Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included

Irf · 09-07-2007, 22:58

Hi guys thought I'd create a separate thread for this instead of adding onto the existing ones.

Went to see the car today and although I didn't get photos of the turbo (it's been sent to Allard), I managed to take a few pictures using my phone of the EGR cooler(?) and where it broke, as well as another pipe that I'm not too sure of.

I still can't understand how these broke, unless the Allard Power Pipe and blanking plate were to blame in some way? As a turbo going pop shouldn't affect these pipes? The garage initially thought that there was no oil going to the turbo which caused it to fail but when they ran the engine for a very short period, oil was going into and pouring out of it.

I've decided on not getting a KKK turbo as even a supplier of oe turbos agreed they fail quite often (mainly due to oil starvation???). Apparently on my turbo the spindle in the middle shattered and one end of the turbo had split open. So half the turbo was ok, the other half was wrecked. Decided on not getting the VT2 as it requires a remap and clutch face etc. The Allard VT1 is based on the Garrett from the PD150 and is the same spec as the KKK so I'm going to use that one as the garage is confident it will be more reliable than the KKK. Just going to wait till Allard see the existing turbo to get their opinion. Also means I can keep my Revo map and the insurance will be happy I'm not increasing the power

Has anyone got any ideas how/why these pipes should split? Would these be the result of the turbo going POP or woudl they have caused it?

Pics:

Here's the engine bay, sorry it's not very clear:

This is the EGR cooler I think, it has water coming out of it:

A close-up of the blanking plate that goes over the egr cooler:

Not sure where this pipe was from, think it went to/from the turbo:

The inside of the intercooler was full of debris but luckily the SMIC stopped the bits going into the engine:

Some debris had split the pipe going from the turbo tot he SMIC. Not sure if Forge FMIC will come with a pipe that replaces this:

devonutopia · 09-07-2007, 23:02

Some good pics there. My whole EGR has gone now and I have blanking plate which went on where your cooler terminates. I don't remember there being any air/water connections going to it, so am a bit curious about that. All I remember was the pipe going between the EGR and the exhaust.

**VRStu** · 09-07-2007, 23:13

Is yours a BLT engine? I thought the EGR cooler was fitted to the BLT engine and not the ASZ.

The broken pipe looks like it might have been caused by some stresses.

Irf · 09-07-2007, 23:15

I have no idea if its a BLT. Car was a December 2005 model if that helps?

**VRStu** · 09-07-2007, 23:20

Yeah I think that might put you in the bracket for a BLT engine.

devonutopia · 09-07-2007, 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

Yeah I think that might put you in the bracket for a BLT engine.

Explains why I don't recall the cooler on mine then.

Not going mad just yet.

**VRStu** · 09-07-2007, 23:22

Yep, BLT is 10/05 onwards -

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/refer...de-list/78255/

Decron · 09-07-2007, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irf

I have no idea if its a BLT. Car was a December 2005 model if that helps?

Yeah that would probably make it a ASZ

Decron · 09-07-2007, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

Yep, BLT is 10/05 onwards -

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/refer...de-list/78255/

??????????

Mine is a November 05 with a ASZ, it was also built to order.

Thinking about it it's possible I had one of the last ASZ's then?

I take the previous post back!

**VRStu** · 09-07-2007, 23:25

Ahh but is Nov 05 the build date or registration date?

Decron · 09-07-2007, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

Ahh but is Nov 05 the build date or registration date?

Where do you find the build date?

Irf · 09-07-2007, 23:28

Mine was registered 12th??? December 2005, so I have no idea when it was built. Does that affect the engine if it is an ASZ or BLT? I have no idea what the differences are. And would blanking the EGR and adding a power pipe be a bad thing on a BLT engine then? As thats when the problems occured soon after, around 2 weeks after having the power pipe and a week after fitting the Powertec filter.

faboka vrs · 09-07-2007, 23:32

Might of been registered late. Mine arrived in the UK early feb 04. But never got registered till MArch 04.

