standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!!

oilburninnut · 26-04-2008, 16:12

Went on the scn awesome rolling road day today,and the conclusion i have drawn is some blt engined fabia's are garret turbo equipped as the kkk would have blown ages ago with these numbers,power isn't that great at 173bhp at the flywheel 162bhp at the wheels and a monster 346 ft lbs

heres the sheet

devonutopia · 26-04-2008, 16:16

At least your clutch will cope with that.

oilburninnut · 26-04-2008, 16:29

yep can confirm absoloutly no clutch or dmf issues

skudmissile · 26-04-2008, 17:37

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Originally Posted by oilburninnut

yep can confirm absoloutly no clutch or dmf issues

id hope you had no DMF problems considering you havent got one

Some good figures, there, your peak torque is impressive

Theres less transmition losses with your flywheel too. when mine ran 171bhp on the same rollers only 152 went to the wheels

devonutopia · 26-04-2008, 17:55

Will be interested to know if I have the same lack of transmission losses as well. The clutch Gary and myself run does feel like you're directly in contact with the tyres.

IainsTheName · 26-04-2008, 19:28

damn lol, makes me feel less special about my 290lbs/ft :-p Some fine figures there Gary :-D Can't wait till my warrenty runs out and I can see what my beauty's capable of :-)

jasc1988 · 26-04-2008, 20:11

Someone laughed when i posted up my rr at 173.5bhp and 342lb-ft of torque, where was your car mapped?

Mines is a Star map on a KKK turbo (think - 04)

jasc1988 · 26-04-2008, 20:27

bit of a spike on mine but its still there.

Good bhp right the way through too

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oilburninnut · 26-04-2008, 20:39

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Originally Posted by jasc1988

Someone laughed when i posted up my rr at 173.5bhp and 342lb-ft of torque, where was your car mapped?

Mines is a Star map on a KKK turbo (think - 04)

mapped at jabba,BUT mapped with no regard at all for turbo longevity,i don't care if it blows tommorow,and remember,this was on awesomes rollers which tend to blow away any delusions,today seemed to be a slow day with very few re mapped dervs making over 300 ft lbs,in fact there was one mine,the boost has been played with to match the fueling,which would only be done at your request ,and the kkk simply can't flow enough air to make this torque,which is why this is most certainly a garrat

novaneil · 27-04-2008, 10:34

Just 11bhp lost through the transmission...... Errrr.... somethings not right there surely

Karaibrahim · 27-04-2008, 10:42

Bit of a thread kidnapper - what's the standard percentage for loss between transmission and wheels for a FWD?

oilburninnut · 27-04-2008, 10:44

well its strange but on the run down this does seem to be the case,who knows,maybe i have over 180bh at the fly

I actually think that the 4kg billit ally smf instead of the 28kg dmf plays a large part in this,tho saying that my losses wern't that high last time

first time on awesomes rollers(standard)

second time after mods

make what you can of that then

novaneil · 27-04-2008, 10:51

A quick search on the web reveals this... sounds about right from my experience at various Rolling Roads to be honest.

Transmission Loss:
usually no more than 15% of the flywheel power for FWD vehicles and no more than 17% for RWD ones. A good guide is to deduct 10% of the flywheel figure plus another 10 bhp for FWD and 12% plus 10 bhp for RWD

oilburninnut · 27-04-2008, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by novaneil

A quick search on the web reveals this... sounds about right from my experience at various Rolling Roads to be honest.

Transmission Loss:
usually no more than 15% of the flywheel power for FWD vehicles and no more than 17% for RWD ones. A good guide is to deduct 10% of the flywheel figure plus another 10 bhp for FWD and 12% plus 10 bhp for RWD

so with the much lighter smf it looks about right?

novaneil · 27-04-2008, 11:01

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Originally Posted by oilburninnut

so with the much lighter smf it looks about right?

10% of 173bhp = 17.3 + 10bhp equal's a rough transmission loss of 27.3bhp giving 145.7bhp @ the Wheels.

I had a Helix SMF clutch fitted in mine just over a week ago so as soon as its bedded im planning on going to my local Rolling Road to see if its made any difference. Will let you know the result

Its just that 11bhp got me... Seen so many Power graphs but never anything that low unless your running a trick gearbox.

Sorry for going off topic by the way.

oilburninnut · 27-04-2008, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by novaneil

10% of 173bhp = 17.3 + 10bhp equal's a rough transmission loss of 27.3bhp giving 145.7bhp @ the Wheels.

I had a Helix SMF clutch fitted in mine just over a week ago so as soon as its bedded im planning on going to my local Rolling Road to see if its made any difference. Will let you know the result

Its just that 11bhp got me... Seen so many Power graphs but never anything that low unless your running a trick gearbox.

