Mcguard locking wheel nut problem

Mike UK · 25-04-2008, 12:33

Hiya,
Just got a call from the skoda garage that they have snapped the locking wheel nut key and the nuts are on too tight and cant be removed with it

They said they want £170 to remove them which I have just given them the go ahead the thing that worries me is they said its possible that the wheels might get damaged (vrs alloys) and the hubs might need replacing if the worst comes to the worst.

Anyone know what the likelyhood of the damage caused will be?

..Dawm thing only went in for an MOT and front bushes! wouldnt care I asked the tyre fitter to take care putting the wheel nuts on!.

I give up (gets on bus!)

ap0gee · 25-04-2008, 12:38

Maybe telling him to be careful was like a red rag to a bull. No excuse for it, though!

I imagine they'll either drill out the bolts or try heating the hub with a blowtorch, which is why they've been indemnifying themselves to the hilt...

Mike UK · 25-04-2008, 12:40

its the second time this has happened 1st by quickfit and the 2nd by independent tyre monkey

Doesn't sound very alloy wheel friendly they needed a refurb but don't think ill be affording that for a while now.

bobjim · 25-04-2008, 12:52

yeah quickfit are poop they overtigthen the nuts, i told them they dont need to be that tight but he insisted they did, so as soon as i got outside i losened the nuts,

Mike UK · 25-04-2008, 13:01

Ah well its not like I could of bought anything interesting with £170 *crys!*

Guess I better get some new locking wheel nuts Mcguard still the best ones to go for?

Cannot believe my luck with cars! how hard can it be to correctly fit a locking wheel nut!

Lofty86 · 25-04-2008, 13:12

If they snapped the nut/socket, ask for it back and see if you can see any markings sugesting an air rachet (which should NOT be used for this very reason).
If they have, they can pay.
Theres NO way it costs £170 to get a nut off, not even at £50ph.
Ive got a snap-on socket ro remove snapped bolts/studs, and i paid about £36inc. vat.
Dave

Mike UK · 25-04-2008, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lofty86

If they snapped the nut/socket, ask for it back and see if you can see any markings suggesting an air ratchet (which should NOT be used for this very reason)

My girlfriends given them the go ahead and probably removing them probably as I type this

I said I bet they used a air gun to remove them.

**EDIT**
They still haven't got the locking wheel nuts off curtiousey car for the weekend
I am definitely buying Mcguard ones again lol

cheezemonkhai · 25-04-2008, 16:38

TBH if they snapped the bolts and you haven't done anything on them I would think one of the two garages could have a liability if you could prove this.

£170 seems a hell of a lot as a wheel would be less than £100 and they could `just` cut the old wheel and then remove the thread by turning after welding something onto it.

FAST FITZ · 25-04-2008, 17:50

locking wheels nuts are easy removed, and why would you want locking wheel nuts on a car, they are just pure bad news. only one thing for lockin wheel nuts is the skip.
slacken the other 4 nuts of the rim, not right off the rim just a few threads, and with the locking wheel nut at the top of the rim hit the tyre with a sledge hammer if you have low profile tyres just a bit of timber at the top of the rim,

this should break the seal of the alloy and nut, if they are the rotating one big chisel and hammer, if they are like torx or spline, find a bit of steel rod to big to fit and heat it with the burners and sledge it in to it, all these methods have got me out of hanulins before.

Lofty86 · 26-04-2008, 08:55

Yeah, do this is a good idea, just be abit careful.

Mike UK · 26-04-2008, 18:26

Looks like ill be waiting until Monday to see whats happened

the 1.2 fabia 2 they lent me isnt bad apart from it being the most dirtiest car I have had to drive.

ultra_joel88 · 26-04-2008, 18:58

wheels nuts should be tightned to 120nm if I recall.

they always overtighten them, morons

FAST FITZ · 26-04-2008, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultra_joel88

wheels nuts should be tightned to 120nm if I recall.

they always overtighten them, morons

wheels nuts shouldn't be tightened throw them out, scrap them

Mike UK · 27-04-2008, 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAST FITZ

wheels nuts shouldn't be tightened throw them out, scrap them

Think ill be not putting them back on £35 Locking wheel nuts + £170 to remove them ..It would of been cheaper if they had been nicked!

ultra_joel88 · 27-04-2008, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAST FITZ

wheels nuts shouldn't be tightened throw them out, scrap them

huh?

Decron · 27-04-2008, 18:08

Did you search?

Doesn't look like it because if you had it could have saved you £170, this has been posted twice in the last 6 months IIRC.

