Just tell me if its possible....

camerashy · 19-07-2005, 20:47

R32 internals - gearbox, engine, 4*4 system etc...into a stripped 1.4 8v Furby chassis?

including brakes hubs etc. i've got access to a machine shop and several engineer mateys....all fully qualified and well up for a 'sleeper' car to be made.

any rough idea of costs? or is the mk3 gold VR6 engine a better bet?

any help gladly appreciated.

devonutopia · 19-07-2005, 20:49

Principally I guess yes, but I reckon mega bulkhead hacking out would be needed to get that MASSIVE block inside the engine bay.

WRCSixtyThree · 19-07-2005, 23:07

With enough expertise, time and effort, you could fit a V16 truck engine into a Mini.

It's not quite that extreme, but it's certainly doable. Quite why you'd want to bother with all the expense and hassle is beyond me, but go for it anyway.

Got to be harder than an Octy-R32 conversion because the basic floorpan's different, but certainly it's possible.

jamlip · 19-07-2005, 23:12

I guess you're going to need to do some cutting to get that 4x4 system in there.

Check out the red Mk1 Golf made by a guy called Ben Leach. It runs a Rallye 4WD system and 20VT. And it looks completely standard. Awesome. He cut the spare wheel well out and had to raise a part of the floor to get the rear differential in.

My vote goes on a 20VT before you look at a VR6.

devonutopia · 19-07-2005, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamlip

My vote goes on a 20VT before you look at a VR6.

Much easier to work with for sure.

Bigw2069 · 20-07-2005, 09:17

pah, don’t listen to them, go nuts and do it

it will be a pig to get in, especially if you put the full 4wd system in, but they don’t call them project cars for nothing.

if you have a full machine shop and some guys with a decent engineering head on at your disposal then that’s a bonus.

Just make sure you buy plenty plate steel to strengthen up that chassis

another route may be, one car i seen in +the golf magazine i think last month, was a Porsche IIRC 944 floor pan all the Porsche engine, seats, hubs the lot, then he dropped a golf shell on top of it, by cutting the golf down the middle both ways and putting extension pieces in so the car was about a foot wider and a foot longer. great project.

but imho by the time you have finished this project and look at your spending you'd have been just as cheap buying an R32 putting a single tailpipe and 1.4 badges on it if you want a sleeper.

good luck if you try tho, i love a challenge.

Shifty · 20-07-2005, 09:38

Go for it!! The wider track and awsome exhaust note might give a few folks a clue, but what a machine that will be. A tuning company years ago put cossie 4x4 engine and running gear in a Dimma Pug 205 to great effect. Wasn't really a sleeper as such cos of the Dimma conversion, but the figures were mighty impressive.

jamlip · 20-07-2005, 09:57

Yeah OK OK - R32.

The split Golf was a TVR floorpan, running gear and engine. See it and it is very odd

EddyH · 20-07-2005, 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamlip

Yeah OK OK - R32.

The split Golf was a TVR floorpan, running gear and engine. See it and it is very odd

There was a 944 based golf in PVW a while ago.

**TaviaRS** · 20-07-2005, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty

A tuning company years ago put cossie 4x4 engine and running gear in a Dimma Pug 205 to great effect. Wasn't really a sleeper as such cos of the Dimma conversion, but the figures were mighty impressive.

Best ones I saw were 2 Ford KAs, one with Evo VI running gear and one with Escort Cosworth. Running gravel rally suspension they looked slightly taller than standard, but, bu99er, they was quick

Bigw2069 · 20-07-2005, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamlip

Yeah OK OK - R32.

The split Golf was a TVR floorpan, running gear and engine. See it and it is very odd

that was a different one, but the same idea, only thing is that one looked ****, the porsche one was well finished

***ncarring*** · 20-07-2005, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigw2069

pah, don’t listen to them, go nuts and do it

it will be a pig to get in, especially if you put the full 4wd system in, but they don’t call them project cars for nothing.

if you have a full machine shop and some guys with a decent engineering head on at your disposal then that’s a bonus.

Just make sure you buy plenty plate steel to strengthen up that chassis

another route may be, one car i seen in +the golf magazine i think last month, was a Porsche IIRC 944 floor pan all the Porsche engine, seats, hubs the lot, then he dropped a golf shell on top of it, by cutting the golf down the middle both ways and putting extension pieces in so the car was about a foot wider and a foot longer. great project.

but imho by the time you have finished this project and look at your spending you'd have been just as cheap buying an R32 putting a single tailpipe and 1.4 badges on it if you want a sleeper.

good luck if you try tho, i love a challenge.

Artz did that with a 928 in the 80's - sure that's not the one you were thinking of?

Bigw2069 · 20-07-2005, 12:35

i tell you what, i'll dig the mag out just now to quench the curiosity

camerashy · 20-07-2005, 12:42

k, well we're going to start looking at the costs/benefits of the varying types of engines etc and seeing exactly what we CAN do with the axles/driveshafts on the underside of the car etc. but ideally we do want it running VAG engine gear purely from a cost/avaliability point of view.

will let you know what we come up with.

***ColinD*** · 20-07-2005, 12:53

Well R32 fits in a MKIII with a supercharger, at least I think its the MKIII golf, was at JBS a while back.

