Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR???

Rich E Lee · 19-06-2006, 05:23

Hey guys!

Well yeah this is my first real thread on this forum and the main point of this is the question... Fabia VRS? or Ibiza FR?

Right, I've currently got a mk4 ibiza 1.2s it's a 3cyl 12v! Not the most powerful car out there and revving it to the limit everytime to get it up to a decent speed is a bit frustrating to say the least. I've been looking at something affordable, economical and fun at the same time! A bit of an impossibility I thought until I came across the Skoda Fabia VRS. From face value I have to admit it's not the most pretty car out there, but there's something about it which seems more agressive than the ibiza FR. It's more angular, boxy and mean looking in my opinion which is a plus point.

The ibiza FR is a "sexier", curvier car I suppose and the new FRs are just plain sporty! but does it look too boyracer? I've got an ibiza now and I think it is a great car, amazing quality and hardly any problems whatsoever. So this is what's nagging at me. Do I save my cash for longer and splash out on the FR or screw it and get a Fabia in the nearer future? I tried getting a quote for the ibiza and it's basically around £3000! even insurance for a 1.9tdi sport ibiza is £2800! Whereas insurance for the Fabia is £1500ish. so right now the fabia looks tempting. I dont know which way to go really. If any of you on here can help it would be greatly appreciated.

My main concerns are:

*Quality. Has Skoda really sorted out their act? I mean what's the difference of the package overall compared to a Seat or a VW? I'm not expecting it to be as good as a VW but i dont want it to be that much worse than an ibiza!

*performance. I heard great stories about remaps and even as standard I'm sure it'll be enough of a handful but what's realistic? Is it as good as the Ibizas or golfs?

*maintenance. Will it cost me an arm and a leg? Yeah obviously it depends on the way i drive but I'd hate to have to shell out loads if things go wrong with the turbo or whatever. Tyres will probably be eaten pretty quick with that amount of torque I'd imagine.

*Practicality. My 1.2 at the moment has really good mpg probably about 45-50mpg if driven sensibly and not so good the way I drive if I'm in a rush! Is the mpg of this car amazing? Will it still be good if it was remapped?

Is it really worth changing!? Seriously now guys, I know you're probably loving the fabia but i need a balanced view on this if possible

but yeah i only had my current car a little over a year now. It bores me and costs quite a lot in petrol if i'm honest. If I change cars would it be the same case of me wanting to change it again in another year? Any pros or cons that anyone can shed light on would be great. Thanks for taking your time reading guys!

Richie

MikeW · 19-06-2006, 06:09

MPG should be about the same as the figures you quote for your Ibiza. Remaps can sometimes INCREASE mpg.
With the insurance i would say go for the Fabia and spend what you've save on remaps
Best thing to do is go for a test drive too!

Mil · 19-06-2006, 06:31

*Quality. Has Skoda really sorted out their act?

-I don't have a vRS, mine's a 2.0, which I've owned the past 3.5 years. It's never let me down, it runs pretty strong, the interiors are generally very well done and in general is a top-quality product. You're not looking at an Audi, but the the quality of Skoda cars are generally up a couple of notches over Seat.

*Performance. I heard great stories about remaps and even as standard I'm sure it'll be enough of a handful but what's realistic? Is it as good as the Ibizas or golfs?

-Almost everyone on here who has a vRS has undergone the whole PD160 intake ECU remap stage and hit an average figure of 180bhp. Torque hits high figures too, but then again the whole 'talk of torque' thing applies to high gear acceleration pretty much, so unless your on the track, your tires on the road should be just fine.

*Maintenance. Will it cost me an arm and a leg?

-Here in the UAE, parts at VW cost 3 times more than the same parts cost at Skoda, so the Skoda dealer here has a lot of VW customers coming in to purchase the spares. Skoda are pretty renowned for very reasonable service costs.

*Practicality. My 1.2 at the moment has really good mpg probably about 45-50mpg if driven sensibly and not so good the way I drive if I'm in a rush! Is the mpg of this car amazing? Will it still be good if it was remapped?

-People on here claim higher MPG when the car's been remapped.

*Is it really worth changing!?

