-03-2006, 00:57

Do you have ESP fitted?

I think this would have sorted it out maybe?

WW_VRS · 10-03-2006, 01:02

Actually ESP made it rather more interesting in that it really yanked the car back into shape. This was on an empty road and not going particularly fast, just doing a (set of) totally OTT sharp steering movement(s) and the car got pretty aggressive on following my instructions, before it would have slid around a bit, now it just 'did it'. This wasn't on the limit as such but I'm wondering with the Quaife if I'd be better off removing the rear ARB again

***Neo_VR*** · 10-03-2006, 01:05

The Rear ARB rules... simple as that

It will start to drift if you lift off mid corner, but its easy to get back with a dab on the throttle.

point is, the back end will step out if your abrupt on steering and throttle..

Tavia RS had a nice experiment... when his SDI was @ anglesey he was goin round with esp ON... and it didnt trigger because he was driving smoothly.

vindaloo · 10-03-2006, 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrystainer

Thanks Jason.

At the end of the day I think its just my hardcore handling expectations being too high

Could get an upgrade for the front ARB too?

chris_newell41 · 10-03-2006, 01:06

so ESP would have sorted it out then just as it's designed to. Not that it can defy physics but it would have helped .

Glider · 10-03-2006, 09:16

.... and my wife said " we won't bump our heads on that ugly green thing when getting into the car" when i first got my rear ARB

Your now cornering a little quicker and have to find the new limits instead off running wide you can gently correct it.

Col are you testing the rear brace as well.

chris_newell41 · 10-03-2006, 10:11

why would you bump your head on it?

Harry_vRS · 10-03-2006, 11:16

Thanks to all for your comments, much appreciated.

Tom_vRS · 10-03-2006, 12:03

I'll be collecting my ARB at WSM meet, and I am a little concerned. I am quite aware that you need more driving skill to corner quickly near the limit, but tbh I'm not sure I have that skill...

Bring on the next track day for experimenting

09-03-2006, 21:20	#1
Harry_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Posts: 2,053 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk2 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts	Jabba Rear ARB Owners Just a quick query for Jabba Rear ARB owners: T'other day when I driving home from work I was going around a roundabout briskly but not too fast for the conditions (which was sunny but with rain still on the roads) The back end shot out quite suddenly, which resulted in a heart-stopping drift which I managed to control. This has occured before but as a result of pushing the car too hard for its capabilities. Basically, I was just curious as to whether or not ARB owners had also experienced this? Thanks in advice. __________________ \| Silver Octavia v/RS Mk2 \| 18" Alloys \| Dual Zone Climatronic \| Xenons \| \| 273bhp 335lbft \|

09-03-2006, 21:24	#2
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,086 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 75 Thanked 350 Times in 293 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners Not yet. Were you lifting off by any chance? I was told the rear end would step out a bit around roundabouts on lift-off. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

09-03-2006, 21:27	#3
Harry_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Posts: 2,053 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk2 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners I did lift off slightly, yes. __________________ \| Silver Octavia v/RS Mk2 \| 18" Alloys \| Dual Zone Climatronic \| Xenons \| \| 273bhp 335lbft \|

09-03-2006, 21:36	#5
Harry_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Posts: 2,053 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk2 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners Thanks Jason. At the end of the day I think its just my hardcore handling expectations being too high __________________ \| Silver Octavia v/RS Mk2 \| 18" Alloys \| Dual Zone Climatronic \| Xenons \| \| 273bhp 335lbft \|

09-03-2006, 22:13	#6
Cheekymonkey Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Warwick Posts: 425 Members Car: BMW Z4 Coupe Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners With the rear arb fitted, the car will definitely kick it's tail out quite easily - the key to taking a corner at good speed is getting the car balanced using the throttle. If you feel the front end understeering, you just need to lift enough to neutralise the weight distribution of the car... the rear will then follow you round - suprisingly well at that. However, if you lift off sharply or if you are in a lower gear that gives greater engine braking, the back end will kick round pretty quickly - very easy to pull it back in line with the throttle but you need to be aware that this may happen and be prepared for it. With the arb, the car is much more sensitive to throttle input than without it... I am still slightly wary of heavy braking in a corner with the arb fitted... before it was on the car, heavy braking mid corner would make the car tuck in quite sharply and it is more pronounced now - I just hope the rear brakes are able to balance the car effectively in an emergency situation to stop a spin, however I haven't had any issues with this as yet. Definitely one of the best mods to my car though - much more 'go-cart' like than before... __________________ Dave Ex - Fabia VRS Owner Now Z4 Coupe Last edited by Cheekymonkey; 09-03-2006 at 22:16.

