Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup

jasc1988 · 20-05-2008, 22:41

Alright guys been running the Helix clutch and SMF for a while now,

Ever since fitting its been clunky when stationary going from reverse to first and engaging first, sometimes you need to double clutch it...

It doesn't effect the driving of the car just wondered if anyone else's did this.

Basically when the clutch went on my car it blew itself into a million pieces (not really but went in style)

I replaced it with the full kit but didn't change the release bearing... is this likely screwed??

Also on the off chance doesn't anyone know the weight of the flywheel? its the revised one

Ta
Jason

RSmike · 12-11-2008, 20:48

its because your car has been to the moon and back

Lofty86 · 12-11-2008, 23:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSmike

its because your car has been to the moon and back

RSmike has a point, the moon is a long way!!

Seriousally tho, should have changed the release bearing really.
Could have crud in.
Other than that, i know the single mass flywheels chatter abit more.
Dave

r1chard · 12-11-2008, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSmike

its because your car has been to the moon and back

LMAO

if you changed everything else then why not the release bearing ? surely the smf set up would have come with a new release bearing ?
talk about a half arsed job lol

farky77 · 12-11-2008, 23:23

Does no one check original first post dates no more???

jasc1988 · 12-11-2008, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by r1chard

LMAO

if you changed everything else then why not the release bearing ? surely the smf set up would have come with a new release bearing ?
talk about a half arsed job lol

Nah wouldnt say that

at the time i didnt know the release bearing needed done - if id have been half arsed i wouldnt of bought a SMF... 30k on its fine so im happy

farky77 · 12-11-2008, 23:27

Jase, dont bite mate

r1chard · 12-11-2008, 23:33

I was taking the **** chill the **** out, hence I put LOL at the end of it, jesus.......

mathepac · 13-11-2008, 04:39

I'd be concerned that the release rearing wasn't changed. Site sponsors (JabbaSport in my case) always ship a replacement clutch as a kit including a new release bearing and new clutch-cover mounting bolts.

Another possibility is the dog-bone mount either loose or worn. I didn't realise how bad mine was until I did skudmissile's (thanks John) DIY dog-bone mod on a spare mount he supplied me with.

Fill the gaps around the rubber insert on a spare mount with clear silicone and leave it to cure for a day or three. Leave it somewhere the smell won't bother you. Old one out, remembering to use a trolley-jack and a block of wood to support the gear-box, filled one in, which should be good for 10k to 20k miles, when you can repeat the process with the one you removed earlier.

Basil · 13-11-2008, 07:20

Apparently - it's a deep dark secret with uprated clutches - by nature they are clunky in low gears and will often creep in first gear, be difficult to engage. A couple of us have so discovered...
I found even 3rd difficult to engage around corners until I did the dogbone mod: http://briskoda.net/technical-guides...-guide/106368/ Mine has been on for over a year with no probs. Silicon will fall out...
Don't worry about the slave - I changed mine and had worse problems than you report - you learn to live with it....

HTH

Bas

jasc1988 · 13-11-2008, 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basil

Apparently - it's a deep dark secret with uprated clutches - by nature they are clunky in low gears and will often creep in first gear, be difficult to engage. A couple of us have so discovered...
I found even 3rd difficult to engage around corners until I did the dogbone mod: http://briskoda.net/technical-guides...-guide/106368/ Mine has been on for over a year with no probs. Silicon will fall out...
Don't worry about the slave - I changed mine and had worse problems than you report - you learn to live with it....

HTH

Bas

yeah seems to get 'stuck' in first or 2nd - i live with it.... its not every time just the occasional one

im running the vibrateknics dog bone mount too

beedie · 13-11-2008, 19:37

could this be why i have trouble engaging 4th from 5th or 6th?
Never a problem going up the box just a problem coming back down.
Did have the vibra mount on but took it off as it shook swmbo to bits

20-05-2008, 22:41	#1
jasc1988 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,962 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 101 Thanked 131 Times in 126 Posts	Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup Alright guys been running the Helix clutch and SMF for a while now, Ever since fitting its been clunky when stationary going from reverse to first and engaging first, sometimes you need to double clutch it... It doesn't effect the driving of the car just wondered if anyone else's did this. Basically when the clutch went on my car it blew itself into a million pieces (not really but went in style) I replaced it with the full kit but didn't change the release bearing... is this likely screwed?? Also on the off chance doesn't anyone know the weight of the flywheel? its the revised one Ta Jason __________________ Star Remap, BMC, Helix, 312's, Magnex, Vibratechniks mount, Allard Power Pipe, VMaxx Coilies, CCV mod, Pikey Short Shifter, Stainless Boost pipes, Pikey arch mod, HID's, 17's, Heated Seats, Cruise + many more