-That's a question you ask when you are really unsure about the brand in question because of past reputation. Get over it and get yourself a Fabia vRS, it's a great car...taka taka taka.

Td-eye · 19-06-2006, 07:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich E Lee

Hey guys!

Well yeah this is my first real thread on this forum and the main point of this is the question... [b]Fabia VRS? or Ibiza FR?

Well, I don't think there's any doubt in my mind the Fabia is easily the better car as will no doubt be confirmed by those on here who love them.

But don't just take our word for it, nationally in the JD Power survey 2005 which includes matters such as reliability the Skoda Fabia was 4th & the Seat Ibiza 97th !

http://www.whatcar.com/NonCar/134555445.jpg

You know it makes sense !

ScoobyChris · 19-06-2006, 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Td-eye

But don't just take our word for it, nationally in the JD Power survey 2005 which includes matters such as reliability the Skoda Fabia was 4th & the Seat Ibiza 97th !

How can that be if the cars are the same, mechanically?

Personally, I'd drive both and then pick which one you prefer

As far as running costs, servicing, etc go they should be on a par and you can always get a Skoda serviced at a Seat dealer or vice versa as they're essentially the same cars

I believe the FR comes with more kit as standard (proper climate control?), but I'm a bit out of date

MPG will vary depending on how you drive - some members are reporting averages as low as mid-30's for the car

Also remember that if you remap it, you'll be chucking away your warranty and also hiking up your insurance

Chris

Decron · 19-06-2006, 12:12

Drive both.

You will soon make up your mind.

navarino · 19-06-2006, 12:22

Quote:

*Quality. Has Skoda really sorted out their act? I mean what's the difference of the package overall compared to a Seat or a VW? I'm not expecting it to be as good as a VW but i dont want it to be that much worse than an ibiza!

You have to be joking? Skodas have fantastic build quality - compared to the leon I replaced it with my old vRS was light years ahead in terms of build quality! Lots of similar parts part but put together with a great deal more pride at Skoda it would seem!

If I were you I wouldn't think twice about it - go for vRS!

chris_newell41 · 19-06-2006, 12:33

the Fabia and the Ibiza are more or less identical mechanically and thats it. the interiors are different and the body shell is different from what I can see (maybe wrong?). From looking at the ibiza when I was doing test drives the Fabia looked like it had been put together a lot better and using more precise methods where as the ibiza used cheaper materials and it looked a bit tacky. Yes the Fabia is a bit plain jane on the dash but it has a real good qulaity fit.

it's not how good the parts are it's how good they have been put together!

the JD power survey could be a bit misleading but by 93 places? I doubt it.

I read a comparision of the Ibiza FR , skoda fabia VRS and the VW polo sport. the Fabia came out top with the VW behind and the Ibiza last. they said it had cheap and nasty interior.

I'm sure there both good cars, the fabia was for me as it's classy (maybe ugly - but as someone else said that a good thing!) and veryunderstated unlike the Ibiza which is in your face and cheap looking.

barney_b · 19-06-2006, 12:55

I'd go for the vRS, it looks the most agressive compared to the Ibiza and Polo. Actually I think the other two look a bit girly.

The build quality of the Skoda is very good (the same as my Dad's VW) perhaps the interior plastics aren't as flash but it's well bulit (try removing the head unit and you'll realise how well built it is!). Having just driven an 05 Renault Clio for 25 miles I can assure you I can't wait to get back in my Skoda. The clio's gear stick lunges back and forth when accelerating!

EddyH · 19-06-2006, 13:09

Brand new pre facelift FR's can be picked up for under £10k but there aren't many left.

If both were the same price I'd choose the Fabia as I prefer the interior quality and I think that's important given that's the part of the car you'll see most of.

vRS19TD · 19-06-2006, 13:22

As has already been said, test drive both but with the Fabia vRS possibly going to be replaced/updated soon, then the Seat looks a better option, unless you wait for the new Fabia vRS to come out, whenever that may be!!!

xaser04 · 19-06-2006, 13:46

Juding by the insurance quotes and the fact that you can pick up a VRS for less than a Ibixa FR (with the same engine) I would take the VRS anyday. Having sat in the ibiza I found some of the interior plastics not up to the same standard as those in the fabia.

