Newby with remap questions

paulwakinshaw · 16-11-2005, 10:31

Hi Chaps

Just a new guy here and I have a few questions ref re-maps.

After some reading here I see that there are a few different routes for re-mapping the car

1: plug and play type re-map. I assume that this just uploads new data to the ECU, usually via the OBD port

2: Custom code re-map. This guess this is a remap to suit your individual cars needs and is probably better to do this when you have added things like aftermarket exhaust, panel filter etc.

What I am after is some info on which companies offer each service. There are plenty of companies pop up after a google search which offer 40BHP from a plug and play chip and prices range from £300-£500 but i would be a little cautious when using one of these. which companies do the custom re-maps, weblinks would be good too.

TIA

Paul

ag.morley · 16-11-2005, 10:45

Hi Paul.........My furbie vRS has been superchipped. It's a genoric re-map I'm happy with it has Improved the cars performance.............where abouts in the N E are you..........Andy

Andy vRS · 16-11-2005, 10:48

Hi - welcome to the forum.

I have a custom RICA remap that develops 158 hp @ wheels - it is addictive

Stuart_J · 16-11-2005, 10:52

Jabba sports my favourite, had both our Skodas re mapped by them, results were "very pleasing"

Beware of anything tht just throws more fuel in, a good remap will give both Improvements in performance & when you are cruising economy will be better as well

paulwakinshaw · 16-11-2005, 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by ag.morley

Hi Paul.........My furbie vRS has been superchipped. It's a genoric re-map I'm happy with it has Improved the cars performance.............where abouts in the N E are you..........Andy

Hi Andy

I'm in South Shields. Fancy getting a vRS once I have sold my Lotus Elise. Just had to hand the company car back as I have changed jobs and I can't stand the Lotus getting wet and covered in salt so its for sale. Only seen one vRS locally, they seem pretty rare.

ScoobyChris · 16-11-2005, 11:06

Don't rule out tuning boxes. Can be had for significantly less than a remap and can be taken off the car in less than 5 mins and sold on when you sell the car (making the net cost of ownership very small

)

Chris

***DGW*** · 16-11-2005, 11:13

One thing is for sure, you have plenty of options for tuning the Furbie vRS.

faboka vrs · 16-11-2005, 12:01

Here's another one. DMS dual system. AKA PowerPocket from Milford Microsystems

http://www.milfordmicros.co.uk/home/default.asp
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/

Andy vRS · 16-11-2005, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulwakinshaw

Hi Andy
Fancy getting a vRS once I have sold my Lotus Elise.

Oh dear. As an Elise driver i think you will find a Fabia damn right dangerous. The handling is only average and there is a lot of weight over the front wheels. I think you really need to drive it lots before you buy ! What did you have before the Elise ?

ag.morley · 16-11-2005, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulwakinshaw

Hi Andy

I'm in South Shields. Fancy getting a vRS once I have sold my Lotus Elise. Just had to hand the company car back as I have changed jobs and I can't stand the Lotus getting wet and covered in salt so its for sale. Only seen one vRS locally, they seem pretty rare.

I'm a bit further south, Harrogate.....Your right, not many about to be seen Oh and don't forget when you buy a Furbie vRS it's got to be Yellow ( Start's mass colour debate

)

paulwakinshaw · 16-11-2005, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy vRS

Oh dear. As an Elise driver i think you will find a Fabia damn right dangerous. The handling is only average and there is a lot of weight over the front wheels. I think you really need to drive it lots before you buy ! What did you have before the Elise ?

Hi Andy

I know that the Elise is far removed from the Fabia. I had a Focus TDCI Estate but a Saxo VTS before that. I have been considering a MK4 Golf GT TDI and just come accross a Seat Ibiza Cupra PD160 too.

What i want is a diesel with a bit of "get-up-and-go" about it and most of these fit the bill.

Andy vRS · 16-11-2005, 14:33

Hmm i used to have a Saxo VTR so i know for a fact they are virtually unbeatable on the handling for a FWD hatchback. The Focus is easily better at handling than both the golf and the Fabia.

The Ibiza a nice spec and is a touch harder on the ride - but i think you need to drive them lots

Andy

JBS Auto Design · 16-11-2005, 15:48

Oh I thought this was a remap question

Hi my 2p worth is Custom-Code http://www.briskoda.net/forums/showt...&highlight=jbs
This is one customers replies on his remap.
You did open a can of worms on this subject.
But have fun in your search.
Please feel free to get in touch with me if I can help you
Sarah

flatfourburble · 16-11-2005, 16:36

I've got a Jabba remap on mine it pushes out (confirmed on non-jabba rollers) 180bhp 311lb/ft. Power delivery is smooth and the mpg doesn't drop much on average. Though on full charge in second it will drop to 7.9mpg!

