What are the best tyres?

Thirdtimeluck · 10-07-2006, 21:11

Hello all.

I have a fabia 2.0 elegance tuned by amg 135bhp 150 ft lb torque with koni adjustable suspention on eibach fast road springs. I also has a seat strut brace, a vrs anti roll bar, a Janspeed stainless steal backbox adn a K&N filter.

I am currently using bridgestone ponzers - which are starting to wear low and am curess to what tryes to guys have on you rides?
I am looking for good wet and dry grip (mostly dry) and slowish wear.
I run 195/50 r15 atm. I have heard alot about goodyear f1 eagals... are they good?

Makefish · 10-07-2006, 21:38

Goodyear Eagle F1's are indeed an excellent tyre, but along with many of the performance tyres they arn't particularly hardwearing. For a more hard wearing 'performance' tyre, I would suggest that either Michelin Pilot Exalto's or Pirelli's P6000 Powergy may be a more suitable option.

ChrisRs · 10-07-2006, 21:41

Khumo Ecsta's. ... Great price good all round very hard wearing tyre

Joff · 11-07-2006, 00:39

Ecsta's are a budget tyre though, no where near the performance of the Michelin Pilots.

The best wearing tyres I've found are Compomotive Contisports and have had pretty reasonable grip.

Yoko 539s are soft as you like, Pirelli PZero Nero's were better.

Currently using Eagle F1s (GSD3) so I guess only time will tell.

Stuart_J · 11-07-2006, 05:46

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Originally Posted by Makefish

Goodyear Eagle F1's are indeed an excellent tyre, but along with many of the performance tyres they arn't particularly hardwearing. For a more hard wearing 'performance' tyre, I would suggest that either Michelin Pilot Exalto's or Pirelli's P6000 Powergy may be a more suitable option.

We run Toyos on the 4x4 Octy (350 bhp) for performance but they only last about 10000 a set, the L&K has P6000's & they seem to last for ages yet still give good alround grip but nothing fantastic

Remember if you are only buying 2 tyres with a front wheel drive car the new ones always go on the back.

Joff · 11-07-2006, 08:47

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Originally Posted by Stuart_J

Remember if you are only buying 2 tyres with a front wheel drive car the new ones always go on the back.

I thought this was only for Joe public so they didn't have a massive difference in grip at the front from a worn tire to a brand new one?

Stuart_J · 11-07-2006, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Joff

I thought this was only for Joe public so they didn't have a massive difference in grip at the front from a worn tire to a brand new one?

On a FWD car if your front tyres are worn but the back are good when you go through corners too quickly you will get understeer which should sort itself out when you lift off the gas

With good front tyres & poor rears you can corner faster but the back might break away IF HOWEVER you reach understeer & lift off the weight is transfered to the front of the car, the rear is very likely to loose grip completely & the car will spin with the resulting accident

**TaviaRS** · 11-07-2006, 10:02

Pirelli P7 or P Zero Nero would be my choice, with the latter being first pick.

I know it is wrong but I always put the new ones on the front

Schern · 11-07-2006, 11:11

I'm always slightly confused by this... tyres are the same rubber all the way through right? They don't lose grip as they get older (unless we're talking silly old). They just wear the tread pattern down... ah, kind of answered my query here. In the wet it would make a difference, as you have less depth of tread for water to squash into which could result in aquaplaning, but in the dry I can't see it making any difference at all.

Joff · 11-07-2006, 11:34

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Originally Posted by TaviaRS

I know it is wrong but I always put the new ones on the front

Same here, but that's because with my driving the fronts don't stay good for long

**TaviaRS** · 11-07-2006, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schern

I'm always slightly confused by this... tyres are the same rubber all the way through right? They don't lose grip as they get older (unless we're talking silly old). They just wear the tread pattern down... ah, kind of answered my query here. In the wet it would make a difference, as you have less depth of tread for water to squash into which could result in aquaplaning, but in the dry I can't see it making any difference at all.

Ah, but they do have different compounds, well some do anyway

German tyres in particular are "bad" for this, especially if buying in the UK. Here the legal limit is 1.6mm IIRC, in Germany it is 3mm. Buy a set of Dunlops or Continentals and you will notice a marked deterioration in grip when you get to the 3mm, especially in the wet. I noticed this loss of grip and couldn't work out why it was so. It was only when talking to a German friend about tyre depths in the UK (he noticed that mine were at about 2mm when at the Ring) and he told me they were illegal in Germany. So, there ya go

Mil · 11-07-2006, 15:44

You got pics of your car?

**TaviaRS** · 11-07-2006, 15:48

Yes thank you. Have you got any of yours?

Makefish · 11-07-2006, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

Pirelli P7 or P Zero Nero would be my choice, with the latter being first pick.

I know it is wrong but I always put the new ones on the front

Pirelli don't make a P Zero Nero in the size of wheel he's got (195/50/R15)!.

