PD 130 lump complete with ecu

Glider · 09-03-2007, 20:51

One for those mods that have gone wrong ?

Parts & Accessories : VW Volkswagen Golf 1.9 GT TDI 130 PD Engine

Care should be taken, don't know how long the turbo has been sitting with no oil.

devonutopia · 09-03-2007, 21:49

Quite tempted as a spare.

Although I won't need any turbo's or ECU - tempted to make an offer for just the block itself....

WW_VRS · 10-03-2007, 12:01

Word of warning (based on what's happened with my engine

)

Even though the engine code is the same between the Fabia and Golf models, there ARE differences.

The most annoying one is the oil filter and associated stuff, I'm gonna explain this badly but basically it is at a different angle and standing away from the block, vs the Fabia one which is almost flush with the block. Also sensor wiring is on the other side.

As a result of this, plus an opportunity to buy a Fabia PD130 block with 11k on the clock for a reasonable premium, that's what's gonna be done now.

You CAN use loads of that engine though, so might still be worth it

Lummox · 10-03-2007, 12:59

Turbo is also different the the Fabia one as we know.

WW_VRS · 10-03-2007, 13:10

Indeed - however the turbo (incl manifold) bolts over from the Fabia version to the Golf version. That said oil feed lines are different to the turbo so it gets messy quickly

devonutopia · 10-03-2007, 13:30

In that case, if it's not a straight swap (with using my box and turbo) I won't bother.

Lummox · 10-03-2007, 14:03

Its not that complicated to do. Basically there are just a few ancilleries that would need to be swapped over, the block itself is the same.

devonutopia · 10-03-2007, 14:31

So I could swap the oil filter housing over - what about the sump sensor plug - was that what was meant by "wrong side" ?? A sump would be easy enough to swap over though.

Johnwg · 10-03-2007, 14:45

Totaly off topic, but I was thinking about this the other day;

Jason, when you did your engine transplant were you never tempted to source a PD160 from a Ibiza Cupra (including the FMIC), or is it not possible to transplant one in to a Fabia?

devonutopia · 10-03-2007, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnwg

Totaly off topic, but I was thinking about this the other day;

Jason, when you did your engine transplant were you never tempted to source a PD160 from a Ibiza Cupra (including the FMIC), or is it not possible to transplant one in to a Fabia?

I wanted Skoda to try and maintain some common features. I'm not sure when the pd160 came out, but I planned my conversion in June/July 2005. Besides, with that I wanted to do with the pd130, there was really no difference between the two engines once I'd modded everything.

Basil · 10-03-2007, 15:13

When I was there at last TRAX - I saw a car that had TWO engines - they had put one in the rear as well.

Nice way to double your power, get the weight balanced 50:50 and have true 4-wheel drive. Economy would be an issue somewhat, methinks..

What do you think Jase? Sounds right up your street mate....

Lummox · 10-03-2007, 15:26

The problem is you have to get two very well matched engines. If they either differ to greatly or are set up differently then one just pulls or pushes the other.

Basil · 10-03-2007, 15:32

so it's not unusual to do then mate?

Jase - where are you!!????

Lummox · 10-03-2007, 15:35

Plenty of twin engined cars around here. some I have seen..

Twin 2.0 16v MK1 Golf
Twin VR6 Turbo MK3 Golf
Twin 2.0 turbo Nova
Twin 3.0 Corsa
Twin 3.0 Pug 306

devonutopia · 10-03-2007, 15:53

Sorry, but the thought of having another pd130 in the boot, and the wiring/etc that would involve.... I would rather not.

Basil · 10-03-2007, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

Plenty of twin engined cars around here. some I have seen..

Twin 2.0 16v MK1 Golf
Twin VR6 Turbo MK3 Golf
Twin 2.0 turbo Nova
Twin 3.0 Corsa
Twin 3.0 Pug 306

How the heck do they get the rear axle to run the power? Is it that they steal the rear axle from a VAG model or do they put in the front axle of a donor car?

If the latter, does this allow the setup for 4-wheel drive steering like the evo?

sounds totally mental but brilliant, I must say....

Jase - so you say now. Settle down for a few months and the modding bug will start biting again - and I have a feeling where you'll be headed, hehehe

Cheers!
Bas

devonutopia · 10-03-2007, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basil

Jase - so you say now. Settle down for a few months and the modding bug will start biting again - and I have a feeling where you'll be headed, hehehe

If I do anything it will be on a different car, whilst keeping the mongrel at it's new level. I might start scouring the car auctions for something to mess around with to give the mongrel a break. She needs it.

Basil · 10-03-2007, 16:26

Respect Mate!

maxcars1 · 10-03-2007, 18:45

Off topic - hows the mongrel going Jason? Had a progress check from Allards or has it been let out already?

devonutopia · 10-03-2007, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxcars1

Off topic - hows the mongrel going Jason? Had a progress check from Allards or has it been let out already?

Running on new gear / cam, but not being released until Monday after final checks.

Lummox · 10-03-2007, 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basil

How the heck do they get the rear axle to run the power? Is it that they steal the rear axle from a VAG model or do they put in the front axle of a donor car?

If the latter, does this allow the setup for 4-wheel drive steering like the evo?

sounds totally mental but brilliant, I must say....

