ASR "off" and crashing - a connection?

[Goochie]

Pretty much since the Fabia VRS arrived on the scene, people have been saying how they love turning off the ASR "because it's shìt". At the same time, more and more people have been crashing.

Is there a connection?

[Shifty]

Originally Posted by Goochie

Pretty much since the Fabia VRS arrived on the scene, people have been saying how they love turning off the ASR "because it's shìt". At the same time, more and more people have been crashing.

Is there a connection?

No. The people who crash thier vRS's have possibly driven beyond either thier own, or the car's ability. It's usually that simple. Other instances could include, bad judgement of the road ahead, conditions at the time etc

I can't imagine any single scenario whereby the ASR could prevent an accident, or hide bad driving. It really is ****.

[Fluffy Bunny]

Running out of talent isn't cured by any electonic aids.

[Shifty]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunny

Running out of talent isn't cured by any electonic aids.

I should have just said that, and saved all my words

In a nutshell......

[TeflonTom]

maybe the asr in the vrs model is not that good then?? because on the 2.0 fabia it seems to work ok. although it's not the fastest car in the world it is easy to see how people do crash thier fabia, comedy handling, understeer happy, etc etc

[Tom_vRS]

ASR can be good, but very rarely. Under normal driving unless you have no throttle control whatsoever ASR won't help you, but if you are a **** and feel like booting it around every corner with the pedal to the floor, perhaps it might just prevent an accident?

The only scenario where I can see it really being of benefit is where one wheel is on a slippery surface and another on a grippy one, e.g. one wheel on the verge. It will help you get out of that situation.

[sdenny]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunny

Running out of talent isn't cured by any electonic aids.

Something for the mis-quote engine sir?

[Fluffy Bunny]

Originally Posted by sdenny

Something for the mis-quote engine sir?

I suppose it applies as much in the bedroom as on the road

[cheezemonkhai]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunny

I suppose it applies as much in the bedroom as on the road

What with that rampant pink item in your avatar.

[Fluffy Bunny]

Originally Posted by cheezemonkhai

What with that rampant pink item in your avatar.

Not a lot I can say to that

[jonny boy]

My ASR never comes on. Verdict - I'm driving sensibly, or am I poo driver ?

[auroan]

Remember ASR isn't ESP. All it does is reduce wheel speed when pulling away/ accelerating out of corners.

[skodayouth]

I tested the ASR extensivley on my Octy II, it really did help. Made winter driving much easier and safer, and I tested the ASR on a huge empty Tarmac roundabout where I live, I could drive round it absolutley flat out, and the ASR prevented the nose from running wide and the wheels slipping, turned it off and I was all over the place with mad wheelspin/understeer. When switched on it also gave a bit of lift off oversteer due to the throttle retardation and kept the car much more stable IMHO

It wont help you if you initially enter a corner to fast or in sudden menouvers like ESP though

Overall I think it's a useful gadget for day to day drivers that take it easy, and I think as the Winter months draw in it will make itself more useful for many people

[jonny boy]

Originally Posted by auroan

Remember ASR isn't ESP. All it does is reduce wheel speed when pulling away/ accelerating out of corners.

Really ? I didn't know that ?

[Mort]

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

The only scenario where I can see it really being of benefit is where one wheel is on a slippery surface and another on a grippy one, e.g. one wheel on the verge. It will help you get out of that situation.

Would it? doesn't ASR cut power to both wheels? And that'd still be an **** to control? You'd need ESP for that?

[auroan]

Originally Posted by jonny boy

Really ? I didn't know that ?

Some people don't Espcially when they talk about how it affects cars crashing etc.

[faboka vrs]

But you cant do this with ASR

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[vindaloo]

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

ASR can be good, but very rarely. Under normal driving unless you have no throttle control whatsoever ASR won't help you, but if you are a **** and feel like booting it around every corner with the pedal to the floor, perhaps it might just prevent an accident?

The only scenario where I can see it really being of benefit is where one wheel is on a slippery surface and another on a grippy one, e.g. one wheel on the verge. It will help you get out of that situation.

Ummm.... I find ASR useless if I boot it whilst cornering.... x10 if I'm going up a hill too. The sudden onset of boost and torque overpowers it completely and the car travels in a straight line towards the hedge or tree in front of you, whilst an orange light on the dash tries to tell you something.

Mind you, the roads around where I live are useless. Potholed, hedge bound, worn out, crappily resurfaced...

J.

[cjb]

Originally Posted by Goochie

Pretty much since the Fabia VRS arrived on the scene, people have been saying how they love turning off the ASR "because it's shìt". At the same time, more and more people have been crashing.

Is there a connection?

Maybe. I've never found the ASR intrusive at all- but then I don't drive to provoke wheelspin (most of the time).

Mind you, if they're driving at the point where ASR or ESP is the difference that saves them from crashing, then frankly, they deserve to crash, provided they don't hit others doing it.

[cjb]

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

it is easy to see how people do crash thier fabia, comedy handling, understeer happy, etc etc

They crash it through driving badly. The Fabia understeers, but no more than any other hatch with a big lump of iron at the front, and I wouldn't say it has 'comedy handling'. It's a FWD hatchback, and handles like a reasonably good one.

[Decron]

Originally Posted by Goochie

Is there a connection?

No, there isn't physically but people's perception may be that it will save their metaphoric a55 may is probably more the issue.

ASR or "Anti Slip regualtion" is just there to help increase traction in poor conditions. The VRS is fitted with a pretty basic version that just cuts power when it finds the wheels spinning. In certain conditions it means the difference between going somewhere or just sitting there using the clutch to get the car moving and it's reasonably effective at doing this. It's peoples understanding of what the system is supposed to do that causes the issue.

It's not ESP, it doesn't detect or deal with Yaw. It will not protect the driver from a lack of talent. The VRS is pretty good at finding people who have no talent as you pointed out in an earlier thread.

[Decron]

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

maybe the asr in the vrs model is not that good then?? because on the 2.0 fabia it seems to work ok. although it's not the fastest car in the world it is easy to see how people do crash thier fabia, comedy handling, understeer happy, etc etc

The handling was fine, you just need to know how to drive it.

[bengie]

Originally Posted by Decron

It's not ESP, it doesn't detect or deal with Yaw.

yaw isn't something to deal with, thats like saying ESP detects and deals with your steering angle.

yaw is simply the angle of the car rotationally on the horizontal axis as apposed to pitch and roll(pitch= forward to backward , roll=side to side, yaw=left to right rotationally)

active yaw control on the evo for example is just part of its ESP system that keeps the car traveling in the direction with which you desire, not necessarily in the safest direction though if your pointing it toward a ditch

Yaw angle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ColinD]

ESP off and crashing, maybe. ASR, only link would be a placebo one of the driver thinking he was going to be held back by it thus turning it off and quite possibly finding the laws of physics do in fact exist.

With my esp on, sometimes I feel the car is more dangerous as it applies brakes at in opportunistic moments of a bend, a gentle reminder of the conditions or a prompt to turn off one electronic aid and switch on the other one behind my ears, I never have them both off, when I do I'll crash.

[Bigw2069]

Not got one yet Phil, But I'm sure its on its way