I personally think the VRS looks alot better. It doesn't stand out as much as the Ibiza which can have its advantages.

As for quality myself and my dad have both come from audi's (me A2 to VRS / my dad A3 new shape to Octavia II) and personally there is no drop in quality between the two in either cars. Parts are also cheaper.

BrOwS · 19-06-2006, 15:40

I was in a similar position back in March when I was trying to decide whether to go for the new FR or the Fabia. As you can tell from my sig, I think you can guess

My personal reasons:

1) Three years AA with no stupid restrictions unlike the Seat Mobility Package.
2) Full size spare wheel
3) Three years manufacturers warranty.
4) Attitude of dealership. Seat treated me badly and attempted to fob me off, Skoda treated me like a human being.
5) Skoda service costs cheaper.
6) Leather and heated seats option.
7) Although the Fabia does sit high, the new FR appears to be on stilts with those 17" wheels!
8) The smugness factor of my car not standing out and according to TG being uncool to own.

Obviously you may have your own reasons but I don't regret my decision.

vrsdh · 19-06-2006, 15:42

Ive just changed from a 3 year old ibiza SE pd100 into a brand new Vrs.
Ive only had the a few days with the vrs, so first impressions,

1. Quality, both cars are very good, the vrs feels a bigger, better built car, although the Ibiza has a more stylish dash.
Over the first year of the Ibiza, returned back to the dealership, due new alternator, radio, seatbelt, driver door not closing properly. Only time will tell
with the Vrs.

2. Performance, Still running in on the vrs, going up from pd100 to pd130.
the Ibiza had great mid range acceleration, 4th and 5th ingear good.

3. Maint, I was just over Average Mileage done on the ibiza and found it quiet expresive services, ive got the vrs on a service contract, to make it easier to budget. Fuel was 440 - 470 miles to a tank.

4 Practicality, Ibiza was on a 3 door, vrs 5 door, depends what your needs are.

I been looking around ibiza fr along side the vrs, both cars meet my needs, although vrs seemed better built, and secondly skoda as a brand, seems always much higher in survey's.

postmanpat · 19-06-2006, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich E Lee

Hey guys!

*Quality. Has Skoda really sorted out their act? I mean what's the difference of the package overall compared to a Seat or a VW? I'm not expecting it to be as good as a VW but i dont want it to be that much worse than an ibiza!

Didn't know they had an act that needed sorting out! Had no problems of note in the last Eleven years of ownership.

lozgti · 19-06-2006, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich E Lee

I tried getting a quote for the ibiza and it's basically around £3000! even insurance for a 1.9tdi sport ibiza is £2800! Whereas insurance for the Fabia is £1500ish.

we talking the 1.8T engine in the FR? Gawd that's expensive.

Do you want a 3 door car or 5?

Skodas are fine.Gossip about poor Seat dealers has put me off looking at the brand but they are both fine cars.

I just could not justify that insurance.I would get another 1.2 for a bit

Rich E Lee · 19-06-2006, 17:01

The £3000ish insurance quote is for a 1.9TDI 130 FR!

The Fabia is looking very tempting

I'm not a badge snob so owning a Skoda isn't a problem for me. I naturally assumed that since the Seats were more expensive then therefore they are better quality? In terms of Skoda sorting their act out, I was only asking because of the horror stories I've heard of their previous reputation.

Uhhh I like Seat but the aftersales service from my personal experience is terrible. I just hope the Skoda guys are better!

As to when I'm getting a new car? possibly a few months time but if i wait for the FR then at least a year or two!

