Turbos

Mil · 07-07-2005, 18:19

I need advice.

How much is a decent turbo package and what does it usually consist of?? I'm thinking piston heads, sparks, throttle bodies and ECU remap will be required for the car to bear the pressure?? How many horsepower can I get out of a turbo, and I don't want those big ones in Skylines because they have way too much turbolag.

Advice please?

**TaviaRS** · 07-07-2005, 18:20

Go for an ickle one. Not sure of the layout of the new 2.0 TFSI block, may be possible to adapt what you have on yours to take one of them

Mil · 07-07-2005, 18:24

Ickle? You mean small??

Fine I already knew that, but you guys have turbo'd cars so you would know what upgrades are needed with a turbo kit right??

Or would a supercharger be better where I'll never have lag?

bengie · 07-07-2005, 18:28

i would have thought that the cheapest and easiest way to go would be to drop a 1.8T in there rather than turbo your 2.0?

and yes if you wanted a decent amount of boost you would *probably* need new rods, pistons, valves, gasket, manifold, down pipe, exhaust, turbo, management, injectors, fuel pump and probably more that i have forgotton/don't know

FabiaTDi · 07-07-2005, 18:29

There is a supercharger conversion available for this engine somewhere.. will have a look..

**TaviaRS** · 07-07-2005, 18:31

Shopping list for you:

http://www.vwturbo.com/products/items/mkiv8v.asp

ScoobyChris · 07-07-2005, 18:32

Yeah the trouble is the 2.0l is not designed to take a turbo, so it would only be able to run relatively low boost without strengthening the engine. As Bengie said, better off just dropping a turbo lump in it directly - big turbo will be more bhp, small turbo will reduce lag, but will run out of puff quicker. Hybrid may be an option to get round that? Or a twin turbo set up

Supercharger requires drive to generate power whereas the turbo's use exhaust gases.....

What you thinking of doing?

Chris

**TaviaRS** · 07-07-2005, 18:33

Or here

FabiaTDi · 07-07-2005, 18:35

Found it - its Neuspeed..

http://www.neuspeed.com/products/pro...euro&p_id=1016

Glider · 07-07-2005, 18:36

Go down the 1.8T route, cheap and easy go gain more BHP, 265 is simple and cheapish then add a big turbo.

bengie · 07-07-2005, 18:44

that charger kit would see you to about 170bhp, just drop a 1.8T in i say

Tom_vRS · 07-07-2005, 18:46

After all the

you give us vRS owners regarding turbos!!

I'm with everyone else, would be better to drop in a 1.8T lump, at least you know your getting something with available spares, reliability, more power etc...

Or just buy a proper vRS.

**TaviaRS** · 07-07-2005, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

Or just buy a proper vRS.

But he like the Fabia and doesn't want an Octy

Mil · 08-07-2005, 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

After all the

you give us vRS owners regarding turbos!!

I'm with everyone else, would be better to drop in a 1.8T lump, at least you know your getting something with available spares, reliability, more power etc...

Or just buy a proper vRS.

I gave you the

because you're drivin' cars with truck engines

If there was no turbo in it, it wouldn't move, unlike NA petrols

Chris I was thinkin' of just adding a turbo with necessary engine mods to cope with the boost, but then again with the figures you've given me it makes more sense to have an engine transplant and stick the Octi vRS turbo engine in my car instead. How much would that cost??

And I actually DO like the Octi vRS, and I very much prefer the output of that car's engine to the Fabia vRS and the fact that it's a petrol is even better (no offense to diesel owners).

I don't know...maybe I should just leave the car as it is, and when the time comes, sell it and get myself a Honda Civic Type-R. OR, I could get a supercharger for my car, and since it runs off a belt off the crankshaft. I won't have lag. Instant power, much lower cost compared to turbo, though it ain't as oomphy.

Man, I wish I was in England to meet you guys. It would be cool to talk in person and compare and race!!!

**TaviaRS** · 08-07-2005, 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mil

It would be cool to talk in person and compare and race!!!

Wouldn't be much of a race in my case

Or should that be

You decide

As for the supercharge, it takes power to run it, eg on the merc SLR it takes over 110bhp just to run the supercharger

Mil · 08-07-2005, 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

Wouldn't be much of a race in my case

Or should that be

You decide

You'll never know

logiclee · 08-07-2005, 10:21

I'd also say that it would be cheaper and more reliable to drop in a 1.8T than try and turbo a 2.0l.
You are going to need manifolds, heads, strengthend internals, sensors, custom ECU, etc etc. and thats before you get into reliability issues. Would be far easier to get a full 1.8T complete with all the electronics and make it fit.