Goochie · 11-07-2006, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joff

Ecsta's are a budget tyre though, no where near the performance of the Michelin Pilots.

Are you basing that on any personal experience or just a load of tosh?

Now the Ecstas have scrubbed up on the Octavia they are very very good indeed

Unlike the Michelin Pilots or Continentals that we've had on there before.

Get the Kumho. Great tyre, great price.

WW_VRS · 11-07-2006, 18:25

The GY Eagle F1s I found particularly sh!te until they had at least 5k on them driving at fair pace on motorways when the road was dry, grip was awful during cornering and the sidewalls appeared to collapse rather too easily.

In the dry the Conti SC IIs were (30 mph faster during cornering) better BUT in the wet you had to be very careful.

The GY Eagle F1 (GSD3 as well, just to clarify) are now behaving themselves and/or I've got used to them and they're very consistent in how the car feels. Did get a full set at the same time to be safe though.

3mm is as low as I'd be willing to go anyway, below that most tyres won't have sufficient grip in the wet, although on the track in the dry they could be fine, hard to say as I tend to change them before that happens

Shifty · 11-07-2006, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_J

With good front tyres & poor rears you can corner faster but the back might break away IF HOWEVER you reach understeer & lift off the weight is transfered to the front of the car, the rear is very likely to loose grip completely & the car will slide, resulting in a big cheesy grin

Oh yeah

ChrisRs · 11-07-2006, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goochie

Are you basing that on any personal experience or just a load of tosh?

Now the Ecstas have scrubbed up on the Octavia they are very very good indeed

Unlike the Michelin Pilots or Continentals that we've had on there before.

Get the Kumho. Great tyre, great price.

Personal experience. I had the rear of my Megane shod with them. (Long story) For the price I dont think they can be beaten. Why pay more for similar results. THEY ARE GOOD

When my Bridgestones are worn out, and it wont be long the way I drive, Its Khumos here we come!Again

Goochie · 12-07-2006, 08:40

I think we're missing the point here guys - since when did AMG start tuning n/a Skodas ?

cheezemonkhai · 12-07-2006, 09:50

I seriously rate the pilot exalto tyres.

A very good compromise on price vs the sport and stunning levels of grip, especially in the wet. (This doesn't mean drive like a loon in the wet, just means it holds on v well). They are pretty hard wearing too.

Re AMG, maybe they mean AMD

ScoobyChris · 12-07-2006, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheezemonkhai

Re AMG, maybe they mean AMD

Even so 20bhp is serious gains from a N/A petrol engine!!!

Chris

cheezemonkhai · 12-07-2006, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

Even so 20bhp is serious gains from a N/A petrol engine!!!

Chris

True, for some reason i though 1.9 PD130 even though it quite clearly says 2.0 elegance.

Thinking of that did they ever put the 2.0 petrol in a furby?

ScoobyChris · 12-07-2006, 10:35

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Originally Posted by cheezemonkhai

Thinking of that did they ever put the 2.0 petrol in a furby?

Yup 2.0-8v putting out 115bhp. A few members on here have them, but none have been tuned as far as I know (well apart from Mil's with a replacement panel filter

)

Chris

JON_XL · 12-07-2006, 17:24

I have spent a fair few pennies on tyres in the last 18 months (265 40 19s on the rear of my Z3 Mcoupe ), The besult allround tyre i have experienced is the bridgestone RE050 best conmpromise performance tyre, Good in the wet, Amazing in the dry acceptable wear.

However the best tyre is a michelin pilot sport cup crap tread wear suicidal in the wet in the dry what can i say took 25 seconds out of my best ring time.

For example last sweeping right of the ring (05 golf Gti stage 3 AMD 290bhp) on bridegstone RE050's 90 mph understeer.

Cup sports 110mph run out of power. AWESOME TYRES why won't the four in my shed fit the fabia !

Wheels and tyres are a good way to drasticlly effect the performance of a car any reduction in unsprung mass is a big plus along with increased adhesion a good wheel and tyre package can be worth upto 30bhp on a circuit.

IIRC 1 kg of unsprung mass is equivalent to around a 3 bhp gain so 2.5 kg off a standard wheel & tyre combo is not unusal.

my 2p worth

Thirdtimeluck · 12-07-2006, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mil

You got pics of your car?

I have now - in the main "fabia" forum.

You have a 2.0l elegance as well then eh?

You say you got 137 out of her with just a k&n filter - so like 120bhp max..
I have 135

As for the tyres, I think I'm gonna go with the Goodyear f1 Eagles - they come highly recommended my many of my mates.