All the re-mappers have good reviews and all are much of a much.

Best seeing if you can have a ride in a members car with one of the re-maps your looking and asking them a few questions. Also worth noting where is easy for you to get to.

chrisuk1983 · 17-11-2005, 11:52

Mike,

Just out of interest what did your car out out on the Jabba rollers before nd after?

Chris

flatfourburble · 17-11-2005, 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisuk1983

Mike,

Just out of interest what did your car out out on the Jabba rollers before nd after?

Chris

about 140bhp on standard (with green filter and intake) and 194bhp after re-map cant remember what the torque is off the top off my head.

HTH

HellFire · 17-11-2005, 12:32

On the Jabba rollers with Green Panel Filter, Cupra Air Intake mine produced 143 before on the Jabba rollers and 195 bhp after. Cant remember the torque before the map but afterwards it had to be detuned to 311 lb/ft for the sake of the clutch.

Not starting an arguement and just IMO but I believe the benchmark for remaps currently is Custom Code (see the post by Sarah from JBS in this thread).

It's not the outright power which is the key, it's the delivery and IMO Custom Code provides the best curves

. There is also a "debate" on whether Jabba's figures are correct but i'm happy enough and have seen 201 bhp on an indipendant RR (Top Gear Performance in Doncaster)

. I think the dyno may of been slightly out...

Chris.

chrisuk1983 · 17-11-2005, 12:45

Chris,

Would you go for the CC phase 1 if you were to get another remap then?

paulwakinshaw · 17-11-2005, 13:12

ok this is good info guys, just what I was looking for. Just spotted a '04 vRS on my travels this morning, looked cool, if a little high, but some lowering springs would sort that out.

Here is my dilemma though. I have been investigating the Seat Ibiza Cupra PD160 – it looks the biz but I can’t be buying a Seat, my street cred would hit rock bottom! Anyway its not cheap and still being quite new to the market there are not many about. As I understand it the Ibiza is essentially the same under the skin as the Fabia/Polo. With that in mind I have been wondering is it worth spending £15k plus on a car when I could have the Fabia for less and money to spare on buying goodies. What I would like you to help me with are the costs of the following parts if you can

1: PD160 intake
2: Green panel filter
3: Custom Code remap (fitted cost)
4: Miltek full exhaust (front pipe, sport cat and rear box – just parts price as I can fir this)
5: Lowering springs – Eibach (just spring price as I have a friend who can fit them)
6: Octavia large brake conversion (parts price only as I can do this)

I’m asking a lot here but any help is much appreciated. I might have a bite on the sale of my Elise so I could be looking for a vRS sooner rather than later!

Cheers - Paul

pbirkett · 17-11-2005, 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulwakinshaw

Here is my dilemma though. I have been investigating the Seat Ibiza Cupra PD160 – it looks the biz but I can’t be buying a Seat, my street cred would hit rock bottom! Anyway its not cheap and still being quite new to the market there are not many about. As I understand it the Ibiza is essentially the same under the skin as the Fabia/Polo. With that in mind I have been wondering is it worth spending £15k plus on a car when I could have the Fabia for less and money to spare on buying goodies. What I would like you to help me with are the costs of the following parts if you can

Hmmm... you wont by a seat because your street cred will be rock bottom, but your on here asking about skodas

Anyway, I'd say if you can stretch to it, the Cupra is a better buy, as there is less work to be done to tune it, lets look at what it has compared to the Fabia...

+ 17" alloys v's 16" alloys
+ 323 mm Brembo brakes with 4 pot calipers v's 288mm standard with puny calipers
+ A further 10mm lower than the Fabia
+ Already has the 160 air-ducts
+ Has an FMIC, less heat soak compared to Fabia's puny SMIC
+ Already has 160 bhp - almost as much as a remapped Fabia... and it can still be remapped further
+ Better bodykit

I'd say to make the Fabia comparable to the Ibiza, if you are buying new, you'll end up spending more than what the Ibiza costs.

JBS Auto Design · 17-11-2005, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulwakinshaw

ok this is good info guys, just what I was looking for. Just spotted a '04 vRS on my travels this morning, looked cool, if a little high, but some lowering springs would sort that out.

Here is my dilemma though. I have been investigating the Seat Ibiza Cupra PD160 – it looks the biz but I can’t be buying a Seat, my street cred would hit rock bottom! Anyway its not cheap and still being quite new to the market there are not many about. As I understand it the Ibiza is essentially the same under the skin as the Fabia/Polo. With that in mind I have been wondering is it worth spending £15k plus on a car when I could have the Fabia for less and money to spare on buying goodies. What I would like you to help me with are the costs of the following parts if you can

1: PD160 intake
2: Green panel filter
3: Custom Code remap (fitted cost)
4: Miltek full exhaust (front pipe, sport cat and rear box – just parts price as I can fir this)
5: Lowering springs – Eibach (just spring price as I have a friend who can fit them)
6: Octavia large brake conversion (parts price only as I can do this)

I’m asking a lot here but any help is much appreciated. I might have a bite on the sale of my Elise so I could be looking for a vRS sooner rather than later!