P-A · 19-06-2006, 17:08

Get a VRS - Ibizas are for girls!

chris_newell41 · 19-06-2006, 17:09

the day of the horrors of skoda is gone. Big Daddy VW will not let anything happen like that as it would affect thier reputation too. At the end of the day you are buying into the VAG and thier quality has not faultered for the past 10 years.

it's funny to see all the mechanics/interior bar codes and part codes have VW or Audi cast into them. Seems we are getting Audi and VW parts on the cheap! you can't fault it.

plus when VW bought out skoda they also trained all the staff and built a high tech manufacturing plant in czech which is still ahead of it's time now. The technology and processes are well beyond what it used to be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-A

Get a VRS - Ibizas are for girls!

and this too

Rich E Lee · 19-06-2006, 17:31

haha it is convincing this whole fabia VRS malarky. As for Ibizas being for girls? That's a bit harsh, I reckon it looks great however a lot more curvy!

Is the Fabia as well equipped as the Ibiza FR though? And what models of VRS are there? What I mean by this is what are the differences between the Fabias which are manufactured from different years? And yes if i'm getting a VRS, it'll be a second hand one with low mileage, up to 15-20k miles would be fine!

probably in silver...with xenons and cruise control? Possible? :p

oh yeah what is ESP? What does it do?

19-06-2006, 05:23	#1
Rich E Lee Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? Hey guys! Well yeah this is my first real thread on this forum and the main point of this is the question... Fabia VRS? or Ibiza FR? Right, I've currently got a mk4 ibiza 1.2s it's a 3cyl 12v! Not the most powerful car out there and revving it to the limit everytime to get it up to a decent speed is a bit frustrating to say the least. I've been looking at something affordable, economical and fun at the same time! A bit of an impossibility I thought until I came across the Skoda Fabia VRS. From face value I have to admit it's not the most pretty car out there, but there's something about it which seems more agressive than the ibiza FR. It's more angular, boxy and mean looking in my opinion which is a plus point. The ibiza FR is a "sexier", curvier car I suppose and the new FRs are just plain sporty! but does it look too boyracer? I've got an ibiza now and I think it is a great car, amazing quality and hardly any problems whatsoever. So this is what's nagging at me. Do I save my cash for longer and splash out on the FR or screw it and get a Fabia in the nearer future? I tried getting a quote for the ibiza and it's basically around £3000! even insurance for a 1.9tdi sport ibiza is £2800! Whereas insurance for the Fabia is £1500ish. so right now the fabia looks tempting. I dont know which way to go really. If any of you on here can help it would be greatly appreciated. My main concerns are: Quality. Has Skoda really sorted out their act? I mean what's the difference of the package overall compared to a Seat or a VW? I'm not expecting it to be as good as a VW but i dont want it to be that much worse than an ibiza! performance. I heard great stories about remaps and even as standard I'm sure it'll be enough of a handful but what's realistic? Is it as good as the Ibizas or golfs? maintenance. Will it cost me an arm and a leg? Yeah obviously it depends on the way i drive but I'd hate to have to shell out loads if things go wrong with the turbo or whatever. Tyres will probably be eaten pretty quick with that amount of torque I'd imagine. Practicality. My 1.2 at the moment has really good mpg probably about 45-50mpg if driven sensibly and not so good the way I drive if I'm in a rush! Is the mpg of this car amazing? Will it still be good if it was remapped? Is it really worth changing!? Seriously now guys, I know you're probably loving the fabia but i need a balanced view on this if possible but yeah i only had my current car a little over a year now. It bores me and costs quite a lot in petrol if i'm honest. If I change cars would it be the same case of me wanting to change it again in another year? Any pros or cons that anyone can shed light on would be great. Thanks for taking your time reading guys! Richie Last edited by Rich E Lee; 19-06-2006 at 05:27.

19-06-2006, 06:09	#2
MikeW Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,505 Thanks: 9 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? MPG should be about the same as the figures you quote for your Ibiza. Remaps can sometimes INCREASE mpg. With the insurance i would say go for the Fabia and spend what you've save on remaps Best thing to do is go for a test drive too!