Either way it will not be cheap, but anything is possible. I thin I read about a punto with a TT 20v in it...now thats just now funny.

EddyH · 20-07-2005, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColinD

Well R32 fits in a MKIII with a supercharger, at least I think its the MKIII golf, was at JBS a while back.

Either way it will not be cheap, but anything is possible. I thin I read about a punto with a TT 20v in it...now thats just now funny.

It's a Mk2 Golf and it sounds really good, belongs to a guy called John I used to work with. It's defo not 4wd and I don't think it uses the R32 box either.

As you say though it's supercharged and looks fairly stock, the under bonnet installtion is particularly neat.

Not heard of the punto with the TT engine but there's definetely a TT engined Clio.

jamlip · 20-07-2005, 19:00

There's a Renault 5 with a 20VT in it. Saw it last weekend - it wasn't working very well.

Was speaking about this today to a mechanic who does a hell-load of VAG engine conversions, and he reckoned go for a 20VT as it is only 25bhp or so down on the R32, and is loads lighter, smaller, easier to fit and will still provide a mind-blowing drive. Plus it could be chipped over the power of a standard R32 anyway.

Bigw2069 · 07-09-2005, 01:29

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19-07-2005, 20:47	#1
camerashy Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 423 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just tell me if its possible.... R32 internals - gearbox, engine, 4*4 system etc...into a stripped 1.4 8v Furby chassis? including brakes hubs etc. i've got access to a machine shop and several engineer mateys....all fully qualified and well up for a 'sleeper' car to be made. any rough idea of costs? or is the mk3 gold VR6 engine a better bet? any help gladly appreciated.

19-07-2005, 20:49	#2
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Bigw2069 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rosyth,Scotland Posts: 5,382 Thanks: 201 Thanked 200 Times in 164 Posts	pah, don’t listen to them, go nuts and do it it will be a pig to get in, especially if you put the full 4wd system in, but they don’t call them project cars for nothing. if you have a full machine shop and some guys with a decent engineering head on at your disposal then that’s a bonus. Just make sure you buy plenty plate steel to strengthen up that chassis another route may be, one car i seen in +the golf magazine i think last month, was a Porsche IIRC 944 floor pan all the Porsche engine, seats, hubs the lot, then he dropped a golf shell on top of it, by cutting the golf down the middle both ways and putting extension pieces in so the car was about a foot wider and a foot longer. great project. but imho by the time you have finished this project and look at your spending you'd have been just as cheap buying an R32 putting a single tailpipe and 1.4 badges on it if you want a sleeper. good luck if you try tho, i love a challenge. __________________

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Shifty Cereal Killer Join Date: May 2005 Location: The home of witty banter™ Posts: 6,195 Thanks: 69 Thanked 141 Times in 80 Posts	Go for it!! The wider track and awsome exhaust note might give a few folks a clue, but what a machine that will be. A tuning company years ago put cossie 4x4 engine and running gear in a Dimma Pug 205 to great effect. Wasn't really a sleeper as such cos of the Dimma conversion, but the figures were mighty impressive. __________________ Official 0 to 60 mph - 5.85 seconds. Standing 1/4 mile - 14.3 seconds. 251.5 BHP and 400 lbs/ft of torque. Oh - and 55 mpg on a run Everyone knows someone called Dave. And here I am

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jamlip Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 492 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I guess you're going to need to do some cutting to get that 4x4 system in there. Check out the red Mk1 Golf made by a guy called Ben Leach. It runs a Rallye 4WD system and 20VT. And it looks completely standard. Awesome. He cut the spare wheel well out and had to raise a part of the floor to get the rear differential in. My vote goes on a 20VT before you look at a VR6.

20-07-2005, 09:57	#8
jamlip Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 492 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah OK OK - R32. The split Golf was a TVR floorpan, running gear and engine. See it and it is very odd

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Bigw2069 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rosyth,Scotland Posts: 5,382 Thanks: 201 Thanked 200 Times in 164 Posts	i tell you what, i'll dig the mag out just now to quench the curiosity __________________

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camerashy Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 423 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	k, well we're going to start looking at the costs/benefits of the varying types of engines etc and seeing exactly what we CAN do with the axles/driveshafts on the underside of the car etc. but ideally we do want it running VAG engine gear purely from a cost/avaliability point of view. will let you know what we come up with.

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*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,210 Thanks: 22 Thanked 138 Times in 70 Posts	Well R32 fits in a MKIII with a supercharger, at least I think its the MKIII golf, was at JBS a while back. Either way it will not be cheap, but anything is possible. I thin I read about a punto with a TT 20v in it...now thats just now funny. __________________ ColinD - 97/100 Limited Edition Octavia vRS < For Sale www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner. E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

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jamlip Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 492 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There's a Renault 5 with a 20VT in it. Saw it last weekend - it wasn't working very well. Was speaking about this today to a mechanic who does a hell-load of VAG engine conversions, and he reckoned go for a 20VT as it is only 25bhp or so down on the R32, and is loads lighter, smaller, easier to fit and will still provide a mind-blowing drive. Plus it could be chipped over the power of a standard R32 anyway.

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