It's a simple process remving these bolts (Probably too simple) and if your careful you wont damage your wheels especially as there are no sledgehammers involved

. Go to Halfords/Motorworld/Many other motorfactors and buy a Laser Locking wheelnut removal socket (They come in pairs and are around £15). You need a 1/2" ratchet and extension and you just wind it onto the bolt and remove it. You then need a mole grips/vice to detatch the socket from the bolt and the bolt is destroyed in the process. You then fit new bolts (Halfords/Motorworld/Many other motorfactors)

Takes about an hour to do all four and refit the new bolts.

Lummox · 27-04-2008, 18:16

I doubt you will get one of them to work on a McGuard locking wheel bolt in a Fabia vRS alloy. The recess in which the bolt sits is just to small and you cant get anything but a very thin walled socket down the sides of them. Last set I did I had to drill them out which took ages. Zero damage to the wheels though.

Decron · 27-04-2008, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

I doubt you will get one of them to work on a McGuard locking wheel bolt in a Fabia vRS alloy. The recess in which the bolt sits is just to small and you cant get anything but a very thin walled socket down the sides of them. Last set I did I had to drill them out which took ages. Zero damage to the wheels though.

Had to use them twice on my VRS. First time was when I lost the key, the second time was when the Ball and Chain lost the key. It is a challange to get it lined up right so it doesn't catch but it can be done.

Lummox · 27-04-2008, 18:59

OK fair enough. I know they work on the std ones but hadnt tried on McGuards.

Mike UK · 28-04-2008, 18:09

Girlfriend got an update from the dealer today

Apparently they sent the car away to somewhere to get the locking wheel nuts "lazered" off they said they got them off but one or more alloys have been scratched.

Also they are replacing the suspension bushes she got a call to say the car will have to stay in as it keeps splitting bushes

Really getting annoyed now ..Lazering wheel nuts off are they high?!

25-04-2008, 12:33	#1
Mike UK Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 175 Thanks: 33 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Mcguard locking wheel nut problem Hiya, Just got a call from the skoda garage that they have snapped the locking wheel nut key and the nuts are on too tight and cant be removed with it They said they want £170 to remove them which I have just given them the go ahead the thing that worries me is they said its possible that the wheels might get damaged (vrs alloys) and the hubs might need replacing if the worst comes to the worst. Anyone know what the likelyhood of the damage caused will be? ..Dawm thing only went in for an MOT and front bushes! wouldnt care I asked the tyre fitter to take care putting the wheel nuts on!. I give up (gets on bus!)

25-04-2008, 12:38	#2
ap0gee ASZ Eternal Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Leafy Chesh-shire Posts: 6,505 Thanks: 320 Thanked 315 Times in 271 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem Maybe telling him to be careful was like a red rag to a bull. No excuse for it, though! I imagine they'll either drill out the bolts or try heating the hub with a blowtorch, which is why they've been indemnifying themselves to the hilt... __________________

25-04-2008, 12:40	#3
Mike UK Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 175 Thanks: 33 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem its the second time this has happened 1st by quickfit and the 2nd by independent tyre monkey Doesn't sound very alloy wheel friendly they needed a refurb but don't think ill be affording that for a while now.

25-04-2008, 12:52	#4
bobjim Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ****-ryside Posts: 458 Thanks: 24 Thanked 25 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem yeah quickfit are poop they overtigthen the nuts, i told them they dont need to be that tight but he insisted they did, so as soon as i got outside i losened the nuts,

25-04-2008, 13:01	#5
Mike UK Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 175 Thanks: 33 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem Ah well its not like I could of bought anything interesting with £170 crys! Guess I better get some new locking wheel nuts Mcguard still the best ones to go for? Cannot believe my luck with cars! how hard can it be to correctly fit a locking wheel nut!

25-04-2008, 13:12	#6
Lofty86 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chippenham Posts: 449 Thanks: 22 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem If they snapped the nut/socket, ask for it back and see if you can see any markings sugesting an air rachet (which should NOT be used for this very reason). If they have, they can pay. Theres NO way it costs £170 to get a nut off, not even at £50ph. Ive got a snap-on socket ro remove snapped bolts/studs, and i paid about £36inc. vat. Dave __________________ '53 Fabia vRS. PD160 intake, Green Cotton Filter, Pikey Intercooler Mod, 312mm Brakes. Debaged Rear End. Fixed The Rear Door Leak! Ready to fit: 19Row Fuel Cooler, Braided Fuel Line, NACA Duct, Wheelarch Pikey Mod. To Buy: FSD's, Pro1.2's, FMIC, LSD, Devils Own Water/Meth Injection, Clucth, SM Flywheel, Hybrid Turbo + Remap. ££££

