would a petrol turbo fabia sell?

Rally Red 16v · 06-10-2005, 14:19

I've noticed most of the Fabia around on here are VRS ones and that some are tuned alot.

you get a nice reasonably quick and frugal disel with 130hp then spend thousands getting 210hp then oops its not so frugal

how many VRS owners would have bought a 225hp 1.8T or 2.0T engined
fabia?
i gues what i mean is how many diesel VRS's would be sold if they made a petrol turbo one,
Gadge at work has an Ibiza cupra sport and its mental fast it keeps up with my mates R32 to well over a ton i'd love to do that in a fabia

**tfboy** · 06-10-2005, 14:39

I think the main reason why Skoda haven't yet released a 1.8T or 2.0T Fabia is because of VAG's commercial strategy. Seat are the chosen ones for "Sports" cars, and Skoda doesn't get any of it. It may all change with the Octy 2 vRS and there was talk about a limited WRC Fabia which sounds mental, but nothing confirmed in writing I think.

Also, a lot of people buy Fabia diesel vRS without thinking that it's a tyre-shredding beast (although it probably is more because of the torque!). It's a very good sportyish car where comfort and refinement hasn't been overlooked. If Skoda made an out-and-out rallye car, not sure a lot of vRS drivers would switch - they like the torque and comfort too much

If you wanted to have a project car and stick a 1.8T in it, it's a hard one because whilst the vRS has the hubs up front for bigger discs, etc, it has the diesel tank which needs swapping. If you start with a 1.x petrol, there'll be possibly less engin-related mechanical work, but more work on the body to beef it up.

Either way, it's not a cheap project

EddyH · 06-10-2005, 14:45

I'd personally like to see a Fabia with the new 1.4 SuperTurbo engine in. At the right price and with vRS type styling it should be excellent. A good amount of power and torque and light engine up front that would have a big positive effect on handling.

simon · 06-10-2005, 14:45

If skoda made a 3 door 1.8 (or 2l) turbo I would seriously consider it.

flatfourburble · 06-10-2005, 14:54

If I didn't do the mileage I did then yes with out a doubt I'd be interested in one, I've been bitten by the skoda bug now!

But, even though my car is tuned to xxxbhp it still will do 50+mpg where as a petrol would many get 40 on a good run.

devonutopia · 06-10-2005, 15:11

My PD130 conversion was bad enough - not sure how you'd go about a decent 1.8T conversion with a Fabia? Maybe take a written off Cupra Ibiza and transplant 100% of the internals? It was bad enough with another diesel, with me having to 100% rewire and still not got it all sorted yet.

spinndrift · 06-10-2005, 15:11

They do make one but they're mega bucks second hand and have a silly wing on the back.

Skoda Fabia WRC
ID# : 12022 ; Date posted : August 5, 2005 ; Expire date : July 6, 2007 ;
Factory date: 2004

Price: £250,000

Details: 2004 Gravel Spec. Paddle shift. Zero KM's. Ex works car, chassis no6. Spares and support available if required. Evo2 & Evo3 Octavia's also for sale.

If they made a normal one though I wouldn't have one. I'd never get another Fabia.

Shifty · 06-10-2005, 15:15

I bought my Vrs because of what it was, a nicely put together sporty diesel hatch. Tuned to xxxbhp, still returns 50+ mpg on a run, and driven hard on the twisties, 25mpg +.

If my car was due for replacement, and a petrol turbo fabia was avaliable in the showroom, then I would seriously consider it. but it would have to impress me to make me buy it. a full wrc kit/decals and 250bhp would sway me

walkie · 06-10-2005, 15:21

I wouldnt of bought a 1.8t Fabia.

Couldnt afford the insurance and the fuel...

IIRC there's not actually that many people on here producing 210 BHP

But half a grand will see 170-180ish and that will still see a decent return in MPG

faboka vrs · 06-10-2005, 15:28

Like walkie said. I couldn't afford the insurance and fuel as I live in a high risk area.