19-06-2006, 06:31	#3
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,801 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? Quality. Has Skoda really sorted out their act? -I don't have a vRS, mine's a 2.0, which I've owned the past 3.5 years. It's never let me down, it runs pretty strong, the interiors are generally very well done and in general is a top-quality product. You're not looking at an Audi, but the the quality of Skoda cars are generally up a couple of notches over Seat. Performance. I heard great stories about remaps and even as standard I'm sure it'll be enough of a handful but what's realistic? Is it as good as the Ibizas or golfs? -Almost everyone on here who has a vRS has undergone the whole PD160 intake ECU remap stage and hit an average figure of 180bhp. Torque hits high figures too, but then again the whole 'talk of torque' thing applies to high gear acceleration pretty much, so unless your on the track, your tires on the road should be just fine. Maintenance. Will it cost me an arm and a leg? -Here in the UAE, parts at VW cost 3 times more than the same parts cost at Skoda, so the Skoda dealer here has a lot of VW customers coming in to purchase the spares. Skoda are pretty renowned for very reasonable service costs. Practicality. My 1.2 at the moment has really good mpg probably about 45-50mpg if driven sensibly and not so good the way I drive if I'm in a rush! Is the mpg of this car amazing? Will it still be good if it was remapped? -People on here claim higher MPG when the car's been remapped. Is it really worth changing!? -That's a question you ask when you are really unsure about the brand in question because of past reputation. Get over it and get yourself a Fabia vRS, it's a great car...taka taka taka. __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government* Last edited by Mil; 19-06-2006 at 06:33.

19-06-2006, 12:12	#6
Decron It's all good Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cwmbran - South Wales Posts: 3,372 Thanks: 58 Thanked 218 Times in 171 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? Drive both. You will soon make up your mind.

19-06-2006, 12:33	#8
chris_newell41 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,505 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? the Fabia and the Ibiza are more or less identical mechanically and thats it. the interiors are different and the body shell is different from what I can see (maybe wrong?). From looking at the ibiza when I was doing test drives the Fabia looked like it had been put together a lot better and using more precise methods where as the ibiza used cheaper materials and it looked a bit tacky. Yes the Fabia is a bit plain jane on the dash but it has a real good qulaity fit. it's not how good the parts are it's how good they have been put together! the JD power survey could be a bit misleading but by 93 places? I doubt it. I read a comparision of the Ibiza FR , skoda fabia VRS and the VW polo sport. the Fabia came out top with the VW behind and the Ibiza last. they said it had cheap and nasty interior. I'm sure there both good cars, the fabia was for me as it's classy (maybe ugly - but as someone else said that a good thing!) and veryunderstated unlike the Ibiza which is in your face and cheap looking. __________________ Fabia Vrs Blackmagic! Xenons, Cruise Control, Heated Seats and ESP Wednesday 12th may 2006 was my VRS day Last edited by chris_newell41; 19-06-2006 at 12:36.

19-06-2006, 12:55	#9
barney_b Skud Owner Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 435 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? I'd go for the vRS, it looks the most agressive compared to the Ibiza and Polo. Actually I think the other two look a bit girly. The build quality of the Skoda is very good (the same as my Dad's VW) perhaps the interior plastics aren't as flash but it's well bulit (try removing the head unit and you'll realise how well built it is!). Having just driven an 05 Renault Clio for 25 miles I can assure you I can't wait to get back in my Skoda. The clio's gear stick lunges back and forth when accelerating! __________________ My Fabia > Mikey the Pikey

19-06-2006, 13:09	#10
EddyH Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 4,897 Thanks: 40 Thanked 26 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? Brand new pre facelift FR's can be picked up for under £10k but there aren't many left. If both were the same price I'd choose the Fabia as I prefer the interior quality and I think that's important given that's the part of the car you'll see most of. __________________ EddyH Audi S8 Audi A3 2.0 TDI Sport

19-06-2006, 13:22	#11
vRS19TD Silver Fab vRS Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Stourbridge, West Midlands Posts: 1,868 Thanks: 98 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? As has already been said, test drive both but with the Fabia vRS possibly going to be replaced/updated soon, then the Seat looks a better option, unless you wait for the new Fabia vRS to come out, whenever that may be!!! __________________ John http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j79/vRS19TD/ www.petrolprices.com For Cheap Fuel Prices in Your Area. http://www.myspace.com/vrs19td This is me, if you're interested. Also on Facebook.