As for the Skyline, ever driven one? Standard the have a sequential setup with small turbo first that spools up quickly. They suffer very little lag.
Only above about 400bhp does the standard setup become a problem and only then do you need a large single turbo.

Cheers
Lee

Mil · 08-07-2005, 10:42

Or go for a twin turbo with one small and one big to minimise lag and blow power up :d

07-07-2005, 18:19	#1
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,794 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Turbos I need advice. How much is a decent turbo package and what does it usually consist of?? I'm thinking piston heads, sparks, throttle bodies and ECU remap will be required for the car to bear the pressure?? How many horsepower can I get out of a turbo, and I don't want those big ones in Skylines because they have way too much turbolag. Advice please? __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government

07-07-2005, 18:20	#2
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,917 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Go for an ickle one. Not sure of the layout of the new 2.0 TFSI block, may be possible to adapt what you have on yours to take one of them __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

07-07-2005, 18:24	#3
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,794 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Ickle? You mean small?? Fine I already knew that, but you guys have turbo'd cars so you would know what upgrades are needed with a turbo kit right?? Or would a supercharger be better where I'll never have lag? __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government

07-07-2005, 18:28	#4
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 14,576 Thanks: 15 Thanked 109 Times in 98 Posts	i would have thought that the cheapest and easiest way to go would be to drop a 1.8T in there rather than turbo your 2.0? and yes if you wanted a decent amount of boost you would probably need new rods, pistons, valves, gasket, manifold, down pipe, exhaust, turbo, management, injectors, fuel pump and probably more that i have forgotton/don't know __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

07-07-2005, 18:29	#5
FabiaTDi VT5 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,016 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There is a supercharger conversion available for this engine somewhere.. will have a look.. __________________ Was: Allard Tuned Fabia vRS VT5 Turbo Conversion Now: '06 BMW 320i Auto On Order: New Audi A3 Sportback TDI

07-07-2005, 18:31	#6
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,917 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Shopping list for you: http://www.vwturbo.com/products/items/mkiv8v.asp __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

07-07-2005, 18:32	#7
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,086 Thanks: 15 Thanked 322 Times in 280 Posts	Yeah the trouble is the 2.0l is not designed to take a turbo, so it would only be able to run relatively low boost without strengthening the engine. As Bengie said, better off just dropping a turbo lump in it directly - big turbo will be more bhp, small turbo will reduce lag, but will run out of puff quicker. Hybrid may be an option to get round that? Or a twin turbo set up Supercharger requires drive to generate power whereas the turbo's use exhaust gases..... What you thinking of doing? Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

07-07-2005, 18:33	#8
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,917 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Or here __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

07-07-2005, 18:35	#9
FabiaTDi VT5 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,016 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Found it - its Neuspeed.. http://www.neuspeed.com/products/pro...euro&p_id=1016 __________________ Was: Allard Tuned Fabia vRS VT5 Turbo Conversion Now: '06 BMW 320i Auto On Order: New Audi A3 Sportback TDI Last edited by FabiaTDi; 07-07-2005 at 18:37.

07-07-2005, 18:36	#10
Glider Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 2,400 Thanks: 5 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts	Go down the 1.8T route, cheap and easy go gain more BHP, 265 is simple and cheapish then add a big turbo.

07-07-2005, 18:44	#11
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 14,576 Thanks: 15 Thanked 109 Times in 98 Posts	that charger kit would see you to about 170bhp, just drop a 1.8T in i say __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

07-07-2005, 18:46	#12
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 10,716 Thanks: 556 Thanked 361 Times in 243 Posts	After all the you give us vRS owners regarding turbos!! I'm with everyone else, would be better to drop in a 1.8T lump, at least you know your getting something with available spares, reliability, more power etc... Or just buy a proper vRS. __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green. << Clickable for boring info. My Journal

08-07-2005, 10:21	#17
logiclee Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 787 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'd also say that it would be cheaper and more reliable to drop in a 1.8T than try and turbo a 2.0l. You are going to need manifolds, heads, strengthend internals, sensors, custom ECU, etc etc. and thats before you get into reliability issues. Would be far easier to get a full 1.8T complete with all the electronics and make it fit. As for the Skyline, ever driven one? Standard the have a sequential setup with small turbo first that spools up quickly. They suffer very little lag. Only above about 400bhp does the standard setup become a problem and only then do you need a large single turbo. Cheers Lee __________________ Another Ex-Scooby owner. Mondeo TDCi 130 6 Speed Ghia, Octavia 1.9TDi Elegance (Now Sold), Fabia 1.9TDi Comfort and Felicia 1.9D GLi

08-07-2005, 10:42	#18
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,794 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Or go for a twin turbo with one small and one big to minimise lag and blow power up :d __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government

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