Warm Weather & the PD 130 Engine

Johnwg · 08-07-2005, 19:32

Is it just me

or is the old 130bhp PD TDi not fond of the warm weather that we have experienced in the North West today

. Drove to work this morning when it was cool and it was its usual fairly refined, smooth and powerful self

, drove home this evening and it was no where near as responsive and was chucking out a load more soot

JUT · 08-07-2005, 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnwg

Is it just me

or is the old 130bhp PD TDi not fond of the warm weather that we have experienced in the North West today

. Drove to work this morning when it was cool and it was its usual fairly refined, smooth and powerful self

, drove home this evening and it was no where near as responsive and was chucking out a load more soot

I'm a shandy-drinking southern fairy but I agree

WW_VRS · 08-07-2005, 20:14

It's why I will be signing up for the FMIC GB as soon as Neo_VR has finished help testing it

ScoobyChris · 08-07-2005, 21:37

It's a result of heat soak. Either go for a FMIC or opt for a water-spray system to keep the existing intercooler ... er ... cooler

Chris

Dave_Fox · 08-07-2005, 22:26

Can you actually see soot in the rear view when you boot it because I dont notice any or a drop in performance

beeftech · 08-07-2005, 23:20

Notice mine is lacking somewhat in the heat, but not noticed any excess soot!!!

Johnwg · 08-07-2005, 23:32

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Originally Posted by Dave_Fox

Can you actually see soot in the rear view when you boot it because I dont notice any or a drop in performance

Sure can mate..........

***Neo_VR*** · 08-07-2005, 23:33

Go on then... heres what ya need to cure it

Johnwg · 08-07-2005, 23:35

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Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Go on then... heres what ya need to cure it

F'in Hell, how much extra weight does that add ????? Have no intention of upgrading my front suspension to something a-kin to that of a Challenger Tank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnwg · 08-07-2005, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

It's a result of heat soak.

Chris

What's that

Sounds like some sort of new bath foam from Radox !!!

***Neo_VR*** · 08-07-2005, 23:49

Its made out of alloy, so ill bet it weighs less than the original (small) sidemount item... it weighs about 2 or 3kg..

Its a front mounted intercooler. it cools the air that goes into the engine

Heatsoak is when the engine is affected by the heat of the air going into it.. because hot air is less dense, so doesnt combust as strongly, the engine has to start lowering turbo boost levels and fuelling to keep optimal running.. which to the driver feels like the engine is being lethargic and down on power..
my front mount cools the air alot, so everyday is like a ice cold winter morning for me.. car is always running at its most efficant

Johnwg · 08-07-2005, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Its made out of alloy, so ill bet it weighs less than the original (small) sidemount item... it weighs about 2 or 3kg..

Its a front mounted intercooler. it cools the air that goes into the engine

Sounds good, take it you had it custom built? Please forgive my lack of technical knowledge, as you probably can tell I'm no mechanic !! Take it that will make on hell of a difference then?

FabiaTDi · 08-07-2005, 23:56

Is that the 50mm depth version there Colin? - i see the mounting lugs seem to have been adjusted - looks better..

***Neo_VR*** · 09-07-2005, 00:04

Matt: yes it is the 50mm ver. mounting lugs are same, but the whole i/c is lower down.. leaves scope for adjustment

Johnwg:
no worries.. im not exactly up on the tecchy knowledge either.. it looks good and works well... this one is nearing 3x the capacity of the standard side mount.. Its not custom built, its the development model for Forge.. who will be running a briskoda group buy on them soon

FabiaTDi · 09-07-2005, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

who will be running a briskoda group buy on them soon

this waiting is killing me.. lol!

***Neo_VR*** · 09-07-2005, 00:25

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Originally Posted by FabiaTDi

this waiting is killing me.. lol!

patience young padwan

We have to make sure its ready to unleash to the good briskodians..
its about getting a balance between cooling efficience without causing too much turbo lag.. it could swing either way at the moment.

beeftech · 09-07-2005, 00:30

Mmmm BFOFMIC!!! Me Want

Mort · 09-07-2005, 00:32

If possible, please keep testing until my bank account is healthy enough to have my name on the Group Buy.

WW_VRS · 09-07-2005, 08:38

What kinda timescales are we talking about, roughly? One or two months tops ?

carefree · 09-07-2005, 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_Fox

Can you actually see soot in the rear view when you boot it because I dont notice any or a drop in performance

Hmmm, even when it was 31/32 degrees my vRS was as fast/responsive with deffo no more soot

WW_VRS · 09-07-2005, 10:20

Depends on how you drive it too - but even I noticed it smoking badly, and normally I hardly ever get that.

The car is definitely slower / prone to heatsoak during warm days when you do a bit of accelerate/slow-cycling..

***Neo_VR*** · 09-07-2005, 10:26

Yes it does depend how you drive it..
There is definately a performance drop in hot weather.. the engine seems "wooley" and sluggish..
it will smoke a bit more.. but just wait if you get intake or fuel temps up to the 90c trigger temp

JUT · 09-07-2005, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

...Heatsoak is when the engine is affected by the heat of the air going into it.. because hot air is less dense, so doesnt combust as strongly, the engine has to start lowering turbo boost levels and fuelling to keep optimal running.. which to the driver feels like the engine is being lethargic and down on power..

I thought (on petrol cars at least) heatsoak causes overfuelling? I.E. boost reduced and fuelling increased to combat detonation, which is why there's more smoke and generally your fuel economy is crapper?

Glider · 09-07-2005, 12:17

Mine is smokin badly above 4k in this warm weather but it's only in 4th and 5th, havn't tried it in 6th. Must be when the load / drag increased, it's enough to put other drivers off driving too close.

