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rongagain · 02-10-2005, 19:25

Out today for a run with wife and had brain fade, not unusual but this time I redlined vrs!!!!!!!!! At 170 miles on the clock. Still thinking petrol and it happened so quick, my excuse anyway............

Feel guilty now

ChrisRs · 02-10-2005, 19:32

Wont do it any harm unless you red line it every time. Just take it steady and dont thrash it. It goes suprisingly well up to 3000 revs doesnt it !!!

rongagain · 02-10-2005, 20:05

It certainly does go well, there is always so much 'lift' it really is addictive.

I was doing so well short-shifting at 3500ish and enjoyng myself.

Oh well I reckon they build 'em tough

WW_VRS · 02-10-2005, 20:15

- it's not the worst thing to happen, as mentioned

If the engine was stone-cold it's not that great a thing to do, but you probably hit the redline & changed up rather sharpishly after that anyway.

You're just settling into the car and how it drives, just keep an eye on the oil levels regularly before you first service, as it can use a fair bit. Enjoy the car though

Dave_Fox · 02-10-2005, 20:16

Where's its rev limiter? Ive only ever got to the redline then changed.......

Mil · 02-10-2005, 20:32

Give it a go and find out

..I hit the limiter at about 6200 rpm on my car once..was accidental, felt so bad about it, never did it again..

Dave_Fox · 02-10-2005, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mil

Give it a go and find out

Im too scared

helpmedisappear · 02-10-2005, 21:27

Its around 4500 revs where you can do 60mph in 2nd

Chavyboy · 02-10-2005, 21:28

Whilst running it in it is more important not to labour the engine than to rev it to hard, don't worry about it.

DangerMouse · 02-10-2005, 21:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by rongagain

Out today for a run with wife and had brain fade, not unusual but this time I redlined vrs!!!!!!!!! At 170 miles on the clock. Still thinking petrol and it happened so quick, my excuse anyway............

Feel guilty now

I did the same yesterday afternoon with... Wait for it... 8 miles on the clock

Grant · 02-10-2005, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mil

Give it a go and find out

..I hit the limiter at about 6200 rpm on my car once..was accidental, felt so bad about it, never did it again..

Yours petrol?

I did get mine flying nrealy past the red once by reving it at lights once and the turbo got carried away

Mil · 03-10-2005, 05:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant

Yours petrol?

I did get mine flying nrealy past the red once by reving it at lights once and the turbo got carried away

Yeah...2 litre. Hit 6,200rpm @ 102km/h (I noticed only when I felt the car 'moan' when it hit the limiter, was listening to music way loud)...felt so guilty about it...

WW_VRS · 03-10-2005, 07:53

The worst type of limiter is the one that cuts the engine completely, rather than the ones that gradually kick in based on how long you've been 'in the red'.

I had a Ford Fiesta once, and as it was a courtesy vehicle for a car repair place I have a feeling it was artificially dropped to cut out below where the red even started.

Great fun when your engine cuts at 5k rpm when the red starts at 6k rpm

It would literally cut the engine until you got below the limit again. Had to learn quick that time though

ScoobyChris · 03-10-2005, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_VRS

The worst type of limiter is the one that cuts the engine completely, rather than the ones that gradually kick in based on how long you've been 'in the red'.

I thought all cars had a rev limiter which was about half-way into the red zone and once you hit it, you get that nice "just run into a brick wall" type feeling. I know remaps can move this limit higher up.... The Fabia, Scooby and Corsa all had it ... not sure about the Disco as I don't think that had enough power to reach the red line

Chris

spinndrift · 03-10-2005, 08:46

Hitting the rev limiter gives the same feel as trying to left foot break.

Milkyjohn · 03-10-2005, 11:45

My feelings on running in an engine have been covered on other posts but if you are worried about stressing your new engine then the maximum stress is at the maximum torque at about 1900 revs at the red line the torque as dropped off to the point where there is very little so less stress. Also reving it you are pulling a lower gear also less engine stress .if you really want to stress your engine get into top gear at 1900 revs and put your foot down that would give your engine the maximum stress.

***ColinD*** · 03-10-2005, 12:01

Rev limitier is just that though, you can hit it and it's limited, thus preventing the engines internals meeting the outside world...now unless you raise the rev limiter :whistle: there is no problem. Holding it there yes, but a spike hit drop is fine IMHO.