10-07-2006, 21:11	#1
Thirdtimeluck Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oxford/London Posts: 802 Members Car: 2.0l fabia elegance Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What are the best tyres? Hello all. I have a fabia 2.0 elegance tuned by amg 135bhp 150 ft lb torque with koni adjustable suspention on eibach fast road springs. I also has a seat strut brace, a vrs anti roll bar, a Janspeed stainless steal backbox adn a K&N filter. I am currently using bridgestone ponzers - which are starting to wear low and am curess to what tryes to guys have on you rides? I am looking for good wet and dry grip (mostly dry) and slowish wear. I run 195/50 r15 atm. I have heard alot about goodyear f1 eagals... are they good? Last edited by Thirdtimeluck; 10-07-2006 at 21:39.

10-07-2006, 21:38	#2
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,292 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 189 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? Goodyear Eagle F1's are indeed an excellent tyre, but along with many of the performance tyres they arn't particularly hardwearing. For a more hard wearing 'performance' tyre, I would suggest that either Michelin Pilot Exalto's or Pirelli's P6000 Powergy may be a more suitable option. __________________ New Car: Saab 9-3 TTiD Aero in Jet Black coming Jan 09 JKM ROLLING ROAD DAY - Sat 7th February .............everyone welcome

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ChrisRs Skonda Fabic Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,962 Members Car: Honda Civic 2.2 i-ctdi Type S GT Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? Khumo Ecsta's. ... Great price good all round very hard wearing tyre

11-07-2006, 00:39	#4
Joff Dervlova Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cloud cuckoo land Posts: 1,184 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 59 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? Ecsta's are a budget tyre though, no where near the performance of the Michelin Pilots. The best wearing tyres I've found are Compomotive Contisports and have had pretty reasonable grip. Yoko 539s are soft as you like, Pirelli PZero Nero's were better. Currently using Eagle F1s (GSD3) so I guess only time will tell.

11-07-2006, 10:02	#8
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,940 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 43 Times in 39 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? Pirelli P7 or P Zero Nero would be my choice, with the latter being first pick. I know it is wrong but I always put the new ones on the front __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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Schern Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Peterborough Posts: 746 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? I'm always slightly confused by this... tyres are the same rubber all the way through right? They don't lose grip as they get older (unless we're talking silly old). They just wear the tread pattern down... ah, kind of answered my query here. In the wet it would make a difference, as you have less depth of tread for water to squash into which could result in aquaplaning, but in the dry I can't see it making any difference at all. __________________

11-07-2006, 15:44	#12
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,807 Members Car: Weichers strut, K&N panel filter, GT bodykit, GT tailpipe, Falken tyres Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? You got pics of your car? __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government

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TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,940 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 43 Times in 39 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? Yes thank you. Have you got any of yours? __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,961 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 48 Thanked 92 Times in 82 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? The GY Eagle F1s I found particularly sh!te until they had at least 5k on them driving at fair pace on motorways when the road was dry, grip was awful during cornering and the sidewalls appeared to collapse rather too easily. In the dry the Conti SC IIs were (30 mph faster during cornering) better BUT in the wet you had to be very careful. The GY Eagle F1 (GSD3 as well, just to clarify) are now behaving themselves and/or I've got used to them and they're very consistent in how the car feels. Did get a full set at the same time to be safe though. 3mm is as low as I'd be willing to go anyway, below that most tyres won't have sufficient grip in the wet, although on the track in the dry they could be fine, hard to say as I tend to change them before that happens __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

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Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? I think we're missing the point here guys - since when did AMG start tuning n/a Skodas ?

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cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,865 Members Car: Thanks: 139 Thanked 549 Times in 502 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? I seriously rate the pilot exalto tyres. A very good compromise on price vs the sport and stunning levels of grip, especially in the wet. (This doesn't mean drive like a loon in the wet, just means it holds on v well). They are pretty hard wearing too. Re AMG, maybe they mean AMD __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment. Last edited by cheezemonkhai; 12-07-2006 at 09:52.

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JON_XL Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Garden of England Posts: 12 Members Car: 06 Fabia Vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What are the best tyres? I have spent a fair few pennies on tyres in the last 18 months (265 40 19s on the rear of my Z3 Mcoupe ), The besult allround tyre i have experienced is the bridgestone RE050 best conmpromise performance tyre, Good in the wet, Amazing in the dry acceptable wear. However the best tyre is a michelin pilot sport cup crap tread wear suicidal in the wet in the dry what can i say took 25 seconds out of my best ring time. For example last sweeping right of the ring (05 golf Gti stage 3 AMD 290bhp) on bridegstone RE050's 90 mph understeer. Cup sports 110mph run out of power. AWESOME TYRES why won't the four in my shed fit the fabia ! Wheels and tyres are a good way to drasticlly effect the performance of a car any reduction in unsprung mass is a big plus along with increased adhesion a good wheel and tyre package can be worth upto 30bhp on a circuit. IIRC 1 kg of unsprung mass is equivalent to around a 3 bhp gain so 2.5 kg off a standard wheel & tyre combo is not unusal. my 2p worth __________________ 06 Fabia vRS.

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