**VRStu** · 09-07-2007, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decron

Where do you find the build date?

You can get it from the Chassis Number

Decron · 09-07-2007, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irf

Mine was registered 12th??? December 2005, so I have no idea when it was built. Does that affect the engine if it is an ASZ or BLT? I have no idea what the differences are. And would blanking the EGR and adding a power pipe be a bad thing on a BLT engine then? As thats when the problems occured soon after, around 2 weeks after having the power pipe and a week after fitting the Powertec filter.

Yeah, ASZ is Euro 3 and BLT is Euro 4. There are differences in the EGR.

Don't know how it would be effected by the powerpipe though.

**VRStu** · 09-07-2007, 23:51

I've not got time to look tonight but we all know that the EGR is very important to the BLT engine.

ric04vrs · 10-07-2007, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irf

Apparently on my turbo the spindle in the middle shattered and one end of the turbo had split open. So half the turbo was ok, the other half was wrecked.

we had the same happen to a turbo on a Galaxy the other day , KKK one aswell , and there was me thinking Ford used the Garrett one on the Galaxy

Irf · 10-07-2007, 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

I've not got time to look tonight but we all know that the EGR is very important to the BLT engine.

Hi I'd appreciate it if you could find out what this EGR does and if it can be removed completely from the BLT engine? As that's what the garage was going to do, seeing as it's broken anyway.

I'll speak to Allard as well as they sold me the power pipe.

Ric: I take it Garrett are more reliable than KKK then?

09-07-2007, 22:58	#1
Irf Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 704 Members Car: Furby vRS Thanks: 148 Thanked 61 Times in 26 Posts	Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included Hi guys thought I'd create a separate thread for this instead of adding onto the existing ones. Went to see the car today and although I didn't get photos of the turbo (it's been sent to Allard), I managed to take a few pictures using my phone of the EGR cooler(?) and where it broke, as well as another pipe that I'm not too sure of. I still can't understand how these broke, unless the Allard Power Pipe and blanking plate were to blame in some way? As a turbo going pop shouldn't affect these pipes? The garage initially thought that there was no oil going to the turbo which caused it to fail but when they ran the engine for a very short period, oil was going into and pouring out of it. I've decided on not getting a KKK turbo as even a supplier of oe turbos agreed they fail quite often (mainly due to oil starvation???). Apparently on my turbo the spindle in the middle shattered and one end of the turbo had split open. So half the turbo was ok, the other half was wrecked. Decided on not getting the VT2 as it requires a remap and clutch face etc. The Allard VT1 is based on the Garrett from the PD150 and is the same spec as the KKK so I'm going to use that one as the garage is confident it will be more reliable than the KKK. Just going to wait till Allard see the existing turbo to get their opinion. Also means I can keep my Revo map and the insurance will be happy I'm not increasing the power Has anyone got any ideas how/why these pipes should split? Would these be the result of the turbo going POP or woudl they have caused it? Pics: Here's the engine bay, sorry it's not very clear: This is the EGR cooler I think, it has water coming out of it: A close-up of the blanking plate that goes over the egr cooler: Not sure where this pipe was from, think it went to/from the turbo: The inside of the intercooler was full of debris but luckily the SMIC stopped the bits going into the engine: Some debris had split the pipe going from the turbo tot he SMIC. Not sure if Forge FMIC will come with a pipe that replaces this: __________________ FURBY VRS: cruise, xenons, ESP, heated seats, Revo, Eibachs, Koni FSDs, PD160 pipe, Jabba rear arb, Allard EGR pipe, EGR totally removed, Powertec induction kit, Milltek full system, Garrett GT17, Forge FMIC, 17" Octy wheels, debadged, side strips removed, Seat Cupra splitter, 312mm brakes... ICE: Alpine 9835, Alpine changer, Alpine X-Type sub, Alpine MRDM1000 & MRFV340 amps, Alpine Remote Amp Controller, Boston Acoustics Pro60.... NEXT: re-remap & clutch