Only because I keep hitting mine though

As others have said, labouring is worse. Are modern engines as prone to run in issues as older generation blocks?

SteVRs · 03-10-2005, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColinD

Rev limitier is just that though, you can hit it and it's limited, thus preventing the engines internals meeting the outside world...now unless you raise the rev limiter :whistle: there is no problem. Holding it there yes, but a spike hit drop is fine IMHO.

Only because I keep hitting mine though

As others have said, labouring is worse. Are modern engines as prone to run in issues as older generation blocks?

No, the machining is much more likely to be within tolerances, which are also much tighter.

We have cars at work that spend their lives at or near the limiters in the hands of various idiots

and they both run fine 50k later

Shifty · 03-10-2005, 12:33

I really think that engines have moved on to the extent that hitting the limiter isn't an issue. (maybe with the exception of Ford's cast iron pushrod piece of crap still in use today)

I have found that you get the best from a diesel engine if you drive it very hard up until your first service. I have never ever had an engine blow up either. My trucks always were the most economical on the fleet, and also had the greatest pulling power.

rongagain · 03-10-2005, 12:46

Some very informative and interesting comments.

The idea of higher revs + low gears = less stress is a good point.

It just shows that perhaps most of the "careful running-in" ideas, which involve running around the 2K to 3.5K and changing gears to keep revs low, are harmful????

Anyway I don't feel so guilty now

Thanks guys (and any gals)
Ron

MikeW · 03-10-2005, 13:50

I think as long as you drive it fairly normally you should be ok, not too much labouring or thrashing, however tempting the latter may be!

simonlo · 03-10-2005, 18:55

Wow, glad I found this thread as I just picked up my vRS on Saturday and was looking for tips on how to run it in.

When travelling at 30 I'm usually in 4th so doing about 1.5k revs. Is it actually better to be in 3rd gear so that its at around 2k instead? Not just for running-in purposes but also in general. Is the engine labouring at 1.5k? I was just doing it to get more MPG but whatevers best for the engine is what I'm primarily concerned about.

Tom_vRS · 03-10-2005, 19:10

For running in, heck, just drive it! Babying and labouring the engine are much worse than stretching its legs (or should that be pistons?)

As mentioned, they use a bit of oil before the first service, keep a close eye on it. Could take you by suprise!

The rev limiter on the vRS is around 5300rpm. But its rediculous revving that high in it, and it still won't do 60 in second.

simonlo · 04-10-2005, 07:27

Thanks for the advice, will do

Still want to know whether its actually better to be at 1.5k revs or 2k tho in normal driving..

ChrisRs · 04-10-2005, 07:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty

I really think that engines have moved on to the extent that hitting the limiter isn't an issue. (maybe with the exception of Ford's cast iron pushrod piece of crap still in use today)

I have found that you get the best from a diesel engine if you drive it very hard up until your first service. I have never ever had an engine blow up either. My trucks always were the most economical on the fleet, and also had the greatest pulling power.

Yes but dont you run yours on chip fat !!

02-10-2005, 19:25	#1
rongagain Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: north east Posts: 119 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	whoops and Br Out today for a run with wife and had brain fade, not unusual but this time I redlined vrs!!!!!!!!! At 170 miles on the clock. Still thinking petrol and it happened so quick, my excuse anyway............ Feel guilty now

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WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,853 Thanks: 45 Thanked 81 Times in 71 Posts	- it's not the worst thing to happen, as mentioned If the engine was stone-cold it's not that great a thing to do, but you probably hit the redline & changed up rather sharpishly after that anyway. You're just settling into the car and how it drives, just keep an eye on the oil levels regularly before you first service, as it can use a fair bit. Enjoy the car though __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

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Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,801 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Give it a go and find out ..I hit the limiter at about 6200 rpm on my car once..was accidental, felt so bad about it, never did it again.. __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government

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helpmedisappear Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bolton Posts: 1,763 Thanks: 36 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Its around 4500 revs where you can do 60mph in 2nd __________________ Martin Black Magic Fabia vRSv

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Chavyboy Proud Dad Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Darkest Deepest Peterborough Posts: 3,789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Whilst running it in it is more important not to labour the engine than to rev it to hard, don't worry about it. __________________ 2004 '54' Citroen Picasso 1.6 16v Desire HDI in Wicked Red 2004 '54' Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTI Energy Ex Skoda owner

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