Sorry for going off topic by the way.

i'm running an atb diff too,but i thought that would have increased transmission losses

maybe not,i'm not too fussed by the flywheel figure,as we all know s only a calculation,its the wheel figure thats important,and the fact it made more power than last time after a few mods so i'm going in the right direction

Have to see what sort of 1/4 mile time i can get now,as i can put all that power down with no loss of traction,and can launch in second with no fear of destroying the clutch

Lummox · 27-04-2008, 11:20

Hmm before now I was 100% certian that Skoda didnt fit the Garret to the Fabia ASV. usually the Garret is fitted to the Golf/Octavia platform as the Garret has the different compressor housing alignment.

oilburninnut · 27-04-2008, 11:27

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Originally Posted by Lummox

Hmm before now I was 100% certian that Skoda didnt fit the Garret to the Fabia ASV. usually the Garret is fitted to the Golf/Octavia platform as the Garret has the different compressor housing alignment.

you could still be right,its just this has been running this for quite a while now,i was under the impression that the kkk wouldn't be able to do this,coupled with the standard cars original rr graph,seems to point to somthing other than the kkk to be in place,i will have a look later,if its a kkk then i think i best take a spare when i go to the ring in 2 weeks

Richardsvrs · 27-04-2008, 21:39

what is all this kkk turbo and garret turbo bussiness, did some fabia get fitted with diff turbos from the factory, how could u tell and what is the difference between the too

devonutopia · 27-04-2008, 21:49

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Originally Posted by oilburninnut

you could still be right,its just this has been running this for quite a while now,i was under the impression that the kkk wouldn't be able to do this,coupled with the standard cars original rr graph,seems to point to somthing other than the kkk to be in place,i will have a look later,if its a kkk then i think i best take a spare when i go to the ring in 2 weeks

I found a good local garage run by an English chap right inside the ring itself - Just in case!

But you would need to bring a spare turbo with you.

I'll tow you there!

26-04-2008, 16:12	#1
oilburninnut resident gayer Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,355 Thanks: 143 Thanked 122 Times in 114 Posts	standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! Went on the scn awesome rolling road day today,and the conclusion i have drawn is some blt engined fabia's are garret turbo equipped as the kkk would have blown ages ago with these numbers,power isn't that great at 173bhp at the flywheel 162bhp at the wheels and a monster 346 ft lbs heres the sheet __________________ 2nd most powerful car on awesome rolling road day

26-04-2008, 16:16	#2
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,108 Thanks: 60 Thanked 280 Times in 226 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! At least your clutch will cope with that. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

26-04-2008, 16:29	#3
oilburninnut resident gayer Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,355 Thanks: 143 Thanked 122 Times in 114 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! yep can confirm absoloutly no clutch or dmf issues __________________ 2nd most powerful car on awesome rolling road day

26-04-2008, 17:55	#5
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,108 Thanks: 60 Thanked 280 Times in 226 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! Will be interested to know if I have the same lack of transmission losses as well. The clutch Gary and myself run does feel like you're directly in contact with the tyres. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

26-04-2008, 19:28	#6
IainsTheName Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newcastle Posts: 200 Thanks: 52 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! damn lol, makes me feel less special about my 290lbs/ft :-p Some fine figures there Gary :-D Can't wait till my warrenty runs out and I can see what my beauty's capable of :-)

26-04-2008, 20:11	#7
jasc1988 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 2,481 Thanks: 84 Thanked 97 Times in 94 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! Someone laughed when i posted up my rr at 173.5bhp and 342lb-ft of torque, where was your car mapped? Mines is a Star map on a KKK turbo (think - 04) __________________

26-04-2008, 20:27	#8
jasc1988 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 2,481 Thanks: 84 Thanked 97 Times in 94 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! bit of a spike on mine but its still there. Good bhp right the way through too DSC00177.jpg - Image - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting __________________

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novaneil Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 162 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! Just 11bhp lost through the transmission...... Errrr.... somethings not right there surely

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27-04-2008, 10:44	#12
oilburninnut resident gayer Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,355 Thanks: 143 Thanked 122 Times in 114 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! well its strange but on the run down this does seem to be the case,who knows,maybe i have over 180bh at the fly I actually think that the 4kg billit ally smf instead of the 28kg dmf plays a large part in this,tho saying that my losses wern't that high last time first time on awesomes rollers(standard) second time after mods make what you can of that then __________________ 2nd most powerful car on awesome rolling road day

27-04-2008, 10:51	#13
novaneil Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 162 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! A quick search on the web reveals this... sounds about right from my experience at various Rolling Roads to be honest. Transmission Loss: usually no more than 15% of the flywheel power for FWD vehicles and no more than 17% for RWD ones. A good guide is to deduct 10% of the flywheel figure plus another 10 bhp for FWD and 12% plus 10 bhp for RWD

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Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,320 Thanks: 18 Thanked 559 Times in 489 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! Hmm before now I was 100% certian that Skoda didnt fit the Garret to the Fabia ASV. usually the Garret is fitted to the Golf/Octavia platform as the Garret has the different compressor housing alignment. __________________ Unit 18 now open Servicing, repairs, modifications you name it we do it. Cupra console bushes at special price, PM for a very competitive quote.

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Richardsvrs Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Location: lincoln Posts: 95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: standard turbo 346 ft lbs shock!!!!!!!!!!! what is all this kkk turbo and garret turbo bussiness, did some fabia get fitted with diff turbos from the factory, how could u tell and what is the difference between the too

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