312mm brakes

TeflonTom · 17-06-2006, 16:51

i know this is a daft question.

can the 312mm brakes be fitted to the 2.0 fabia?? obviously i would need at least 16" wheels, but are the calipers/carriers from the 2 litre models the same as the vrs? except the colour of course????

Lummox · 17-06-2006, 17:01

I think they are so the swap would be the same as the vRS.

TeflonTom · 17-06-2006, 19:43

which parts do i need?

is it just the carriers and the discs? or do I also need the calipers

Lummox · 17-06-2006, 20:22

Same as the vRS, you need the whole lot.

TeflonTom · 17-06-2006, 20:32

thankyou for the info.

have you seen the neuspeed porsche caliper conversion kit for the mk4 golf on thier website? i'm thinking that this should fit as well????

Lummox · 17-06-2006, 20:42

It will, as long as you have the wheel clearance.

TeflonTom · 17-06-2006, 20:44

cool

Tom_vRS · 17-06-2006, 23:05

I thought the 2.0 had the 256mm setup, therefore needing hubs etc too...?

I could be quite wrong though of course.

devonutopia · 18-06-2006, 06:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

I thought the 2.0 had the 256mm setup, therefore needing hubs etc too...?

I could be quite wrong though of course.

you are.

There's another small close knit group of fabias that have the same option. Always wondered why the 2.0 got the same hubs though, and other models like the pd100 didn't. C'est la vie.

TeflonTom · 18-06-2006, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

I thought the 2.0 had the 256mm setup, therefore needing hubs etc too...?

I could be quite wrong though of course.

the 2.0 has 288mm discs with ATE calipers. i think they are the same as the vrs (except they aren't painted green) but nobody can tell me for certain.

Wardy · 18-06-2006, 19:31

Just out of interest - how much are the vRS hubs, roughly? Are there any other similar donor cars that suitable hubs can be taken from?

I may be looking to do a 256-312mm conversion in the future

Steve

Akebono · 20-06-2006, 16:30

Why would you say that the RS has a diffrent hub/bearing from the normal fabias. It all depends on the power-steering. If it is powered it has 72mm or else 66mm. So I think that the 2.0 has the same hubs as the RS, so there should be no dilemma about upgrading from 256 to 312 with the 72mm hub.

Also, the brakes on the RS are Lucas and not ATE.

PS: I did a little check further on. It seems that engine codes AZL,ASZ have different hub housings, but they have the same bearings-hubs. It may be a little offset, but with no implications to the brake upgrage, or so I think at the moment.

Lummox · 20-06-2006, 17:43

The difference is on cars with FSIII brakes you cant unbolt the caliper carrier so you cant change the calipers.

There is no probs with changing the vRS/2.0 brakes as mentioned.

You will need new bearings as they are just about impossible to get out of a carrier and be in a useable condition again.

Wardy · 20-06-2006, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

You will need new bearings as they are just about impossible to get out of a carrier and be in a useable condition again.

Any quotable price Ross? Or a rough idea of 2nd hand/breakers price?

Steve

Lummox · 20-06-2006, 20:23

For you anything,

6Q0 407 255 S - Bearing housing left - £93 inc

6Q0 407 256 S - Bearing housing right - £93 inc

6Q0 407 621 AJ - Hub inc bearing - £68.54 inc (x2)

The tool looks like this to install the bearings correctly without damaging the ABS unit and insuring its pressed in correctly.

Wardy · 20-06-2006, 21:04

Cheers for that. Ouch, that's a fair bit of cost, especially before you add the cost of the 312mm upgrade kit

Oh well, at least I know now. Or it's down to finding a vRS that's being broken for parts...

Steve

Lummox · 20-06-2006, 21:11

Try these guys..

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/motorsinmot...Q3amesstQQtZkm

SEAT Ibiza 130 Sport/FR will be just as good btw.

If you cant get what you need let me know, I could better those prices, plus build them up for you with the correct tools.