25-04-2008, 16:38	#8
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,615 Thanks: 86 Thanked 396 Times in 367 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem TBH if they snapped the bolts and you haven't done anything on them I would think one of the two garages could have a liability if you could prove this. £170 seems a hell of a lot as a wheel would be less than £100 and they could `just` cut the old wheel and then remove the thread by turning after welding something onto it. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

25-04-2008, 17:50	#9
FAST FITZ Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 49 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem locking wheels nuts are easy removed, and why would you want locking wheel nuts on a car, they are just pure bad news. only one thing for lockin wheel nuts is the skip. slacken the other 4 nuts of the rim, not right off the rim just a few threads, and with the locking wheel nut at the top of the rim hit the tyre with a sledge hammer if you have low profile tyres just a bit of timber at the top of the rim, this should break the seal of the alloy and nut, if they are the rotating one big chisel and hammer, if they are like torx or spline, find a bit of steel rod to big to fit and heat it with the burners and sledge it in to it, all these methods have got me out of hanulins before.

26-04-2008, 08:55	#10
Lofty86 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chippenham Posts: 449 Thanks: 22 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem Yeah, do this is a good idea, just be abit careful. __________________ '53 Fabia vRS. PD160 intake, Green Cotton Filter, Pikey Intercooler Mod, 312mm Brakes. Debaged Rear End. Fixed The Rear Door Leak! Ready to fit: 19Row Fuel Cooler, Braided Fuel Line, NACA Duct, Wheelarch Pikey Mod. To Buy: FSD's, Pro1.2's, FMIC, LSD, Devils Own Water/Meth Injection, Clucth, SM Flywheel, Hybrid Turbo + Remap. ££££ Last edited by DGW; 27-04-2008 at 20:46. Reason: Redundant quote deleted.

26-04-2008, 18:26	#11
Mike UK Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 175 Thanks: 33 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem Looks like ill be waiting until Monday to see whats happened the 1.2 fabia 2 they lent me isnt bad apart from it being the most dirtiest car I have had to drive.

26-04-2008, 18:58	#12
ultra_joel88 Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Brecon/ Cardiff Posts: 2,235 Thanks: 21 Thanked 82 Times in 80 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem wheels nuts should be tightned to 120nm if I recall. they always overtighten them, morons __________________ '04 Fabia VRS - 312mm Brakes, Whiteline RARB, SEAT Sport Strut Brace, Pipercross Panel Filter & PD160 Intake, Pioneer and Infinity ICE, Custom exhaust system w/ de-cat, CCV Bypass w/ Catch Can, Boost + Volt Gauge, Window Tints

27-04-2008, 18:08	#16
Decron It's all good Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cwmbran - South Wales Posts: 3,363 Thanks: 57 Thanked 212 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem Did you search? Doesn't look like it because if you had it could have saved you £170, this has been posted twice in the last 6 months IIRC. It's a simple process remving these bolts (Probably too simple) and if your careful you wont damage your wheels especially as there are no sledgehammers involved . Go to Halfords/Motorworld/Many other motorfactors and buy a Laser Locking wheelnut removal socket (They come in pairs and are around £15). You need a 1/2" ratchet and extension and you just wind it onto the bolt and remove it. You then need a mole grips/vice to detatch the socket from the bolt and the bolt is destroyed in the process. You then fit new bolts (Halfords/Motorworld/Many other motorfactors) Takes about an hour to do all four and refit the new bolts.

27-04-2008, 18:16	#17
Lummox U18 Automotive Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,750 Thanks: 22 Thanked 634 Times in 544 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem I doubt you will get one of them to work on a McGuard locking wheel bolt in a Fabia vRS alloy. The recess in which the bolt sits is just to small and you cant get anything but a very thin walled socket down the sides of them. Last set I did I had to drill them out which took ages. Zero damage to the wheels though. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services now open Servicing, repairs, modifications you name it we do it. Cupra console bushes at special price, PM for a very competitive quote.

27-04-2008, 18:59	#19
Lummox U18 Automotive Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,750 Thanks: 22 Thanked 634 Times in 544 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem OK fair enough. I know they work on the std ones but hadnt tried on McGuards. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services now open Servicing, repairs, modifications you name it we do it. Cupra console bushes at special price, PM for a very competitive quote.

28-04-2008, 18:09	#20
Mike UK Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 175 Thanks: 33 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mcguard locking wheel nut problem Girlfriend got an update from the dealer today Apparently they sent the car away to somewhere to get the locking wheel nuts "lazered" off they said they got them off but one or more alloys have been scratched. Also they are replacing the suspension bushes she got a call to say the car will have to stay in as it keeps splitting bushes Really getting annoyed now ..Lazering wheel nuts off are they high?!

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