12-11-2008, 20:48	#2
RSmike Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Carlisle Posts: 148 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup its because your car has been to the moon and back

12-11-2008, 23:23	#5
farky77 Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 906 Members Car: Fabia Vrs Thanks: 69 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup Does no one check original first post dates no more??? __________________ 05 Plate, Black Magic, BMW Imola Red leather interior, BBS LM's, tints and more to come.........................

12-11-2008, 23:27	#7
farky77 Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 906 Members Car: Fabia Vrs Thanks: 69 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup Jase, dont bite mate __________________ 05 Plate, Black Magic, BMW Imola Red leather interior, BBS LM's, tints and more to come.........................

12-11-2008, 23:33	#8
r1chard It goes well... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Penrith Cumbria Posts: 219 Members Car: Fabia VRS Images: 17 Thanks: 12 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup I was taking the ** chill the out, hence I put LOL at the end of it, jesus....... __________________ Fabia vrs, diesel do nicely...**

13-11-2008, 04:39	#9
mathepac Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kilkenny, Ireland Posts: 1,307 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 37 Thanked 80 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup I'd be concerned that the release rearing wasn't changed. Site sponsors (JabbaSport in my case) always ship a replacement clutch as a kit including a new release bearing and new clutch-cover mounting bolts. Another possibility is the dog-bone mount either loose or worn. I didn't realise how bad mine was until I did skudmissile's (thanks John) DIY dog-bone mod on a spare mount he supplied me with. Fill the gaps around the rubber insert on a spare mount with clear silicone and leave it to cure for a day or three. Leave it somewhere the smell won't bother you. Old one out, remembering to use a trolley-jack and a block of wood to support the gear-box, filled one in, which should be good for 10k to 20k miles, when you can repeat the process with the one you removed earlier. __________________ SKN Stage 1 Remap, 175 / 325, KW V1's, 17" Audi TT Comps & Toyo Proxes, JabbaSport RARB, Cage Mod, Pikey Arch Vent Mod, PD160, K&N Panel Filter, Milltek turbo-back exhaust, 312 mm brakes, Mintex X1's, Osram Night Breakers, Seat Surgeons Leather, Bosch Aero Wipers, brisky sticker & number plate surrounds, 'Ring sticker, SRE Organic Clutch, Sachs DMF, release bearing, cam-belt, tensioner & idler, water-pump, G12+, aux belt & tensioner, engine mount bolts. Turbo Dynamics PD150 Hybrid, Forge FMIC, Allard Race Pipe, CCV catch Can

13-11-2008, 07:20	#10
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,255 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 200 Thanked 194 Times in 151 Posts	Re: Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup Apparently - it's a deep dark secret with uprated clutches - by nature they are clunky in low gears and will often creep in first gear, be difficult to engage. A couple of us have so discovered... I found even 3rd difficult to engage around corners until I did the dogbone mod: http://briskoda.net/technical-guides...-guide/106368/ Mine has been on for over a year with no probs. Silicon will fall out... Don't worry about the slave - I changed mine and had worse problems than you report - you learn to live with it.... HTH Bas __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

13-11-2008, 19:37	#12
beedie Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Posts: 428 Members Car: Fabia VRS '04 Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Clunky Reverse and 1st gear after Helix setup could this be why i have trouble engaging 4th from 5th or 6th? Never a problem going up the box just a problem coming back down. Did have the vibra mount on but took it off as it shook swmbo to bits __________________ Fabia VRS '04, 170bhp, 280lbf-ft, Star Performanced, PD160 Intake, K&N Filter, SEAT Sport Strut Brace, Jabba ARB, 18"Team Dynamics Pro Race 2's with Toyo T1R's 215/35 R18, 312mm Discs and Calipers, KW Varient 1 Coilovers, Forge FMIC, Custom Decals, Helix Organic Clutch with Single Mass Flywheel, JVC HU, RE SUB, ALPINE AMP WANTED:Exhaust, Turbo, Custom Remap Next Step: Sound Deadening and Front Comps

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