17-06-2006, 16:51	#1
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	312mm brakes i know this is a daft question. can the 312mm brakes be fitted to the 2.0 fabia?? obviously i would need at least 16" wheels, but are the calipers/carriers from the 2 litre models the same as the vrs? except the colour of course????

17-06-2006, 17:01	#2
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,458 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 753 Times in 633 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes I think they are so the swap would be the same as the vRS. __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

17-06-2006, 19:43	#3
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes which parts do i need? is it just the carriers and the discs? or do I also need the calipers

17-06-2006, 20:22	#4
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,458 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 753 Times in 633 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes Same as the vRS, you need the whole lot. __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

17-06-2006, 20:32	#5
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes thankyou for the info. have you seen the neuspeed porsche caliper conversion kit for the mk4 golf on thier website? i'm thinking that this should fit as well????

17-06-2006, 20:42	#6
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,458 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 753 Times in 633 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes It will, as long as you have the wheel clearance. __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

17-06-2006, 20:44	#7
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes cool

17-06-2006, 23:05	#8
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,542 Members Car: '97R BMW 328i Saloon Thanks: 679 Thanked 433 Times in 310 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes I thought the 2.0 had the 256mm setup, therefore needing hubs etc too...? I could be quite wrong though of course. __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green.

18-06-2006, 19:31	#11
Wardy 207/340 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Around Manchester & Cheshire Posts: 11,707 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 457 Thanked 366 Times in 354 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes Just out of interest - how much are the vRS hubs, roughly? Are there any other similar donor cars that suitable hubs can be taken from? I may be looking to do a 256-312mm conversion in the future Steve __________________ Wardy's Fabia vRS xenons : sunroof : cruise : OEM+ "Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen "If in doubt, flat out." - Colin McRae

20-06-2006, 16:30	#12
Akebono Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 138 Members Car: skoda fabia AME 1.4MPI Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 312mm brakes Why would you say that the RS has a diffrent hub/bearing from the normal fabias. It all depends on the power-steering. If it is powered it has 72mm or else 66mm. So I think that the 2.0 has the same hubs as the RS, so there should be no dilemma about upgrading from 256 to 312 with the 72mm hub. Also, the brakes on the RS are Lucas and not ATE. PS: I did a little check further on. It seems that engine codes AZL,ASZ have different hub housings, but they have the same bearings-hubs. It may be a little offset, but with no implications to the brake upgrage, or so I think at the moment. Last edited by Akebono; 20-06-2006 at 16:38.

20-06-2006, 17:43	#13
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,458 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 753 Times in 633 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes The difference is on cars with FSIII brakes you cant unbolt the caliper carrier so you cant change the calipers. There is no probs with changing the vRS/2.0 brakes as mentioned. You will need new bearings as they are just about impossible to get out of a carrier and be in a useable condition again. __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details. Last edited by Lummox; 20-06-2006 at 17:44.

20-06-2006, 20:23	#15
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,458 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 753 Times in 633 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes For you anything, 6Q0 407 255 S - Bearing housing left - £93 inc 6Q0 407 256 S - Bearing housing right - £93 inc 6Q0 407 621 AJ - Hub inc bearing - £68.54 inc (x2) The tool looks like this to install the bearings correctly without damaging the ABS unit and insuring its pressed in correctly. __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

20-06-2006, 21:04	#16
Wardy 207/340 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Around Manchester & Cheshire Posts: 11,707 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 457 Thanked 366 Times in 354 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes Cheers for that. Ouch, that's a fair bit of cost, especially before you add the cost of the 312mm upgrade kit Oh well, at least I know now. Or it's down to finding a vRS that's being broken for parts... Steve __________________ Wardy's Fabia vRS xenons : sunroof : cruise : OEM+ "Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen "If in doubt, flat out." - Colin McRae

20-06-2006, 21:11	#17
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,458 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 753 Times in 633 Posts	Re: 312mm brakes Try these guys.. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/motorsinmot...Q3amesstQQtZkm SEAT Ibiza 130 Sport/FR will be just as good btw. If you cant get what you need let me know, I could better those prices, plus build them up for you with the correct tools. __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

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