pd160 Intake pipe - the definitive thread?

[Joff]

As a new member, I've been shocked at the amount of threads on the pd160 intake pipe mod - do people not use the search?

Admittedly, I found it a bit of a nightmare following a paper trail of keywords and part numbers but I got everything sorted and the parts arrived from Seat within 4 days of looking on Briskoda.

To (hopefully) make it easier for members to find the information they need, how's about a single concise thread on everything about the mod?


Anyway, rant over. Here's my contribution to the cause...



pd 160 intake parts

6LL 129 621 (trumpet)
6LL 129 618 (pipe)

Available from Seat dealers, together they cost approx £35 give or take.
The parts are valid.
The trumpet is the Euro spec.

You also need a zip tie.

What does the mod do?
This mod uses a pipe from the Seat Ibiza Cupra 1.9 TDi 160bhp (aka pd160 engine). The pipe fits into all Fabia vRS models and connects the airbox to the air feed on the slam panel.



In comparison (see photos), the Fabia vRS pipe is nearly half the diameter of the Seat part. The theory behind this is that the more air you can get to your engine, the better the car performs - Seat obviously thought it was necessary with the pd160 engine, so for Fabia vRS's with a remap it's pretty much essential if you use the standard airbox.

Fit a performance panel filter at the same time (eg Pipercross) and you're good to go.





Showing the zip tie to secure the small pipe



How easy is it to fit?
It's a Haynes 1-spanner job - 5 minutes and you can have the parts fitted.
The only tools you'll need will be a Philips cross head screwdriver and a flat head screwdriver (to prise the tabs from the trumpet).


How to fit:

• Undo the cross head screw securing the intake pipe to the side of the airbox. You may find it easier to temporarily unclip the plug from the side of the MAF meter near the lid of the airbox.
• Prise the tabs at the inlet of the air intake pipe - two at the top and one on each left/right side.
• Pull the intake pipe clear of the engine bay.
• Fit the trumpet section (6LL 129 621) first into the feed on the slam panel by the front grille and click the tabs into place.
• Locate the intake pipe (6LL 129 618) into the airbox and manipulate it until it's fitted over the trumpet section.
• Secure the intake to the airbox with the cross head screw.
• Use the zip tie to pull the small pipe away from the side of the intake pipe - if you fail to do this, the pipe will wear over time!
• If necessary, re-attach the plug to the MAF meter

Is that really all I have to do?
Some people go one step further and enlarge the feed that's connected to the slam panel by cutting back the air deflector. This takes only 5 patient minutes with a Stanley knife.
WARNING - Removing the air deflector may potentially let water into the intake pipe. Whilst a small amount of road spray should not cause a problem with a performance air filter fitted, paper filter elements can fall apart when damp or become saturated leading to water getting onto the MAF.


So will I see any benefit?
As with most budget performance-enhancing mods, hard facts on power gains are pretty much non existant but people have reported better performance both with and without a remap.
What people do agree on is that diesel exhaust smoke is reduced which is never a bad thing.


What were those part numbers again?
6LL 129 621 (trumpet)
6LL 129 618 (pipe)




Some more keywords for the search engine:
pd 160, snorkel, tube, 6LL129618, 6LL129621, scoop, pikey mod

[EddyH]

Originally Posted by Joff

As a new member, I've been shocked at the amount of threads on the pd160 intake pipe mod - do people not use the search?

......Anyway, rant over. Here's my contribution to the cause...

[nashchrs]

STICKY!

[WW_VRS]

There used to be a tech guide for this but IIRC that bit the dust at some stage due to server move/issues/whatever.

Another great site to find a lot of this stuff for the Fabia is Stu's site http://www.fabia-vrs.com

Thanks for putting it all together again here and it gets my vote for sticky

[Joff]

Originally Posted by nashchrs

STICKY!

Nooo!!! Forums should only have stickies for announcements - not popular threads.

