vRS vs Arosa TDI

oliverreed · 08-01-2007, 10:39

Let an Arosa TDI start to come round me leaving a 30 into a 60.

Booted it.

Both cars seemed evenly matched.

Anyone owned one of these?

skudmissile · 08-01-2007, 12:11

i had a polo 1.4 tdi which has the same engine as the arosa which was remapped to just short of 100bhp. It Used to be able to keep up with standard vrs's up to about 70mph where they would leave me for dust. it must have been remapped or there is something wrong with your vrs!!!!

TeflonTom · 08-01-2007, 12:18

i had a lupo 1.4tdi for ages, and then a polo 1.4tdi... and it's a cracking little engine too, when a lupo/arosa tdi is remapped it would have no trouble at all keeping up with fabia vrs

Sonic1980 · 08-01-2007, 12:46

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Originally Posted by TeflonTom

i had a lupo 1.4tdi for ages, and then a polo 1.4tdi... and it's a cracking little engine too, when a lupo/arosa tdi is remapped it would have no trouble at all keeping up with fabia vrs

I agree, 1.4Tdi engine is great. Seen many A2 Tdi's travelling quite comfortably at 110 on M5...

Small car, pokey engine - great combo... thrifty too... Might just get one... downsizing is all the rage now aint it?

vrsfab · 08-01-2007, 12:47

Had one as a loan car. They are pretty light and suprisingly nippy. I would imagine it was remapped if it scared your vRS.

Joff · 08-01-2007, 13:21

Hmm, sounds interesting. Do the Lupo / Arosa TDi's come with a remotely sporty spec ala vRS?

Chrispy · 08-01-2007, 13:32

They need to do a Lupo/ Arosa GTi with the Ibiza PD 160 engine.....now THAT would kick botty cheeks.....

Even the PD130 under the bonnet would be a frightening affair.

I've seen a standard Lupo GTi going for it and that was pretty quick, mainly I imagine due to the fact they weigh the same as a crisp packet. With the torque of a TDi (especially mapped) I can believe they would scare a standard vRS to a point before the added weight and power of the vRS allows it to leave it at higher speeds.

ScoobyChris · 08-01-2007, 13:39

Just checked a Parkers claim the Arosa ways in at 965kg so I suspect in the real world it'll be very nimble (especially with it being less nose heavy than the vRS too)

Chris

Babs · 08-01-2007, 14:14

the Sport TDI is quite nippy, as is the Sport Petrol and the GTI (although I don't think there's much between the Sport and GTI in real terms)

fuirty engines in small, lightweight cars

TeflonTom · 08-01-2007, 14:24

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Originally Posted by Chrispy

I've seen a standard Lupo GTi going for it and that was pretty quick, mainly I imagine due to the fact they weigh the same as a crisp packet. With the torque of a TDi (especially mapped) I can believe they would scare a standard vRS to a point before the added weight and power of the vRS allows it to leave it at higher speeds.

if you race against a standard lupo gti in a fabia vrs you will basically get laughed at!!!

Babs · 08-01-2007, 14:53

Lupo GTI is 125bhp, and about 1050kg, with about 110lbs/ft of torque... wouldn't be long before the weight advantage was irrelevant.

You really have to wind the GIT and the Sport right out to get anywhere!

ScoobyChris · 08-01-2007, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Babs

Lupo GTI is 125bhp, and about 1050kg, with about 110lbs/ft of torque... wouldn't be long before the weight advantage was irrelevant.

Unless there were any corners or tight twisties to contend with where having a better front to back weight balance will mean you can carry lots of speed through corners. It's not all about torque

Chris

farky77 · 08-01-2007, 19:42

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Originally Posted by skudmissile

i had a polo 1.4 tdi which has the same engine as the arosa which was remapped to just short of 100bhp. It Used to be able to keep up with standard vrs's up to about 70mph where they would leave me for dust. it must have been remapped or there is something wrong with your vrs!!!!

You sure they are just short of 100bhp???

I thought they only had 75bhp?

Anyways, my mum has one, it feels a sprightly wee car but definetly doesnt feel like 100bhp!!!

stuart_hatch · 08-01-2007, 20:12

Read again, says remaped

skudmissile · 08-01-2007, 20:34

the lupo sport 1.4 16v 100bhp is a quick car, my mate at work has one and i could just about keep up with it in the polo 1.4tdi remapped, but didnt have a chance standard.

my fabia vrs leaves lupo sports and gti's in a smokey blur easliy in a straight line but they are nicley balanced little cars and have the advantage in the corners.

ScoobyChris · 08-01-2007, 20:44

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Originally Posted by skudmissile

the lupo sport 1.4 16v 100bhp is a quick car

Seriously?!

Chris

Shifty · 08-01-2007, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by skudmissile

the lupo sport 1.4 16v 100bhp is a quick car, my mate at work has one and i could just about keep up with it in the polo 1.4tdi remapped, but didnt have a chance standard.

my fabia vrs leaves lupo sports and gti's in a smokey blur easliy in a straight line but they are nicley balanced little cars and have the advantage in the corners.

