Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration???

jaxx007 · 13-05-2008, 10:15

I am looking to buy a new Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi 80 as our second child is on the way. We are buying a diesel and never having driven a "modern" one, I have a quick question. Does the 1.4tdi 80 accelerate quickest at low, mid or high revs, i.e 1200-2000 or 2000-2800 or above 2800??? Is there noticable shove between a certain rev range??? Any help will be fantastic.

Thank you very much for your help!!!

irfant · 13-05-2008, 10:40

You can get the max torque at 2.200 rpm.

Far better than petroleum counterparts...

jaxx007 · 13-05-2008, 11:09

Is max torque (2200 rpm) the point at which the car accelerates hardest or fastest???

cjb · 13-05-2008, 11:13

Yep. The most shove comes from 1900ish, tails off a little by 3000.

JSJ · 13-05-2008, 11:33

Peak torque is at 2200rpm. I find that most of the mid range overtaking 'shove' is between 2000 & 3000, especially in third gear.

jaxx007 · 13-05-2008, 12:17

Thank you for the advice so far. Obviously I am not expecting it to be a Ferrari but my wife's car is a 60 hp fiesta and that is so slow it is almost funny. My car was a 1.8 115 hp escort before someone decided to crash into it. I know the fabia won't be as quick top end, but I am hoping it may match it for mid range drivability and punch. I never used to go over 3000 rpm in the escort anyway, and most of the time changed up at just over 2000 rpm as I'm not a thrasher... and it drank petrol too!!! If the fabia can compare to the lower revs of the escort then I would be a happy bunny! If not, well it's tough for me, the family has to come first...

jaxx007 · 13-05-2008, 12:25

BTW I meant it's tough luck for me and I will have to live with it, not tough for me to accept and I won't be interested in a Fabia. Just wanted to clear that up. Family practicality first, performance (hopefully anyway) second!

Thank You

JSJ · 13-05-2008, 12:26

Well, I live out in the middle of the countryside so overtaking is a regular occurance here. I've swapped from a 1o5bhp scenic to the fabia and I feel far safer overtaking in the fabia.

Its ''real world'' performance is perfectly adequate for safe, fast overtaking.

Any skoda dealership will be happy to let you test drive an 80bhp model.

irfant · 13-05-2008, 12:40

Here is the power curve...

jaxx007 · 13-05-2008, 12:51

Do you mind if I ask where you got that curve from i.e the web site please.

nickcoll · 13-05-2008, 13:41

Diesels never give good acceleration from rest - mainly because of the limited rev range meaning that you have to change up the gears more quickly. So don't buy a diesel if you are a boy-racer!

But where they score is in driving once you have got going - the midrange torque is excellent and makes for much more relaxing driving than a petrol engine. Also, of course, the efficiency is much greater because diesel engines are running at a higher compression ratio and don't have the energy-sapping ignition circuit to power. One additional point is that diesel has about 10% more energy in it than petrol (which is why the tax and hence pump price is higher), so taken altogether diesel gives you much better fuel consumption than petrol, although you are paying extra for some of it.

irfant · 13-05-2008, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxx007

Do you mind if I ask where you got that curve from i.e the web site please.

Sure...

These are for Roomster, but they are all the same with Fabia II. Just click on the engine type, than click on power curve...

1.2 12V/51kW

Tom_vRS · 13-05-2008, 13:49

Can we get it clear that a car will accelerate fastest when the engine is making peak power.

So thats between about 3500rpm and 4200rpm going by that wee graph.

irfant · 13-05-2008, 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

Can we get it clear that a car will accelerate fastest when the engine is making peak power.

So thats between about 3500rpm and 4200rpm going by that wee graph.

Thank you! So, this means, we should stick to hp curve for acceleration, not torque...

woodenspatulas · 13-05-2008, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

Can we get it clear that a car will accelerate fastest when the engine is making peak power.

So thats between about 3500rpm and 4200rpm going by that wee graph.

i found that the most "thrust" is just below where it should according to the graph. thats odd!

JSJ · 13-05-2008, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickcoll

One additional point is that diesel has about 10% more energy in it than petrol (which is why the tax and hence pump price is higher), so taken altogether diesel gives you much better fuel consumption than petrol, although you are paying extra for some of it.

IIRC it is also denser than petrol, someone once mentioned to me that if 'fuel' was sold by weight rather than volume a petrol engine would be more economical....

radfordln · 13-05-2008, 18:14

Just to add a real life experience - my 1.4tdi has a small pause from standing starts but then quickly gets up to speed. Its great from about 10mph to 50mph but then fairly average.

I went from driving an old 1.3 petrol Polo and the Skoda is far far better than that.

It will hold its own in accelleration terms is my view.

monkey023 · 13-05-2008, 19:53

If your budget will stretch go for the 1.9tdi as this is much quicker and many believe it to be more economical as well as you don't need to thrash it to make progress. Plus better remap potential!!

Regards,

Mark

monkey023 · 13-05-2008, 19:59

1.9 TDI PD/77 kW

is the site for 1.9 torque curve!