If the thread's that good it will be near the top of a forum anyway or in the case of this thread, be found through search engines or maybe moved to a Tutorials/Guides forum?

[VRStu]

Joff

If you want me to I'll gladly add the guide to my website. I am always on the hunt for good info.

[Joff]

Go for it - can you host the images too, just in case they go from mine for whatever reason plus it saves my bandwidth

[VRStu]

Can you email me the originals.

stu@fabia-vrs.com.

[ric04vrs]

just an add on to make , no mention was made to cutting back the air deflector from inside the trumpet bracket on the slam panel , if you do this ,it then makes the PD160 intake the ultimate mod

[WW_VRS]

Hmm apart from potentially letting water in - worth a mention though admittedly

[Joff]

Updated with instructions and deflector mod details

[vibrio]

reduced smoke suggests better A/F ratio so much be sucking more air in technically

[Joff]

If the volume of air was increased, would the amount of fuel not be increased accordingly?

[WW_VRS]

To some extent but there is potentially more air to work with in the first place. From what I understand (which may be wrong ) - by having more air 'hitting the airbox' when the air is less dense (warm outside) it will still have enough O2 to have a decent combustion. The PD160 intake just allows more air to flow into the airbox more easily IIRC

Quite right though the MAF is involved too

[vibrio]

Originally Posted by Joff

If the volume of air was increased, would the amount of fuel not be increased accordingly?

yeah you would think it would work like that

[VRStu]

Well girls and boy's it up there -

http://www.fabia-vrs.com/PD160.htm

Any suggestions for amendments welcome.

[ChrisRs]

Any more definitive threads in the 'pipeline'?

[looking_to_buy]

nice thread cheers!

.... be even better if I could be bothered to get off my *** and buy one

[Irf]

Thanks for putting this thread up. Ordered the parts from a Seat dealership in Liverpool for around £39 and should arrive on Tuesday

Might be an idea to get a sticky up of the part numbers of common parts being bought?

[Joff]

Originally Posted by ChrisRs

Any more definitive threads in the 'pipeline'?

What else do people have problems with finding the same old answers for?

[Thirdtimeluck]

I have fitted one to my 2.0l AMD tuned fabia and It has made a difference to the punch and free revingness of the engine - cant wait to try her out in the cooler weather though

[cjb]

Originally Posted by vibrio

yeah you would think it would work like that

AIUI, a petrol engine will act like this, but diesels usually run with excess air anyway, and even with lots of air, the fuel metering is controlled by your right foot. If ther's not enough air, the ecu won't allow full fuel, which is why a busted maf makes the car so slow...

[fletch555]

Originally Posted by Joff

How to fit:

1. Undo the cross head screw securing the intake pipe to the side of the airbox. You may find it easier to temporarily unclip the plug from the side of the MAF meter near the lid of the airbox.
2. Prise the tabs at the inlet of the air intake pipe - two at the top and one on each left/right side.
3. Pull the intake pipe clear of the engine bay.
4. Fit the trumpet section (6LL 129 621) first into the feed on the slam panel by the front grille and click the tabs into place.
5. Locate the intake pipe (6LL 129 618) into the airbox and manipulate it until it's fitted over the trumpet section.
6. Secure the intake to the airbox with the cross head screw.
7. If necessary, re-attach the plug to the MAF meter

What were those part numbers again?
6LL 129 621 (trumpet)
6LL 129 618 (pipe)

Thanks a million for the guide. The only change I would make is that I found it easier to fit the intake pipe to the airbox first(with the trumpet attached to the intake pipe) and then attach this to the slam panel. (i.e. Switch around steps 4&5 above.)

[seano47]

good topic mate

[nottyash]

It is a 2 minute job!!
I however turned it into a 30 minute job, becuse I struggled to remove the original trumpet, so removed the battery cover thinking it would make it easier. It didnt and I broke the battery cover clip and had to araldite it back on
Fitted a pipercross filter too, but dont really notice a difference!!
Still got there in the end