09-07-2007, 23:02	#2
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,480 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 79 Thanked 381 Times in 322 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included Some good pics there. My whole EGR has gone now and I have blanking plate which went on where your cooler terminates. I don't remember there being any air/water connections going to it, so am a bit curious about that. All I remember was the pipe going between the EGR and the exhaust. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. BRISKODA CLUBSTAND @ Castle Combe! 25/04/09! Track session too! Click me! See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

09-07-2007, 23:13	#3
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 21,111 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 195 Thanked 1,046 Times in 928 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included Is yours a BLT engine? I thought the EGR cooler was fitted to the BLT engine and not the ASZ. The broken pipe looks like it might have been caused by some stresses. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

09-07-2007, 23:15	#4
Irf Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 704 Members Car: Furby vRS Thanks: 148 Thanked 61 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included I have no idea if its a BLT. Car was a December 2005 model if that helps? __________________ FURBY VRS: cruise, xenons, ESP, heated seats, Revo, Eibachs, Koni FSDs, PD160 pipe, Jabba rear arb, Allard EGR pipe, EGR totally removed, Powertec induction kit, Milltek full system, Garrett GT17, Forge FMIC, 17" Octy wheels, debadged, side strips removed, Seat Cupra splitter, 312mm brakes... ICE: Alpine 9835, Alpine changer, Alpine X-Type sub, Alpine MRDM1000 & MRFV340 amps, Alpine Remote Amp Controller, Boston Acoustics Pro60.... NEXT: re-remap & clutch

09-07-2007, 23:20	#5
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 21,111 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 195 Thanked 1,046 Times in 928 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included Yeah I think that might put you in the bracket for a BLT engine. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

09-07-2007, 23:22	#7
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 21,111 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 195 Thanked 1,046 Times in 928 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included Yep, BLT is 10/05 onwards - http://www.briskoda.net/forums/refer...de-list/78255/ __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

09-07-2007, 23:25	#10
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 21,111 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 195 Thanked 1,046 Times in 928 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included Ahh but is Nov 05 the build date or registration date? __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

09-07-2007, 23:28	#12
Irf Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 704 Members Car: Furby vRS Thanks: 148 Thanked 61 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included Mine was registered 12th??? December 2005, so I have no idea when it was built. Does that affect the engine if it is an ASZ or BLT? I have no idea what the differences are. And would blanking the EGR and adding a power pipe be a bad thing on a BLT engine then? As thats when the problems occured soon after, around 2 weeks after having the power pipe and a week after fitting the Powertec filter. __________________ FURBY VRS: cruise, xenons, ESP, heated seats, Revo, Eibachs, Koni FSDs, PD160 pipe, Jabba rear arb, Allard EGR pipe, EGR totally removed, Powertec induction kit, Milltek full system, Garrett GT17, Forge FMIC, 17" Octy wheels, debadged, side strips removed, Seat Cupra splitter, 312mm brakes... ICE: Alpine 9835, Alpine changer, Alpine X-Type sub, Alpine MRDM1000 & MRFV340 amps, Alpine Remote Amp Controller, Boston Acoustics Pro60.... NEXT: re-remap & clutch

09-07-2007, 23:32	#13
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 6,088 Members Car: 2004 Fabia vRS TDI PD130 Thanks: 21 Thanked 50 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included Might of been registered late. Mine arrived in the UK early feb 04. But never got registered till MArch 04. __________________ John His Slow Black Diesel Powered Hatchback Hers Full Fat HotHatch with Cup suspension and spolier kit

09-07-2007, 23:51	#16
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 21,111 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 195 Thanked 1,046 Times in 928 Posts	Re: Update on Broken Pipes etc pics included I've not got time to look tonight but we all know that the EGR is very important to the BLT engine. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

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