UWO

Does anybody know if anyone makes progressive springs that lessen the body roll of the vRS, that do not lower the car?
Well 10mm would be max lowering.

And please don't mention springs that lower the car more than 10mm.

ScoobyChris

If you just want to reduce body roll and keep ride height the same, why not look at the Jabba ARB?

Chris

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Goochie

ARB's = the thinking man's suspension mods.

UWO

I'm from Slovenia and the shipping would be £88, then it would cost me £300 which I think is way too much...

faboka vrs

Change your dampers. I had sachs dampers fitted with std springs for a year. Reduced body roll and dive.

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HellFire

front upper strut brace or udder mod, both under £50 will tighten up steering feel and response but won't reduce pitch/roll.

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mickeyg33uk

will ESP make a difference? Comments appreciated please. Well constructive ones as I am NOT an engineer!!!!!

ScoobyChris

ESP will not make a difference to body roll as it's a passive aid (ie it waits til something goes wrong before it can correct it) that works using the wheels and brakes. On more advanced cars with air-suspension, ESP may be able to control this though.

Only other suggestion I can think of is to get coilovers and adjust them to the current ride height you have now. Should go some way to improving body roll as the springs will be stiffer but will still set you back quite a bit of money

Chris

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UWO

Are you sure that only dampers can make such a big difference faboka?

Chris GB

Hi

Fitting stiffer dampers will not reduce the ultimate angle of body roll, but will permit the control of the rate of roll build up and help the car not to bounce into over roll situation then bounce back again, which leads to the irritating tendencey of the car to unload the roll steer effect unless you build it up slowly.

Firts mod to my suspension will be dampers when the standard ones are worn out. The standard ones are just too weak for the sring rates IMO. Cant wait.

Chris

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Jay Dee

I Fitted koni dampers to a volkswagen beetle . (air cooled)

Normal dampers as fitted with your car probably have same upward and downward stiffness.
Koni dampers are four times as stiff on the down ward cycle. This reduces the rate of body roll. But not utimately the amonut of body roll.

This will give the effect of reducing body roll. With out stiffing the springs.

Just as a precautiunary tale. Also fitted 25% stiffer springs and 50mm lower springs at the front of the car. This made the car skip over bumps and was unessessary, it didnt improve handling or ride quality.

I think decent shocks would be a good idea. Any body know of any? and how much?

BeezerDiesel

It's been standard practice on VAG cars for many years to change the dampers for quality gas uprated items if you want to keep a standard ride height (and avoid the wrath of insurance companies and speed humps at the same time).
VAG always seem to fit firm springs and soft dampers which is just plain wrong for pants UK roads, and probably most other coutries outside of Germany.

The tuners who advertise on these forums will sell you quality uprated gas dampers, that will have a significant improvement of the cars responses coupled with a good ride quality which you won't get on most lowered set ups IMO.

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Fabia vRS now gone but not forgotten.

faboka vrs

Well it made a difference to my car. I used the eibach dampers (made by sachs) made a difference but not sure it they would be the best ones to use. maybe Blistein would be a better option.

Like someone has said their are 2 rates to dampers. bound and rebound. REbound is what is increased on koni shocks (i think I'm no expert far from) Increasing this will reduce ride quality as it speed up how the damper reactive to bumps in the road? I'm I right?

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Chris GB

Hi

Compression and rebound damping have to be matched otherwise you get pump up or pump down effect where the damping holds the ride height at a level other than where the spring would naturally put it. Too strong a rebound damping gives a pump down effect where the car gets progressively lower with spring compressions in quick succession.

What improved dampers do is make wheel control better at high frequencies and control body movement at low frequencies. This generally improves the ride quality and gives better handling at the same time.

The Fabia vRS on standard shocks has a tendency to let the front wheels patter which indicates under damping, the springs compressing more than the load applied by the car, a result of not controlling the upward momentum of the unsprung mass (wheel, hub, brake disc, brake caliper, lower arm) this is a symptom of inadequate compression damping. Given that the vRS has bigger heavier discs and clipers than the standard car and that the wheels may weigh more as well, you would think the dampers were uprated. It appears however that the dampers are the same part number as on less sporty models.

The other trait that irritates on the vRS is a tendency to unload its chassis too quickly when cornering reducing the roll oversteer effect. It can be countered by applying / building up the loading more slowly. This is indicative of insufficient rebound damping and is probably a result of the stiffer than standard springing in the vRS combined with the standard shock absorber.

Many here have fitted shorter, firmer springs which will partially mask the effects of underdamping by limiting wheel travel by increasing resistance to it. However, this will reduce ground clearence, reduce roll oversteer (although it may also counter roll understeer in an equal manner) and will provide a firmer ride.

Hope this helps, for me, uprated shocks (and lower arm bushes while it is up on the ramps) will be the way to go when I get the chance.

Chris

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UWO

Very useful Chris.
Thanks

faboka vrs

So what dampers would you be looking at Chris?

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Chris GB

What dampers indeed! That will be a question for the forum when the time comes. I am aware that dampers from certain other VAG group cars fit, so hopefully will get a bit of choice, but whatever I get must be intended to cope withthe weight of the 1.9 lump and gearbox.

I would like Bilstiens or Koni adjustables as first choices (looking at the turret top, there is a box of electronic gadgetry covering one side so Koni top adjusters may not be viable). What else is about? I know the Eibachs are optimised for the shorter firmer Eibach springs, so they are probably out.

Chris

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UWO

Do seat, vw or audi (for example ibiza or polo(tdi 130 has the same springs but dofferent dampers i think))make dampers that would fit the vrs and wold improve body roll?

BeezerDiesel

You would need to source Koni 'Red', Bilstein or Sachs gas dampers (or something similar).
None of the OE dampers would improve the car that much. No point in getting paranoid about warranty either as fitting other VAG dampers would still be classed as a modification if they had not been specifically tested for the model they are fitted to.
I used to have an early VR6 Golf many many years ago, that had a reputaion like the Fab vRS of being a bit roly poly. Fitted a set of Sachs (OE manufacturer) gas dampers, problem solved.

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Fabia vRS now gone but not forgotten.

faboka vrs

Fitting just the sachs dampers to mine also solve it. The springs just make it much better now.

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2004 Skoda Fabia vRS - Xenons - Heated Seats - Cruise Control - Passenger Airbag Deactivation switch - Side Airbags

SteVRs

The implication is that fitting uprated dampers without dropping the suspension doesn't affect insurance?

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BeezerDiesel

Won't effect insurance within reason, will effect warranty (should a stealer so decide).

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05 Golf GTI
91 Polo GT
Fabia vRS now gone but not forgotten.