Sallyann · 06-10-2005, 17:25

Apart from anything else, you'd need a bigger fuel tank. The little 45 litre thing needs filling too often even in my 1.4 16v.

Sal

***Neo_VR*** · 06-10-2005, 17:45

Who says a 200bhp fabia vRS isnt so economical? if anything its MORE economical..

ive got circa 180-190bhp and reguarly get 70mpg on the trip to work, and usually average 55 over a tank.... and not to mention itll show remapped 1.8T cars a very hard time

Steve Walker · 06-10-2005, 20:04

[quote=Rally Red 16v]I've noticed most of the Fabia around on here are VRS ones and that some are tuned alot. You get a nice reasonably quick and frugal disel with 130hp then spend thousands getting 210hp then oops its not so frugal.

What you get is a car that is real world quick & economy is still good. Remember that on TDis the turbo is only pumping air. How much fuel you use is still down to your right foot.
Insurance? Something tells me a lot are still officially 130bhp!

Would a turbo petrol sell? £12,500 & tuneable to 275bhp with a bit of work. Hell, all the track day nuts would be queueing round the block for that. Me at the front. Trouble is VW Gti sales would fall through the floor.

Steve

BeezerDiesel · 06-10-2005, 20:15

Well truth be known the nearest thing you have to a petrol 1.8 vRS Fabia is the dear old Ibiza 1.8t FR, which DOESN'T sell like hot cakes. Next up will be the Polo GTI with the 150bhp 1.8t for £15500. Whether this sells like hot cakes is anybody's guess at the moment.
Thing is the Beezer FR is about the same price as the 130 TDI, with similar on road performance (both standard and re-mapped), but is dearer to insure, tax, fuel etc etc.
The Ibiza had the 130 TDI before the Fabia and sold quite well, but the vRS has stolen the march off it somewhat, being better proportioned and value IMO. I would still guess SEAT sell many more TDI FRs than petrol turbo versions though.

***Neo_VR*** · 06-10-2005, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeezerDiesel

Well truth be known the nearest thing you have to a petrol 1.8 vRS Fabia is the dear old Ibiza 1.8t FR, which DOESN'T sell like hot cakes. Next up will be the Polo GTI with the 150bhp 1.8t for £15500. Whether this sells like hot cakes is anybody's guess at the moment.
Thing is the Beezer FR is about the same price as the 130 TDI, with similar on road performance (both standard and re-mapped), but is dearer to insure, tax, fuel etc etc.
The Ibiza had the 130 TDI before the Fabia and sold quite well, but the vRS has stolen the march off it somewhat, being better proportioned and value IMO. I would still guess SEAT sell many more TDI FRs than petrol turbo versions though.

This is very true.. infact im sure for mk4 ibizas on scn, TDI owners out number petrol owners... about 10-1 even more for the cupra and FR...
the days where diesels were slow and rattly are over... IIRC even the Leon TDI150 is outselling the FR and Cupra R petrol now

Rally Red 16v · 06-10-2005, 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonutopia

My PD130 conversion was bad enough - not sure how you'd go about a decent 1.8T conversion with a Fabia? Maybe take a written off Cupra Ibiza and transplant 100% of the internals? It was bad enough with another diesel, with me having to 100% rewire and still not got it all sorted yet.

i did wonder how much work your swap was. wondered why you didnt fit a 150 or 160.

Martin Pick · 07-10-2005, 09:57

i would definately like to see the 1.4 TwinCharger engine in a new fabia vRS when it comes out. I think small diesel cars suffer from too much torque sometimes especially with a good remap. Look at the Ibiza PD160. Way too much engine for the chassis. A nice, light, powerful petrol would be great. Don`t get me wrong, i love my vRS but i may well have a petrol again for my next car.

WW_VRS · 07-10-2005, 10:07

The PD130 lump is heavy - that's one of the main problems with the Furby vRS. If the engine was less heavy the handling would be better, for sure.