VWD · 13-05-2008, 20:43

From a standing start- more revs will get you away quick.For other driving - most power etc around the 2000-3000 band .
A Furby 1.4tdi is not an OAP car

13-05-2008, 10:15	#1
jaxx007 Briskodian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Merseyside Posts: 53 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? I am looking to buy a new Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi 80 as our second child is on the way. We are buying a diesel and never having driven a "modern" one, I have a quick question. Does the 1.4tdi 80 accelerate quickest at low, mid or high revs, i.e 1200-2000 or 2000-2800 or above 2800??? Is there noticable shove between a certain rev range??? Any help will be fantastic. Thank you very much for your help!!!

13-05-2008, 10:40	#2
irfant Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Istanbul ,TR Posts: 367 Thanks: 81 Thanked 33 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? You can get the max torque at 2.200 rpm. Far better than petroleum counterparts... __________________ *2007 Roomster 1.4 16V* *http://www.skodaclubturkey.com*

13-05-2008, 11:09	#3
jaxx007 Briskodian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Merseyside Posts: 53 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Is max torque (2200 rpm) the point at which the car accelerates hardest or fastest???

13-05-2008, 11:13	#4
cjb Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Walsall Posts: 1,298 Thanks: 60 Thanked 70 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Yep. The most shove comes from 1900ish, tails off a little by 3000. __________________ The Devil may care, but I don't mind.

13-05-2008, 11:33	#5
JSJ Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 90 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Peak torque is at 2200rpm. I find that most of the mid range overtaking 'shove' is between 2000 & 3000, especially in third gear.

13-05-2008, 12:17	#6
jaxx007 Briskodian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Merseyside Posts: 53 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Thank you for the advice so far. Obviously I am not expecting it to be a Ferrari but my wife's car is a 60 hp fiesta and that is so slow it is almost funny. My car was a 1.8 115 hp escort before someone decided to crash into it. I know the fabia won't be as quick top end, but I am hoping it may match it for mid range drivability and punch. I never used to go over 3000 rpm in the escort anyway, and most of the time changed up at just over 2000 rpm as I'm not a thrasher... and it drank petrol too!!! If the fabia can compare to the lower revs of the escort then I would be a happy bunny! If not, well it's tough for me, the family has to come first...

13-05-2008, 12:25	#7
jaxx007 Briskodian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Merseyside Posts: 53 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? BTW I meant it's tough luck for me and I will have to live with it, not tough for me to accept and I won't be interested in a Fabia. Just wanted to clear that up. Family practicality first, performance (hopefully anyway) second! Thank You

13-05-2008, 12:26	#8
JSJ Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 90 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Well, I live out in the middle of the countryside so overtaking is a regular occurance here. I've swapped from a 1o5bhp scenic to the fabia and I feel far safer overtaking in the fabia. Its ''real world'' performance is perfectly adequate for safe, fast overtaking. Any skoda dealership will be happy to let you test drive an 80bhp model.

13-05-2008, 12:40	#9
irfant Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Istanbul ,TR Posts: 367 Thanks: 81 Thanked 33 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Here is the power curve... __________________ *2007 Roomster 1.4 16V* *http://www.skodaclubturkey.com*

13-05-2008, 12:51	#10
jaxx007 Briskodian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Merseyside Posts: 53 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Do you mind if I ask where you got that curve from i.e the web site please.

13-05-2008, 13:41	#11
nickcoll Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 83 Thanks: 10 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Diesels never give good acceleration from rest - mainly because of the limited rev range meaning that you have to change up the gears more quickly. So don't buy a diesel if you are a boy-racer! But where they score is in driving once you have got going - the midrange torque is excellent and makes for much more relaxing driving than a petrol engine. Also, of course, the efficiency is much greater because diesel engines are running at a higher compression ratio and don't have the energy-sapping ignition circuit to power. One additional point is that diesel has about 10% more energy in it than petrol (which is why the tax and hence pump price is higher), so taken altogether diesel gives you much better fuel consumption than petrol, although you are paying extra for some of it.

13-05-2008, 13:49	#13
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 10,729 Thanks: 557 Thanked 362 Times in 244 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Can we get it clear that a car will accelerate fastest when the engine is making peak power. So thats between about 3500rpm and 4200rpm going by that wee graph. __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green. << Clickable for boring info. My Journal

13-05-2008, 18:14	#17
radfordln Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? Just to add a real life experience - my 1.4tdi has a small pause from standing starts but then quickly gets up to speed. Its great from about 10mph to 50mph but then fairly average. I went from driving an old 1.3 petrol Polo and the Skoda is far far better than that. It will hold its own in accelleration terms is my view.

13-05-2008, 19:53	#18
monkey023 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 138 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? If your budget will stretch go for the 1.9tdi as this is much quicker and many believe it to be more economical as well as you don't need to thrash it to make progress. Plus better remap potential!! Regards, Mark

13-05-2008, 19:59	#19
monkey023 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 138 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? 1.9 TDI PD/77 kW is the site for 1.9 torque curve!

13-05-2008, 20:43	#20
VWD Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 297 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Fabia Estate 1.4 tdi acceleration??? From a standing start- more revs will get you away quick.For other driving - most power etc around the 2000-3000 band . A Furby 1.4tdi is not an OAP car

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