What Brakes/Pads/Fluid/Hoses for my vRS?

HellFire · 07-02-2005, 18:24

I'm going for the 312mm brake upgrade on my Fabia vRS at the end of the month, what would you recommend as the best brakes/pads to get? the standard Octavia vRS ones or some uprated ones such as EBC/Black Diamond?

Also, what fluid have people used on their cars and what gives the best results. I know they vary from DOT 4 to 5.1, but that's not all the story and would like to know peoples opinion on which one works best.

Also, as for braided hoses? are they a worthwhile upgrade and at what cost? It seems like there is no point in upgrading the brakes to this extent and leaving the poxy standard vRS ones on...

Thanks for peoples input

.

walkie · 07-02-2005, 19:05

EBC Turbogroove disks are very good, and make a lovely noise under heavy braking...

HellFire · 07-02-2005, 20:06

Lovely noise?

walkie · 07-02-2005, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellFire

Lovely noise?

Like a WW2 jet or something

HellFire · 07-02-2005, 23:43

You've got your signiture spot on, I just had to click it, boy you should be a sales rep.

walkie · 08-02-2005, 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellFire

You've got your signiture spot on, I just had to click it, boy you should be a sales rep.

I do hope that's not sarcasm...

...It's what every man needs

**TaviaRS** · 08-02-2005, 09:00

Hellfire,

Black Diamond disks
Ferodo DS2500 pads
Super DOT 4 fluid, either Castrol or Silkolene Pro Race 2000 (if your pockets are deep). Why Super DOT4? Well, it is fully compatible with what you have now unlike DOT5, it has a dry boiling point only a couple of degrees below the DOT5 but the wet boiling point is higher. It will also allow you to stick to the usual Skoda recomended change interval of 40k miles. DOT 5 fluid needs to be changed more frequentsly, eg Castrol SRF needs to be changed every 6-10k miles and at £22 for 500ml it gets expensive.

***ncarring*** · 08-02-2005, 09:04

The hoses mummy, tell them about the hoses mummy....

**TaviaRS** · 08-02-2005, 09:07

Hoses?

Don't bother changing them unless you are changing the callipers and need different connectors. The standard hoses are reinforced already (essentially brided hoses) with a rubber sheath on the outside. Save the £60 for a hose kit and get some DS2500 pads for the rear to improve your braking even further. So, final check list:

DS2500 pads all round
Super DOT 4 fluid (Castrol or Pro Race)
Black diamond discs.

HTH

Nigel26 · 08-02-2005, 13:31

for the black diamonds... which type would you recommend the lad??

i used cross drilled ones once and they warped... (not on the vRS though)

**tfboy** · 08-02-2005, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

(essentially brided hoses) with a rubber sheath on the outside.

Well, if they're brided, why bother with the rubber sheath

On a serious note though, I'd second Jon even though he only drives an sdi octy taxi.

Had DS2500 pads on the front with super dot 4 on my ex furby and it was awesome. What I didn't do was change the rear pads or use diamond discs on the front - I just got some OEM 312mm discs. They didn't warp but I think Colin (neo_vr) has managed to get brake fade and warp them under severe abuse

If I were to do it again on my next furby (when I find one

), I'd think about changing the rear pads too to try and even out the braking a bit. The DS2500 bite so damn hard that it really tends to make the car nose heavy under hard braking

HellFire · 08-02-2005, 14:06

Cool, thanks for the input, however I suppose even normal Octavia vRS 312mm discs & pads will be more than sufficient to slow me down

mcbunny · 08-02-2005, 14:12

tavia your getting confused between dot 5 and 5.1 i think

check to see if performance friction do some pads for the 312mm setup the pads are awsome and you get sparks when stamping on the brakes lol

**TaviaRS** · 08-02-2005, 14:20

Trouble with the PF carbon metallics is that they knacker your wheels and can damage paintwork, unless you clean afetr pretty much each trip. Much like the DS3000s. Primarily a competition pad, hopeless when cold, noisey, dusty destroy disks etc etc Ran them on mine, awesome stopping power but the downsides far outweighed the upsides for fast road use.

Standard disks are fine, but do change the pads to the Ferrodos, or if skint the Pagid Blues.

Re the fluid, DOT5 and 5.1 are fairly similar. Both do offer better dry boiling points but go "wet" quicker and don't offer as good wet boiling points as the Super 4.1. Beside which, a decent 5 or 5.1 is damned expensive.

Go for the grooved BD disks.

**tfboy** · 08-02-2005, 14:22

OEM 312mm discs are about £80 inc vat and delivery new. Ferodo DS2500 pads are about £100 for a front set. Don't know how much the rear ones are.

I'd seriously consider looking at the rear. The massive difference in braking performance between front and rear when you change the front only can lead to a slightly more "entertaining" drive when braking and turning at the same time

faboka vrs · 08-02-2005, 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by tfboy

OEM 312mm discs are about £80 inc vat and delivery new. Ferodo DS2500 pads are about £100 for a front set. Don't know how much the rear ones are.

I'd seriously consider looking at the rear. The massive difference in braking performance between front and rear when you change the front only can lead to a slightly more "entertaining" drive when braking and turning at the same time

Might look into this also.

mcbunny · 08-02-2005, 14:36

my mate doesnt seem to have had any problems with cold stopping really and not any problems with the sparks melting paintwork either as far as im aware

faboka vrs · 08-02-2005, 14:37

mcbunny · 08-02-2005, 14:45

thats on groved disks tho aswell so wouldnt be as bad on standard discs

HellFire · 09-02-2005, 12:14

/\/\
Roflmao

Nigel26 · 11-02-2005, 13:24

i can just see the look on plods face as you brake going passed him....