WW_VRS · 09-07-2005, 12:43

Diesel not burning properly causes the smog screen stuff

If you plant it at low revs in a high gear you'll see what I mean. Better to drop a cog, rev it up a bit more.

@black magic - I'd hope you dont get up to 4k in those gears on a public road

08-07-2005, 19:32	#1
Johnwg Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Lakes (Grange Over Sands) Posts: 2,132 Members Car: Octavia II VRS (2.0L PD TDI) Thanks: 70 Thanked 59 Times in 58 Posts	Warm Weather & the PD 130 Engine Is it just me or is the old 130bhp PD TDi not fond of the warm weather that we have experienced in the North West today . Drove to work this morning when it was cool and it was its usual fairly refined, smooth and powerful self , drove home this evening and it was no where near as responsive and was chucking out a load more soot __________________ 2007: Octavia II VRS TDI in Black Last edited by Johnwg; 08-07-2005 at 19:46.

08-07-2005, 20:14	#3
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,961 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 48 Thanked 92 Times in 82 Posts	It's why I will be signing up for the FMIC GB as soon as Neo_VR has finished help testing it __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

08-07-2005, 21:37	#4
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,265 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 16 Thanked 352 Times in 303 Posts	It's a result of heat soak. Either go for a FMIC or opt for a water-spray system to keep the existing intercooler ... er ... cooler Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

08-07-2005, 23:20	#6
beeftech Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North East Posts: 1,516 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Notice mine is lacking somewhat in the heat, but not noticed any excess soot!!! __________________ '05 Corrida Red Fabia vRS: Revo'd to 185Bhp '90 Nugget Yellow Corrado 1.8T: KO4S and 265bhp

08-07-2005, 23:49	#11
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,614 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 85 Thanked 182 Times in 131 Posts	Its made out of alloy, so ill bet it weighs less than the original (small) sidemount item... it weighs about 2 or 3kg.. Its a front mounted intercooler. it cools the air that goes into the engine Heatsoak is when the engine is affected by the heat of the air going into it.. because hot air is less dense, so doesnt combust as strongly, the engine has to start lowering turbo boost levels and fuelling to keep optimal running.. which to the driver feels like the engine is being lethargic and down on power.. my front mount cools the air alot, so everyday is like a ice cold winter morning for me.. car is always running at its most efficant __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY?? Last edited by Neo_VR; 08-07-2005 at 23:52.

08-07-2005, 22:26	#5
Dave_Fox Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,027 Members Car: Vauxhall Astra VXR Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Can you actually see soot in the rear view when you boot it because I dont notice any or a drop in performance

08-07-2005, 23:56	#13
FabiaTDi VT5 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,001 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is that the 50mm depth version there Colin? - i see the mounting lugs seem to have been adjusted - looks better.. __________________ Was: 2003 Allard Tuned Fabia vRS VT5 Turbo Conversion Now: 2008 Audi A3 Sportback TDI

09-07-2005, 00:04	#14
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,614 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 85 Thanked 182 Times in 131 Posts	Matt: yes it is the 50mm ver. mounting lugs are same, but the whole i/c is lower down.. leaves scope for adjustment Johnwg: no worries.. im not exactly up on the tecchy knowledge either.. it looks good and works well... this one is nearing 3x the capacity of the standard side mount.. Its not custom built, its the development model for Forge.. who will be running a briskoda group buy on them soon __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

09-07-2005, 00:30	#17
beeftech Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North East Posts: 1,516 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Mmmm BFOFMIC!!! Me Want __________________ '05 Corrida Red Fabia vRS: Revo'd to 185Bhp '90 Nugget Yellow Corrado 1.8T: KO4S and 265bhp

09-07-2005, 00:32	#18
Mort Broom Broom! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Derby, England Posts: 1,449 Members Car: Fabia vRS (red '03) Thanks: 9 Thanked 47 Times in 45 Posts	If possible, please keep testing until my bank account is healthy enough to have my name on the Group Buy. __________________ Fabia v/RS, in Red. Green filter & Cupra Intake, TT brakes, Josh's Sumpguard, Jabba ARB, MOMO strut brace, Powdercoated alloys. KW v1's next...

09-07-2005, 08:38	#19
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,961 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 48 Thanked 92 Times in 82 Posts	What kinda timescales are we talking about, roughly? One or two months tops ? __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

09-07-2005, 10:20	#21
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,961 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 48 Thanked 92 Times in 82 Posts	Depends on how you drive it too - but even I noticed it smoking badly, and normally I hardly ever get that. The car is definitely slower / prone to heatsoak during warm days when you do a bit of accelerate/slow-cycling.. __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

09-07-2005, 10:26	#22
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,614 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 85 Thanked 182 Times in 131 Posts	Yes it does depend how you drive it.. There is definately a performance drop in hot weather.. the engine seems "wooley" and sluggish.. it will smoke a bit more.. but just wait if you get intake or fuel temps up to the 90c trigger temp __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

09-07-2005, 12:17	#24
Glider Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 2,445 Members Car: Thanks: 5 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts	Mine is smokin badly above 4k in this warm weather but it's only in 4th and 5th, havn't tried it in 6th. Must be when the load / drag increased, it's enough to put other drivers off driving too close.

09-07-2005, 12:43	#25
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,961 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 48 Thanked 92 Times in 82 Posts	Diesel not burning properly causes the smog screen stuff If you plant it at low revs in a high gear you'll see what I mean. Better to drop a cog, rev it up a bit more. @black magic - I'd hope you dont get up to 4k in those gears on a public road __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

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