I am hoping that the Eibachs will improve things considerably on that front though

walkie · 07-10-2005, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_VRS

I am hoping that the Eibachs will improve things considerably on that front though

Oh god yes! Without a doubt - trust me

devonutopia · 07-10-2005, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Red 16v

i did wonder how much work your swap was. wondered why you didnt fit a 150 or 160.

150 isn't that much different, and 160 is due to FMIC - and as I have got the turbo and FMIC at the same time, I essentially do have a 150 at the moment. Will find out tomorrow.

But was mega work.

***Neo_VR*** · 07-10-2005, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pick

i would definately like to see the 1.4 TwinCharger engine in a new fabia vRS when it comes out. I think small diesel cars suffer from too much torque sometimes especially with a good remap. Look at the Ibiza PD160. Way too much engine for the chassis. A nice, light, powerful petrol would be great. Don`t get me wrong, i love my vRS but i may well have a petrol again for my next car.

Wot about the 180 20vt cupra? lol buy one of them

EddyH · 07-10-2005, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Wot about the 180 20vt cupra? lol buy one of them

The Ibiza isn't as nice as the Furby IMHO.

Martin Pick · 07-10-2005, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Wot about the 180 20vt cupra? lol buy one of them

I dont like seat`s. Sorry to all you seat owners on here. Shoe-horning stupidly powerful engines into a chassis that can`t cope doesn`t make a good car. Any power upgrade of a fabia should only be considered with suspension/brake mods. Seat should calm down and make a nice car first, and a fast one second.

pbirkett · 07-10-2005, 19:35

I'd have definitely considered a petrol turbo Fabia instead of the diesel version, but both would have definitely got a fair crack of the whip. The TDI 130 is a nice engine, but a real enthusiast would undoubtedly, IMO, prefer a 1.8T. It makes more noise, the engine is lighter so better balanced, and the higher revviness makes for not only better handling too, but more excitement when really pressing on.

I'd have definitely bought a 3dr 1.8T over a 5dr 1.9 TDI... as I think apart from anything else, a 3 door car could have looked *lush*.

The diesels are best when driven in a relatively relaxed manner, which changes the whole dynamics of the car. Petrols, despite not quite having the same get up and go, are overall more fun to drive, and for me, the economy argument is overstated a bit too. I could only ever achieve 50+ when driving like a granny, in the Golf I can get 40, sometimes more on a run driving like a granny. It does 30 when thrashed, the Fabia did 36. Not that much difference in reality.

WW_VRS · 07-10-2005, 20:32

I kinda like the idea of being able to use the car in a relaxed manner, all the way to trashing it - but yeah, it's a diesel & it just ain't gonna have the rev range.

The Fabia vRS is a warm family hatch, that can be tuned up a fair bit. Must admit I do firmly agree with the idea that if you're gonna make it go faster, you also want it to slow down faster, and improve on the general handling first.

Based on the target market it kinda makes sense for Skoda NOT to offer a 3 door 1.8T, it wouldn't be a bad car to make in itself, but the branding kinda prevents it I suppose.

06-10-2005, 14:19	#1
Rally Red 16v Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: scotland Posts: 34 Members Car: Rally red fabia 1.4 16v elegance Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	would a petrol turbo fabia sell? I've noticed most of the Fabia around on here are VRS ones and that some are tuned alot. you get a nice reasonably quick and frugal disel with 130hp then spend thousands getting 210hp then oops its not so frugal how many VRS owners would have bought a 225hp 1.8T or 2.0T engined fabia? i gues what i mean is how many diesel VRS's would be sold if they made a petrol turbo one, Gadge at work has an Ibiza cupra sport and its mental fast it keeps up with my mates R32 to well over a ton i'd love to do that in a fabia