10-03-2006, 00:19	#7
chowy Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north east uk Posts: 762 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners Yes, if close to the limit and you lift, expect some oversteer from the weight transfer. If you decide to dab the brakes mid corner, same result again due to weight transfer. This usually happens only when approaching or on the limit. If driving slowly, then these symtoms don't exist __________________ Present: BMW 130i M Sport 2007 \| Titanium Silver (No need to use indicators no more ) Sadly gone: Skoda Fabia vRS 2005 \| Black Magic (for pleasure) Present: Skoda Octavia Ambiente 1.9 Tdi 2005 \| Diamond Silver (for work)

10-03-2006, 00:57	#9
chris_newell41 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,510 Members Car: 2006 Fabia VRS Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners Do you have ESP fitted? I think this would have sorted it out maybe? __________________ Fabia Vrs Blackmagic! Xenons, Cruise Control, Heated Seats and ESP Wednesday 12th may 2006 was my VRS day

10-03-2006, 01:02	#10
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,869 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners Actually ESP made it rather more interesting in that it really yanked the car back into shape. This was on an empty road and not going particularly fast, just doing a (set of) totally OTT sharp steering movement(s) and the car got pretty aggressive on following my instructions, before it would have slid around a bit, now it just 'did it'. This wasn't on the limit as such but I'm wondering with the Quaife if I'd be better off removing the rear ARB again __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

10-03-2006, 01:05	#11
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,458 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 78 Thanked 176 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners The Rear ARB rules... simple as that It will start to drift if you lift off mid corner, but its easy to get back with a dab on the throttle. point is, the back end will step out if your abrupt on steering and throttle.. Tavia RS had a nice experiment... when his SDI was @ anglesey he was goin round with esp ON... and it didnt trigger because he was driving smoothly. __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

10-03-2006, 01:06	#13
chris_newell41 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,510 Members Car: 2006 Fabia VRS Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners so ESP would have sorted it out then just as it's designed to. Not that it can defy physics but it would have helped . __________________ Fabia Vrs Blackmagic! Xenons, Cruise Control, Heated Seats and ESP Wednesday 12th may 2006 was my VRS day

10-03-2006, 09:16	#14
Glider Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 2,432 Members Car: Thanks: 5 Thanked 50 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners .... and my wife said " we won't bump our heads on that ugly green thing when getting into the car" when i first got my rear ARB Your now cornering a little quicker and have to find the new limits instead off running wide you can gently correct it. Col are you testing the rear brace as well.

10-03-2006, 10:11	#15
chris_newell41 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,510 Members Car: 2006 Fabia VRS Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners why would you bump your head on it? __________________ Fabia Vrs Blackmagic! Xenons, Cruise Control, Heated Seats and ESP Wednesday 12th may 2006 was my VRS day

10-03-2006, 11:16	#16
Harry_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Posts: 2,053 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk2 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners Thanks to all for your comments, much appreciated. __________________ \| Silver Octavia v/RS Mk2 \| 18" Alloys \| Dual Zone Climatronic \| Xenons \| \| 273bhp 335lbft \|

10-03-2006, 12:03	#17
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,550 Members Car: '97R BMW 328i Saloon Thanks: 682 Thanked 429 Times in 306 Posts	Re: Jabba Rear ARB Owners I'll be collecting my ARB at WSM meet, and I am a little concerned. I am quite aware that you need more driving skill to corner quickly near the limit, but tbh I'm not sure I have that skill... Bring on the next track day for experimenting __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green.

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