19-06-2006, 13:46	#12
xaser04 Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 66 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? Juding by the insurance quotes and the fact that you can pick up a VRS for less than a Ibixa FR (with the same engine) I would take the VRS anyday. Having sat in the ibiza I found some of the interior plastics not up to the same standard as those in the fabia. I personally think the VRS looks alot better. It doesn't stand out as much as the Ibiza which can have its advantages. As for quality myself and my dad have both come from audi's (me A2 to VRS / my dad A3 new shape to Octavia II) and personally there is no drop in quality between the two in either cars. Parts are also cheaper. __________________ '04' Corrida Red Fabia vRS <---- What a car! ! ! '55' Silver Octavia 2.0TDI Sport

19-06-2006, 15:40	#13
BrOwS Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Farnborough Posts: 149 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? I was in a similar position back in March when I was trying to decide whether to go for the new FR or the Fabia. As you can tell from my sig, I think you can guess My personal reasons: 1) Three years AA with no stupid restrictions unlike the Seat Mobility Package. 2) Full size spare wheel 3) Three years manufacturers warranty. 4) Attitude of dealership. Seat treated me badly and attempted to fob me off, Skoda treated me like a human being. 5) Skoda service costs cheaper. 6) Leather and heated seats option. 7) Although the Fabia does sit high, the new FR appears to be on stilts with those 17" wheels! 8) The smugness factor of my car not standing out and according to TG being uncool to own. Obviously you may have your own reasons but I don't regret my decision. __________________ Past 1999(V) Seicento Sporting (ITG Induction Kit, Red Dot Brakes, Janspeed Exhaust) Past 2002(52) Punto Sporting (ECU Remap) Present 2006(06) Skoda Fabia vRS (ESP, Xenons, Cruise Control, Heated Seats, Leather Interior, CD Changer) Future Koenigsegg CCX (With Top Gear Spoiler)

19-06-2006, 15:42	#14
vrsdh Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? Ive just changed from a 3 year old ibiza SE pd100 into a brand new Vrs. Ive only had the a few days with the vrs, so first impressions, 1. Quality, both cars are very good, the vrs feels a bigger, better built car, although the Ibiza has a more stylish dash. Over the first year of the Ibiza, returned back to the dealership, due new alternator, radio, seatbelt, driver door not closing properly. Only time will tell with the Vrs. 2. Performance, Still running in on the vrs, going up from pd100 to pd130. the Ibiza had great mid range acceleration, 4th and 5th ingear good. 3. Maint, I was just over Average Mileage done on the ibiza and found it quiet expresive services, ive got the vrs on a service contract, to make it easier to budget. Fuel was 440 - 470 miles to a tank. 4 Practicality, Ibiza was on a 3 door, vrs 5 door, depends what your needs are. I been looking around ibiza fr along side the vrs, both cars meet my needs, although vrs seemed better built, and secondly skoda as a brand, seems always much higher in survey's.

19-06-2006, 17:01	#17
Rich E Lee Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? The £3000ish insurance quote is for a 1.9TDI 130 FR! The Fabia is looking very tempting I'm not a badge snob so owning a Skoda isn't a problem for me. I naturally assumed that since the Seats were more expensive then therefore they are better quality? In terms of Skoda sorting their act out, I was only asking because of the horror stories I've heard of their previous reputation. Uhhh I like Seat but the aftersales service from my personal experience is terrible. I just hope the Skoda guys are better! As to when I'm getting a new car? possibly a few months time but if i wait for the FR then at least a year or two!

19-06-2006, 17:08	#18
P-A Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 460 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? Get a VRS - Ibizas are for girls!

19-06-2006, 17:31	#20
Rich E Lee Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Should I get a Fab VRS or stick it out for an Ibiza FR??? haha it is convincing this whole fabia VRS malarky. As for Ibizas being for girls? That's a bit harsh, I reckon it looks great however a lot more curvy! Is the Fabia as well equipped as the Ibiza FR though? And what models of VRS are there? What I mean by this is what are the differences between the Fabias which are manufactured from different years? And yes if i'm getting a VRS, it'll be a second hand one with low mileage, up to 15-20k miles would be fine! probably in silver...with xenons and cruise control? Possible? :p oh yeah what is ESP? What does it do?

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