Cheers - Paul

Hi Paul
I would agree with you.
Why pay more for virtually the same car.
But with the mods that you list this would make the car more personal to you.
Right your list
1) PD they have just put the price up , but £36 ish + VAT
2)Green Cotton Filter £35.50 + VAT
3)Custom-Code £450.00 + VAT
4) £440.50 + VAT + fitting
5)144.00 + VAT
6)Check out the GB that is going on for the brakes.
If you was to have the job lot done at the same time with us we would be able to give you a discount on your parts.
Hope this helps.
If not give me a call on 01246 455005
Thank you
Sarah

ScoobyChris · 17-11-2005, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulwakinshaw

Here is my dilemma though. I have been investigating the Seat Ibiza Cupra PD160 – it looks the biz but I can’t be buying a Seat, my street cred would hit rock bottom!

If they laugh at Seat, what'll happen if you turn up in a Skoda

I'd recommend test driving both and seeing which one you prefer. As Paul says, the Ibiza is the more "no compromise" car and I believe has a bit more kit compared to the Fabia, eg digital climate control, etc if that matters to you

Chris

Shifty · 17-11-2005, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbirkett

Hmmm... you wont by a seat because your street cred will be rock bottom, but your on here asking about skodas

Anyway, I'd say if you can stretch to it, the Cupra is a better buy, as there is less work to be done to tune it, lets look at what it has compared to the Fabia...

+ 17" alloys v's 16" alloys
+ 323 mm Brembo brakes with 4 pot calipers v's 288mm standard with puny calipers
+ A further 10mm lower than the Fabia
+ Already has the 160 air-ducts
+ Has an FMIC, less heat soak compared to Fabia's puny SMIC
+ Already has 160 bhp - almost as much as a remapped Fabia... and it can still be remapped further
+ Better bodykit

I'd say to make the Fabia comparable to the Ibiza, if you are buying new, you'll end up spending more than what the Ibiza costs.

You should sell skoda's for a living if your current job comes to an end.

walkie · 17-11-2005, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty

You should sell skoda's for a living if your current job comes to an end.

Dont you mean Seats

I agree though, Paul your in the wrong job mate, and judging by your threads your not happy where you work anyway, get in touch with Seat

lee c · 17-11-2005, 14:12

Andy,

In my oppinion I dont think that is entirely true. If you get into a Furb and ramp it maybe.

I regularly got out of my Evo 7 and straight into my Suzuki Alto with no problems.

You just need to remember the differences between cars, whilst you are driving.

I also took my 7 to the dealer to have the test drive in the VRS and was still impressed by it.

Cheers
Lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy vRS

Oh dear. As an Elise driver i think you will find a Fabia damn right dangerous. The handling is only average and there is a lot of weight over the front wheels. I think you really need to drive it lots before you buy ! What did you have before the Elise ?

16-11-2005, 10:31	#1
paulwakinshaw Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North East Posts: 32 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Newby with remap questions Hi Chaps Just a new guy here and I have a few questions ref re-maps. After some reading here I see that there are a few different routes for re-mapping the car 1: plug and play type re-map. I assume that this just uploads new data to the ECU, usually via the OBD port 2: Custom code re-map. This guess this is a remap to suit your individual cars needs and is probably better to do this when you have added things like aftermarket exhaust, panel filter etc. What I am after is some info on which companies offer each service. There are plenty of companies pop up after a google search which offer 40BHP from a plug and play chip and prices range from £300-£500 but i would be a little cautious when using one of these. which companies do the custom re-maps, weblinks would be good too. TIA Paul

16-11-2005, 10:45	#2
ag.morley Insecure Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: right on track........ Posts: 4,938 Members Car: Volvo 2.4 T SE XC70 Auto running on LPG Thanks: 13 Thanked 79 Times in 33 Posts	Hi Paul.........My furbie vRS has been superchipped. It's a genoric re-map I'm happy with it has Improved the cars performance.............where abouts in the N E are you..........Andy __________________ I now own a Volvo 2.4T Automatic V70 XC 4 wheel drive, Estate, running on LPG......In a Lovely shade of Gold---THE BATTLE TANK "BRISKOLVO ".......THE UK'S ONLY MEMBER......." IT'S THE WAY FORWARD " Last edited by ag.morley; 16-11-2005 at 10:46.