06-10-2005, 14:39	#2
tfboy C+ à Paris! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tilehurst, Berkshire Posts: 6,322 Members Car: "Fake" Black Magic vRS Thanks: 21 Thanked 76 Times in 66 Posts	I think the main reason why Skoda haven't yet released a 1.8T or 2.0T Fabia is because of VAG's commercial strategy. Seat are the chosen ones for "Sports" cars, and Skoda doesn't get any of it. It may all change with the Octy 2 vRS and there was talk about a limited WRC Fabia which sounds mental, but nothing confirmed in writing I think. Also, a lot of people buy Fabia diesel vRS without thinking that it's a tyre-shredding beast (although it probably is more because of the torque!). It's a very good sportyish car where comfort and refinement hasn't been overlooked. If Skoda made an out-and-out rallye car, not sure a lot of vRS drivers would switch - they like the torque and comfort too much If you wanted to have a project car and stick a 1.8T in it, it's a hard one because whilst the vRS has the hubs up front for bigger discs, etc, it has the diesel tank which needs swapping. If you start with a 1.x petrol, there'll be possibly less engin-related mechanical work, but more work on the body to beef it up. Either way, it's not a cheap project __________________ Xavier

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EddyH Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 4,908 Members Car: Audi S8 Thanks: 41 Thanked 27 Times in 27 Posts	I'd personally like to see a Fabia with the new 1.4 SuperTurbo engine in. At the right price and with vRS type styling it should be excellent. A good amount of power and torque and light engine up front that would have a big positive effect on handling. __________________ EddyH Audi A6 Avant 2.7 TDI Audi A3 2.0 TDI Sport

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flatfourburble "Bones" Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Heathrow/Crewe Posts: 5,449 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If I didn't do the mileage I did then yes with out a doubt I'd be interested in one, I've been bitten by the skoda bug now! But, even though my car is tuned to xxxbhp it still will do 50+mpg where as a petrol would many get 40 on a good run. __________________ Oh to have the internet back..................oh have I missed it

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devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,071 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 73 Thanked 350 Times in 293 Posts	My PD130 conversion was bad enough - not sure how you'd go about a decent 1.8T conversion with a Fabia? Maybe take a written off Cupra Ibiza and transplant 100% of the internals? It was bad enough with another diesel, with me having to 100% rewire and still not got it all sorted yet. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

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spinndrift Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Woking Posts: 6,640 Members Car: Roomster Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	They do make one but they're mega bucks second hand and have a silly wing on the back. Skoda Fabia WRC ID# : 12022 ; Date posted : August 5, 2005 ; Expire date : July 6, 2007 ; Factory date: 2004 Price: £250,000 Details: 2004 Gravel Spec. Paddle shift. Zero KM's. Ex works car, chassis no6. Spares and support available if required. Evo2 & Evo3 Octavia's also for sale. If they made a normal one though I wouldn't have one. I'd never get another Fabia. __________________ Rev. Andy The Rallying Reverend www.miniroadrunnerrallying.co.uk Engine data aquisition is fun Last edited by spinndrift; 06-10-2005 at 15:15.

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Shifty www.oscarli.com Join Date: May 2005 Location: The home of witty banter™ Posts: 6,461 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Images: 1 Thanks: 86 Thanked 156 Times in 93 Posts	I bought my Vrs because of what it was, a nicely put together sporty diesel hatch. Tuned to xxxbhp, still returns 50+ mpg on a run, and driven hard on the twisties, 25mpg +. If my car was due for replacement, and a petrol turbo fabia was avaliable in the showroom, then I would seriously consider it. but it would have to impress me to make me buy it. a full wrc kit/decals and 250bhp would sway me __________________ Official 0 to 60 mph - 5.85 seconds. Standing 1/4 mile - 14.3 seconds. 251.5 BHP and 400 lbs/ft of torque. Oh - and 55 mpg on a run My car is for SALE!! www.fyldeperformancecars.com

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Sallyann Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 222 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Apart from anything else, you'd need a bigger fuel tank. The little 45 litre thing needs filling too often even in my 1.4 16v. Sal

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*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,457 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 78 Thanked 176 Times in 125 Posts	Who says a 200bhp fabia vRS isnt so economical? if anything its MORE economical.. ive got circa 180-190bhp and reguarly get 70mpg on the trip to work, and usually average 55 over a tank.... and not to mention itll show remapped 1.8T cars a very hard time __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