Jase - so you say now. Settle down for a few months and the modding bug will start biting again - and I have a feeling where you'll be headed, hehehe

Cheers!
Bas

Usually either have a space frame at the rear or weld front chassis legs to the rear and mount it as front.

oliverreed · 11-03-2007, 00:12

Isn't a GT TDI a PD150?

devonutopia · 11-03-2007, 00:13

They had 130 ones I think too. ARL was 150, this is the 130 ASZ.

Johnwg · 11-03-2007, 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliverreed

Isn't a GT TDI a PD150?

It is along with the 115bhp (2 different versions, I think), 130bhp & 150bhp... take your pick!

09-03-2007, 20:51	#1
Glider Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 2,432 Thanks: 5 Thanked 51 Times in 32 Posts	PD 130 lump complete with ecu One for those mods that have gone wrong ? Parts & Accessories : VW Volkswagen Golf 1.9 GT TDI 130 PD Engine Care should be taken, don't know how long the turbo has been sitting with no oil. Last edited by Glider; 09-03-2007 at 20:54.

09-03-2007, 21:49	#2
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,059 Images: 5 Thanks: 76 Thanked 346 Times in 289 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Quite tempted as a spare. Although I won't need any turbo's or ECU - tempted to make an offer for just the block itself.... __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

10-03-2007, 12:01	#3
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,853 Thanks: 45 Thanked 81 Times in 71 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Word of warning (based on what's happened with my engine ) Even though the engine code is the same between the Fabia and Golf models, there ARE differences. The most annoying one is the oil filter and associated stuff, I'm gonna explain this badly but basically it is at a different angle and standing away from the block, vs the Fabia one which is almost flush with the block. Also sensor wiring is on the other side. As a result of this, plus an opportunity to buy a Fabia PD130 block with 11k on the clock for a reasonable premium, that's what's gonna be done now. You CAN use loads of that engine though, so might still be worth it __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

10-03-2007, 12:59	#4
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,276 Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 734 Times in 616 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Turbo is also different the the Fabia one as we know. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services www.unit18.co.uk

10-03-2007, 13:10	#5
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,853 Thanks: 45 Thanked 81 Times in 71 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Indeed - however the turbo (incl manifold) bolts over from the Fabia version to the Golf version. That said oil feed lines are different to the turbo so it gets messy quickly __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

10-03-2007, 13:30	#6
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,059 Images: 5 Thanks: 76 Thanked 346 Times in 289 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu In that case, if it's not a straight swap (with using my box and turbo) I won't bother. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

10-03-2007, 14:03	#7
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,276 Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 734 Times in 616 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Its not that complicated to do. Basically there are just a few ancilleries that would need to be swapped over, the block itself is the same. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services www.unit18.co.uk

10-03-2007, 14:31	#8
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,059 Images: 5 Thanks: 76 Thanked 346 Times in 289 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu So I could swap the oil filter housing over - what about the sump sensor plug - was that what was meant by "wrong side" ?? A sump would be easy enough to swap over though. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

10-03-2007, 14:45	#9
Johnwg Turkish Delight Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 2,074 Thanks: 66 Thanked 56 Times in 55 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Totaly off topic, but I was thinking about this the other day; Jason, when you did your engine transplant were you never tempted to source a PD160 from a Ibiza Cupra (including the FMIC), or is it not possible to transplant one in to a Fabia? __________________ 2006: Silver: Octavia II VRS TFSI ESTATE 2002: Green: Audi A6 SE 1.9 TDI AVANT

10-03-2007, 15:13	#11
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,241 Thanks: 191 Thanked 194 Times in 151 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu When I was there at last TRAX - I saw a car that had TWO engines - they had put one in the rear as well. Nice way to double your power, get the weight balanced 50:50 and have true 4-wheel drive. Economy would be an issue somewhat, methinks.. What do you think Jase? Sounds right up your street mate.... __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

10-03-2007, 15:26	#12
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,276 Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 734 Times in 616 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu The problem is you have to get two very well matched engines. If they either differ to greatly or are set up differently then one just pulls or pushes the other. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services www.unit18.co.uk

10-03-2007, 15:32	#13
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,241 Thanks: 191 Thanked 194 Times in 151 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu so it's not unusual to do then mate? Jase - where are you!!???? __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

10-03-2007, 15:35	#14
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,276 Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 734 Times in 616 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Plenty of twin engined cars around here. some I have seen.. Twin 2.0 16v MK1 Golf Twin VR6 Turbo MK3 Golf Twin 2.0 turbo Nova Twin 3.0 Corsa Twin 3.0 Pug 306 __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services www.unit18.co.uk

10-03-2007, 15:53	#15
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,059 Images: 5 Thanks: 76 Thanked 346 Times in 289 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Sorry, but the thought of having another pd130 in the boot, and the wiring/etc that would involve.... I would rather not. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

10-03-2007, 16:26	#18
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,241 Thanks: 191 Thanked 194 Times in 151 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Respect Mate! __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

10-03-2007, 18:45	#19
maxcars1 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 219 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Off topic - hows the mongrel going Jason? Had a progress check from Allards or has it been let out already? __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 100PD converted to 130 Spec Mods: To many too mention

11-03-2007, 00:12	#22
oliverreed Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 383 Thanks: 11 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu Isn't a GT TDI a PD150?

11-03-2007, 00:13	#23
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,059 Images: 5 Thanks: 76 Thanked 346 Times in 289 Posts	Re: PD 130 lump complete with ecu They had 130 ones I think too. ARL was 150, this is the 130 ASZ. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

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