16-11-2005, 10:52	#4
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,709 Members Car: Nissan 350Z Twin Turbo Also Octavia 1.9 TDI L&K & Superb td 140 Thanks: 39 Thanked 85 Times in 78 Posts	Jabba sports my favourite, had both our Skodas re mapped by them, results were "very pleasing" Beware of anything tht just throws more fuel in, a good remap will give both Improvements in performance & when you are cruising economy will be better as well __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

16-11-2005, 11:06	#6
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,193 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 15 Thanked 335 Times in 289 Posts	Don't rule out tuning boxes. Can be had for significantly less than a remap and can be taken off the car in less than 5 mins and sold on when you sell the car (making the net cost of ownership very small ) Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

16-11-2005, 11:13	#7
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,295 Members Car: Octavia 1.8T 4X4 Estate & Fabia vRS Thanks: 51 Thanked 207 Times in 156 Posts	One thing is for sure, you have plenty of options for tuning the Furbie vRS. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

16-11-2005, 12:01	#8
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 6,043 Members Car: 2004 Fabia vRS TDI PD130 Thanks: 12 Thanked 46 Times in 46 Posts	Here's another one. DMS dual system. AKA PowerPocket from Milford Microsystems http://www.milfordmicros.co.uk/home/default.asp http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/ __________________ John 2004 Skoda Fabia vRS - Xenons - Heated Seats - Cruise Control - Passenger Airbag Deactivation switch - Side Airbags

16-11-2005, 15:48	#13
JBS Auto Design Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central UK Posts: 913 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Oh I thought this was a remap question Hi my 2p worth is Custom-Code http://www.briskoda.net/forums/showt...&highlight=jbs This is one customers replies on his remap. You did open a can of worms on this subject. But have fun in your search. Please feel free to get in touch with me if I can help you Sarah

16-11-2005, 16:36	#14
flatfourburble "Bones" Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Heathrow/Crewe Posts: 5,449 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've got a Jabba remap on mine it pushes out (confirmed on non-jabba rollers) 180bhp 311lb/ft. Power delivery is smooth and the mpg doesn't drop much on average. Though on full charge in second it will drop to 7.9mpg! All the re-mappers have good reviews and all are much of a much. Best seeing if you can have a ride in a members car with one of the re-maps your looking and asking them a few questions. Also worth noting where is easy for you to get to. __________________ Oh to have the internet back..................oh have I missed it

17-11-2005, 11:52	#15
chrisuk1983 Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North East UK Posts: 47 Members Car: Fabia VRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mike, Just out of interest what did your car out out on the Jabba rollers before nd after? Chris

17-11-2005, 12:32	#17
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	On the Jabba rollers with Green Panel Filter, Cupra Air Intake mine produced 143 before on the Jabba rollers and 195 bhp after. Cant remember the torque before the map but afterwards it had to be detuned to 311 lb/ft for the sake of the clutch. Not starting an arguement and just IMO but I believe the benchmark for remaps currently is Custom Code (see the post by Sarah from JBS in this thread). It's not the outright power which is the key, it's the delivery and IMO Custom Code provides the best curves . There is also a "debate" on whether Jabba's figures are correct but i'm happy enough and have seen 201 bhp on an indipendant RR (Top Gear Performance in Doncaster) . I think the dyno may of been slightly out... Chris. __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

17-11-2005, 12:45	#18
chrisuk1983 Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North East UK Posts: 47 Members Car: Fabia VRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Chris, Would you go for the CC phase 1 if you were to get another remap then?

17-11-2005, 13:12	#19
paulwakinshaw Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North East Posts: 32 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ok this is good info guys, just what I was looking for. Just spotted a '04 vRS on my travels this morning, looked cool, if a little high, but some lowering springs would sort that out. Here is my dilemma though. I have been investigating the Seat Ibiza Cupra PD160 – it looks the biz but I can’t be buying a Seat, my street cred would hit rock bottom! Anyway its not cheap and still being quite new to the market there are not many about. As I understand it the Ibiza is essentially the same under the skin as the Fabia/Polo. With that in mind I have been wondering is it worth spending £15k plus on a car when I could have the Fabia for less and money to spare on buying goodies. What I would like you to help me with are the costs of the following parts if you can 1: PD160 intake 2: Green panel filter 3: Custom Code remap (fitted cost) 4: Miltek full exhaust (front pipe, sport cat and rear box – just parts price as I can fir this) 5: Lowering springs – Eibach (just spring price as I have a friend who can fit them) 6: Octavia large brake conversion (parts price only as I can do this) I’m asking a lot here but any help is much appreciated. I might have a bite on the sale of my Elise so I could be looking for a vRS sooner rather than later! Cheers - Paul

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