06-10-2005, 20:04	#13
Steve Walker Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North West UK Posts: 95 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	[quote=Rally Red 16v]I've noticed most of the Fabia around on here are VRS ones and that some are tuned alot. You get a nice reasonably quick and frugal disel with 130hp then spend thousands getting 210hp then oops its not so frugal. What you get is a car that is real world quick & economy is still good. Remember that on TDis the turbo is only pumping air. How much fuel you use is still down to your right foot. Insurance? Something tells me a lot are still officially 130bhp! Would a turbo petrol sell? £12,500 & tuneable to 275bhp with a bit of work. Hell, all the track day nuts would be queueing round the block for that. Me at the front. Trouble is VW Gti sales would fall through the floor. Steve

06-10-2005, 20:15	#14
BeezerDiesel Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Exeter Posts: 549 Members Car: Golf GTI Thanks: 24 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Well truth be known the nearest thing you have to a petrol 1.8 vRS Fabia is the dear old Ibiza 1.8t FR, which DOESN'T sell like hot cakes. Next up will be the Polo GTI with the 150bhp 1.8t for £15500. Whether this sells like hot cakes is anybody's guess at the moment. Thing is the Beezer FR is about the same price as the 130 TDI, with similar on road performance (both standard and re-mapped), but is dearer to insure, tax, fuel etc etc. The Ibiza had the 130 TDI before the Fabia and sold quite well, but the vRS has stolen the march off it somewhat, being better proportioned and value IMO. I would still guess SEAT sell many more TDI FRs than petrol turbo versions though. Last edited by BeezerDiesel; 06-10-2005 at 20:16.

07-10-2005, 09:57	#17
Martin Pick Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North East UK Posts: 174 Members Car: 56 plate Ibiza FR 20VT Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i would definately like to see the 1.4 TwinCharger engine in a new fabia vRS when it comes out. I think small diesel cars suffer from too much torque sometimes especially with a good remap. Look at the Ibiza PD160. Way too much engine for the chassis. A nice, light, powerful petrol would be great. Don`t get me wrong, i love my vRS but i may well have a petrol again for my next car. __________________ Volkswagon - A Skoda For People With Far Too Much Money maybe get an octavia, maybe not......

07-10-2005, 10:07	#18
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,869 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	The PD130 lump is heavy - that's one of the main problems with the Furby vRS. If the engine was less heavy the handling would be better, for sure. I am hoping that the Eibachs will improve things considerably on that front though __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

07-10-2005, 19:35	#24
pbirkett Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,873 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd have definitely considered a petrol turbo Fabia instead of the diesel version, but both would have definitely got a fair crack of the whip. The TDI 130 is a nice engine, but a real enthusiast would undoubtedly, IMO, prefer a 1.8T. It makes more noise, the engine is lighter so better balanced, and the higher revviness makes for not only better handling too, but more excitement when really pressing on. I'd have definitely bought a 3dr 1.8T over a 5dr 1.9 TDI... as I think apart from anything else, a 3 door car could have looked lush. The diesels are best when driven in a relatively relaxed manner, which changes the whole dynamics of the car. Petrols, despite not quite having the same get up and go, are overall more fun to drive, and for me, the economy argument is overstated a bit too. I could only ever achieve 50+ when driving like a granny, in the Golf I can get 40, sometimes more on a run driving like a granny. It does 30 when thrashed, the Fabia did 36. Not that much difference in reality.

07-10-2005, 20:32	#25
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,869 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	I kinda like the idea of being able to use the car in a relaxed manner, all the way to trashing it - but yeah, it's a diesel & it just ain't gonna have the rev range. The Fabia vRS is a warm family hatch, that can be tuned up a fair bit. Must admit I do firmly agree with the idea that if you're gonna make it go faster, you also want it to slow down faster, and improve on the general handling first. Based on the target market it kinda makes sense for Skoda NOT to offer a 3 door 1.8T, it wouldn't be a bad car to make in itself, but the branding kinda prevents it I suppose. __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

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