"excuse me sir but did you know your brakes are on fire??"

mcbunny · 11-02-2005, 13:34

lol but they dont half stop you

07-02-2005, 18:24	#1
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	What Brakes/Pads/Fluid/Hoses for my vRS? I'm going for the 312mm brake upgrade on my Fabia vRS at the end of the month, what would you recommend as the best brakes/pads to get? the standard Octavia vRS ones or some uprated ones such as EBC/Black Diamond? Also, what fluid have people used on their cars and what gives the best results. I know they vary from DOT 4 to 5.1, but that's not all the story and would like to know peoples opinion on which one works best. Also, as for braided hoses? are they a worthwhile upgrade and at what cost? It seems like there is no point in upgrading the brakes to this extent and leaving the poxy standard vRS ones on... Thanks for peoples input . __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

07-02-2005, 19:05	#2
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07-02-2005, 20:06	#3
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Lovely noise? __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

07-02-2005, 23:43	#5
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	You've got your signiture spot on, I just had to click it, boy you should be a sales rep. __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

08-02-2005, 09:00	#7
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,940 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 43 Times in 39 Posts	Hellfire, Black Diamond disks Ferodo DS2500 pads Super DOT 4 fluid, either Castrol or Silkolene Pro Race 2000 (if your pockets are deep). Why Super DOT4? Well, it is fully compatible with what you have now unlike DOT5, it has a dry boiling point only a couple of degrees below the DOT5 but the wet boiling point is higher. It will also allow you to stick to the usual Skoda recomended change interval of 40k miles. DOT 5 fluid needs to be changed more frequentsly, eg Castrol SRF needs to be changed every 6-10k miles and at £22 for 500ml it gets expensive. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

08-02-2005, 09:04	#8
*ncarring* Don't talk, drive! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The B roads of Britain Posts: 13,023 Members Car: 1983 Porsche 928S / 1972 MGB GT Thanks: 20 Thanked 100 Times in 83 Posts	The hoses mummy, tell them about the hoses mummy.... __________________ Nick North Wiltshire RoADAR

08-02-2005, 09:07	#9
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,940 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 43 Times in 39 Posts	Hoses? Don't bother changing them unless you are changing the callipers and need different connectors. The standard hoses are reinforced already (essentially brided hoses) with a rubber sheath on the outside. Save the £60 for a hose kit and get some DS2500 pads for the rear to improve your braking even further. So, final check list: DS2500 pads all round Super DOT 4 fluid (Castrol or Pro Race) Black diamond discs. HTH __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

08-02-2005, 13:31	#10
Nigel26 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Walsall, West Midlands Posts: 2,298 Members Car: Sea Grey Mondeo Titanium X Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	for the black diamonds... which type would you recommend the lad?? i used cross drilled ones once and they warped... (not on the vRS though) __________________ Sea Grey Mondeo Titanium X

08-02-2005, 14:06	#12
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Cool, thanks for the input, however I suppose even normal Octavia vRS 312mm discs & pads will be more than sufficient to slow me down __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

08-02-2005, 14:12	#13
mcbunny Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 2,601 Members Car: Brabus Roadster Coupe Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	tavia your getting confused between dot 5 and 5.1 i think check to see if performance friction do some pads for the 312mm setup the pads are awsome and you get sparks when stamping on the brakes lol __________________ First step to recovery is admitting you have a problem Hi, my name is Mike and I own a Skoda and to top it all off it’s a diesel.

08-02-2005, 14:20	#14
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,940 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 43 Times in 39 Posts	Trouble with the PF carbon metallics is that they knacker your wheels and can damage paintwork, unless you clean afetr pretty much each trip. Much like the DS3000s. Primarily a competition pad, hopeless when cold, noisey, dusty destroy disks etc etc Ran them on mine, awesome stopping power but the downsides far outweighed the upsides for fast road use. Standard disks are fine, but do change the pads to the Ferrodos, or if skint the Pagid Blues. Re the fluid, DOT5 and 5.1 are fairly similar. Both do offer better dry boiling points but go "wet" quicker and don't offer as good wet boiling points as the Super 4.1. Beside which, a decent 5 or 5.1 is damned expensive. Go for the grooved BD disks. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays Last edited by TaviaRS; 08-02-2005 at 14:22.

08-02-2005, 14:22	#15
tfboy C+ à Paris! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tilehurst, Berkshire Posts: 6,399 Members Car: "Fake" Black Magic vRS Thanks: 23 Thanked 93 Times in 82 Posts	OEM 312mm discs are about £80 inc vat and delivery new. Ferodo DS2500 pads are about £100 for a front set. Don't know how much the rear ones are. I'd seriously consider looking at the rear. The massive difference in braking performance between front and rear when you change the front only can lead to a slightly more "entertaining" drive when braking and turning at the same time __________________ Xavier

08-02-2005, 14:36	#17
mcbunny Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 2,601 Members Car: Brabus Roadster Coupe Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	my mate doesnt seem to have had any problems with cold stopping really and not any problems with the sparks melting paintwork either as far as im aware __________________ First step to recovery is admitting you have a problem Hi, my name is Mike and I own a Skoda and to top it all off it’s a diesel.

08-02-2005, 14:37	#18
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 6,089 Members Car: 2004 Fabia vRS TDI PD130 Thanks: 21 Thanked 50 Times in 50 Posts	__________________ John His Slow Black Diesel Powered Hatchback Hers Full Fat HotHatch with Cup suspension and spolier kit

08-02-2005, 14:45	#19
mcbunny Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 2,601 Members Car: Brabus Roadster Coupe Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thats on groved disks tho aswell so wouldnt be as bad on standard discs __________________ First step to recovery is admitting you have a problem Hi, my name is Mike and I own a Skoda and to top it all off it’s a diesel.

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