Your Fabia leaves Lupo Gti's?? In a straight line?

skudmissile · 08-01-2007, 20:56

yup. my mates lupo is a 100bhp sport, very low on coilovers and has ronal 10 turbos 15inch wheels a full janspeed exhaust de-cat and pipercross induction kit and has been dynod at 111bhp. his car also keeps up with my mate gaz's lupo gti.

my vrs is remappped to approximatly/guessed 170-180bhp depending on outside temp and leaves his lupo as tho it was standing still.

its difficult to believe that a 1.9tdi five door skoda hatch is capable of such things.

people at work laughed when i bought the skoda!! having let a few of them out for a spin in it i get comments like "its not bad this" and "pulls well" all of them trying not to admit to liking the car.

ScoobyChris · 08-01-2007, 20:58

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Originally Posted by skudmissile

its difficult to believe that a 1.9tdi five door skoda hatch is capable of such things.

Mate, even my crappy rep-mobile could leave a 111bhp car behind

Chris

skudmissile · 08-01-2007, 20:59

i do think that gaz cannot drive tho as i would expect the gti to be as fast if not faster than the vrs as it has a quoted 0-60 time of 8.3 seconds

skudmissile · 08-01-2007, 21:06

yer, am not disputing that, even the tdci mondeo in standard form is quite quick.

wat i ment to say is the skoda supprises alot of ppl. i am not saying its a performance car beater as others on here have suggested (bmw 535) cos thats rubbish.

for a five door diesel hatch that weighs in at around 1300kgs its rather quick, especially remapped.

b1ackb1rd · 08-01-2007, 21:06

What's this about a Lopu being light and nimble? What utter crud, they weigh a ton and handle like a pig - ours would understeer and oversteer at the same time, and the steering was so awful nothing was felt thru the wheel.
And if you are more than 5'10" you have to drive it in the giving birth position.
So it's got a decent engine, big wup - you can't polish a turd !

skudmissile · 08-01-2007, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1ackb1rd

What's this about a Lopu being light and nimble? What utter crud, they weigh a ton and handle like a pig - ours would understeer and oversteer at the same time, and the steering was so awful nothing was felt thru the wheel.
And if you are more than 5'10" you have to drive it in the giving birth position.
So it's got a decent engine, big wup - you can't polish a turd !

wat lupo do you own? the gti is lighter than the others, iirc it has more alloy parts like bonnet etc.

Shifty · 08-01-2007, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by skudmissile

yup. my mates lupo is a 100bhp sport, very low on coilovers and has ronal 10 turbos 15inch wheels a full janspeed exhaust de-cat and pipercross induction kit and has been dynod at 111bhp. his car also keeps up with my mate gaz's lupo gti.

my vrs is remappped to approximatly/guessed 170-180bhp depending on outside temp and leaves his lupo as tho it was standing still.

its difficult to believe that a 1.9tdi five door skoda hatch is capable of such things.

people at work laughed when i bought the skoda!! having let a few of them out for a spin in it i get comments like "its not bad this" and "pulls well" all of them trying not to admit to liking the car.

Sorry, thought you meant a standard one. Yes, a remapped one would dispatch one.

Dmac1969 · 08-01-2007, 22:18

The Lupo GTi weighs 978KG and has 125BHP as standard , sounds fun! Just as a comparison , my Fabia has a kerb weight of 1190KG and 68 bhp (vRS is 1310KG).

08-01-2007, 10:39	#1
oliverreed Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 387 Members Car: Thanks: 11 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	vRS vs Arosa TDI Let an Arosa TDI start to come round me leaving a 30 into a 60. Booted it. Both cars seemed evenly matched. Anyone owned one of these?

08-01-2007, 12:11	#2
skudmissile Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,144 Members Car: Thanks: 418 Thanked 180 Times in 160 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI i had a polo 1.4 tdi which has the same engine as the arosa which was remapped to just short of 100bhp. It Used to be able to keep up with standard vrs's up to about 70mph where they would leave me for dust. it must have been remapped or there is something wrong with your vrs!!!! __________________ Run out of CASH

08-01-2007, 12:18	#3
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,387 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 53 Thanked 250 Times in 221 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI i had a lupo 1.4tdi for ages, and then a polo 1.4tdi... and it's a cracking little engine too, when a lupo/arosa tdi is remapped it would have no trouble at all keeping up with fabia vrs

08-01-2007, 12:47	#5
vrsfab Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Notts Posts: 800 Members Car: vRS Fabia Thanks: 2 Thanked 27 Times in 15 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI Had one as a loan car. They are pretty light and suprisingly nippy. I would imagine it was remapped if it scared your vRS. __________________ Rich - Black Magic Fabia vRS

08-01-2007, 13:21	#6
Joff Dervlova Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cloud cuckoo land Posts: 1,184 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 59 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI Hmm, sounds interesting. Do the Lupo / Arosa TDi's come with a remotely sporty spec ala vRS? __________________ A kitten is killed every time you don't use the search Last edited by Joff; 08-01-2007 at 13:23.

08-01-2007, 13:32	#7
Chrispy Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Normanton, West Yorks Posts: 1,766 Members Car: 2004 Fabia vRS Thanks: 38 Thanked 68 Times in 57 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI They need to do a Lupo/ Arosa GTi with the Ibiza PD 160 engine.....now THAT would kick botty cheeks..... Even the PD130 under the bonnet would be a frightening affair. I've seen a standard Lupo GTi going for it and that was pretty quick, mainly I imagine due to the fact they weigh the same as a crisp packet. With the torque of a TDi (especially mapped) I can believe they would scare a standard vRS to a point before the added weight and power of the vRS allows it to leave it at higher speeds. __________________ Silver '04 Fabia vRS. Jabba Custom Remap, Seat Surgeons Leather interior, Whiteline RARB, Cupra Console Bushes Last edited by Chrispy; 08-01-2007 at 13:34.

08-01-2007, 13:39	#8
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,265 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 16 Thanked 352 Times in 303 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI Just checked a Parkers claim the Arosa ways in at 965kg so I suspect in the real world it'll be very nimble (especially with it being less nose heavy than the vRS too) Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

08-01-2007, 14:14	#9
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Preston Posts: 4,227 Members Car: Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 16v Comfort Thanks: 221 Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI the Sport TDI is quite nippy, as is the Sport Petrol and the GTI (although I don't think there's much between the Sport and GTI in real terms) fuirty engines in small, lightweight cars __________________ - Andrew In need of a new car, post your suggestions here!

08-01-2007, 14:53	#11
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Preston Posts: 4,227 Members Car: Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 16v Comfort Thanks: 221 Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI Lupo GTI is 125bhp, and about 1050kg, with about 110lbs/ft of torque... wouldn't be long before the weight advantage was irrelevant. You really have to wind the GIT and the Sport right out to get anywhere! __________________ - Andrew In need of a new car, post your suggestions here!

08-01-2007, 20:12	#14
stuart_hatch Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 674 Members Car: Fabia Thanks: 1 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI Read again, says remaped __________________

08-01-2007, 20:34	#15
skudmissile Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,144 Members Car: Thanks: 418 Thanked 180 Times in 160 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI the lupo sport 1.4 16v 100bhp is a quick car, my mate at work has one and i could just about keep up with it in the polo 1.4tdi remapped, but didnt have a chance standard. my fabia vrs leaves lupo sports and gti's in a smokey blur easliy in a straight line but they are nicley balanced little cars and have the advantage in the corners. __________________ Run out of CASH

08-01-2007, 20:56	#18
skudmissile Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,144 Members Car: Thanks: 418 Thanked 180 Times in 160 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI yup. my mates lupo is a 100bhp sport, very low on coilovers and has ronal 10 turbos 15inch wheels a full janspeed exhaust de-cat and pipercross induction kit and has been dynod at 111bhp. his car also keeps up with my mate gaz's lupo gti. my vrs is remappped to approximatly/guessed 170-180bhp depending on outside temp and leaves his lupo as tho it was standing still. its difficult to believe that a 1.9tdi five door skoda hatch is capable of such things. people at work laughed when i bought the skoda!! having let a few of them out for a spin in it i get comments like "its not bad this" and "pulls well" all of them trying not to admit to liking the car. __________________ Run out of CASH

08-01-2007, 20:59	#20
skudmissile Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,144 Members Car: Thanks: 418 Thanked 180 Times in 160 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI i do think that gaz cannot drive tho as i would expect the gti to be as fast if not faster than the vrs as it has a quoted 0-60 time of 8.3 seconds __________________ Run out of CASH

08-01-2007, 21:06	#21
skudmissile Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,144 Members Car: Thanks: 418 Thanked 180 Times in 160 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI yer, am not disputing that, even the tdci mondeo in standard form is quite quick. wat i ment to say is the skoda supprises alot of ppl. i am not saying its a performance car beater as others on here have suggested (bmw 535) cos thats rubbish. for a five door diesel hatch that weighs in at around 1300kgs its rather quick, especially remapped. __________________ Run out of CASH

08-01-2007, 21:06	#22
b1ackb1rd Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 302 Members Car: Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI What's this about a Lopu being light and nimble? What utter crud, they weigh a ton and handle like a pig - ours would understeer and oversteer at the same time, and the steering was so awful nothing was felt thru the wheel. And if you are more than 5'10" you have to drive it in the giving birth position. So it's got a decent engine, big wup - you can't polish a turd !

08-01-2007, 22:18	#25
Dmac1969 Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Berwick upon Tweed , Northumberland. Posts: 2,564 Members Car: Fabia 1.4 MPi Comfort Images: 1 Thanks: 21 Thanked 66 Times in 53 Posts	Re: vRS vs Arosa TDI The Lupo GTi weighs 978KG and has 125BHP as standard , sounds fun! Just as a comparison , my Fabia has a kerb weight of 1190KG and 68 bhp (vRS is 1310KG). __________________ Duncan - England's most Northerly Briskodian! 2000/V reg Fabia 1.4 Mpi Comfort-Dynamic Blue Ex Octavia vRS and Octavia Slxi 1.8T.

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