Any Honda type R beating vrs's?

hurricaine · 08-05-2008, 12:08

Well was driving home last night in my fab vrs (custom code phase 1, jabba RARB, 312mm) and had a play off the lights and beyond (up to the legal speed limit) with a Honda type R.

It left me for dead to say the least very quick car, I wouldn't have expected my car to be quicker but was surprised just how much faster the type r was.

Anyone on here got a fabia vrs that has been modded to a degree that it can take on a civic typeR. I'm curious to know the level required to make a fabia a type R killer - if it is possible at all that is!

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 12:12

Depends who you ask...

I think there's an unwritten rule against vRS vs. CTR threads, 'cos so many of them appeared a little while back. There are a few 200bhp+ Fabias on here, which I presume ought to be faster than a CTR...???

symonevans · 08-05-2008, 12:17

Hahahaha, another type r thread. A type R will always have you off the line. If your already moving and then catch them out of VTEC then you will pull away a little, then it'll be up your chuff unless you've got a VT2 or garrett

apd007 · 08-05-2008, 12:19

A 2.0 litre Fabia would have took it like a king.

Vista · 08-05-2008, 12:19

Hehe, well, when I asked a similar question I sparked a bit of a debate. Always a hot topic, with plenty of cans of worms open all over the place.

Check this out.

http://briskoda.net/forums/fabia/fab...type-r/101747/

fatty5000 · 08-05-2008, 12:24

Sonic1980 · 08-05-2008, 12:26

Type R = hot hatch as standard. 0-60 in 6 and a bit seconds. Made for racing and getting thrashed.

VRs = mildly warm hatch that is heavy for its size. 0-60 in 9 ish seconds. Not got a hope unless Type R is in hands of a numpty (in gear or not!!!) Needs alot spent on it to be near Type R - say £1000 for new turbo. £500 for custom remap. Cooling for new system = £1000. Plus all the peripherals needed on top (brakes, clutch, suspension, LSD? etc) This should see 200bhp and keeping up with type R till a corner turns up.

Totally different cars though tbh. Vrs was never intended to be a racer. A competent overtaker it is though.

And it regularly sees 50mpg, something the average Type R driver is 1) not interested in 2) will never see...

Saying that - Im happy with my car - about £1200 has seen a car that can keep up with my brothers Cooper S and his 535i (from 40-100 ish) through gears... 1st and 2nd is just rampant wheelspin.

**TaviaRS** · 08-05-2008, 12:35

Which Type R are we taking about? Old Civic, new Civic, new JDM Civic, new or old Teg, Accord, S2000, NSX?

So many Type Rs, all of which will give you a pasting, of varying degrees, assuming they don't have a complete feckwit behind the wheel....

As to which Fabia, Jason would give it a good run as would a few others, but they have had a fair bit of money spent on them - £5k+ at a guess....

Sonic1980 · 08-05-2008, 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

Which Type R are we taking about? Old Civic, new Civic, new JDM Civic, new or old Teg, Accord, S2000, NSX?

So many Type Rs, all of which will give you a pasting, of varying degrees, assuming they don't have a complete feckwit behind the wheel....

As to which Fabia, Jason would give it a good run as would a few others, but they have had a fair bit of money spent on them - £5k+ at a guess....

I suppose adding £5k to asking price of £11.5k for new fabia (when it was new) mkes the asking price of Type R?

Then you ge a car that does the same (ish) with added fuel efficiency...?

**TaviaRS** · 08-05-2008, 12:39

but no warranty......

hurricaine · 08-05-2008, 12:51

Was just a standard looking civic old type R. I bet it is a lot more aerodynamic than the fabia as well! Maybe a nos system is the answer? :-) anyone got one of those?!!

Lofty86 · 08-05-2008, 13:16

If you want a fast Skoda, you may want a Octavia vRS.

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurricaine

Was just a standard looking civic old type R. I bet it is a lot more aerodynamic than the fabia as well! Maybe a nos system is the answer? :-) anyone got one of those?!!

No, but Jason has LPG injection, I think...

Fab vRS · 08-05-2008, 15:17

I had an Accord Type R (209bhp) before my Fabia vRS and there's no way you'd beat a Type R in a 0-60mph race unless:

(a) the driver was asleep/stupid

or

(b) the driver wanted you to win or couldn't be bothered to race

30-70mph is different of course but my Accord ALREADY had a LSD and a reinforced rear bulkhead (like a HUGE RARB!) plus low profile tyres (17").

As someone else has said, the R means Racing and that's what they are DESIGNED to do.

If you want to race (legally of course) then a Type R is for you.

If you want a car that will cruise quietly on the motorway at 70 AND return 45+ mpg then the Type R is NOT for you.

I had mine for 7 years and 102,000 miles.

Guess what went wrong in all that time?

NOTHING (apart from new discs and pads and tyres)!

True...

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 15:23

Having been in a colleague's ATR, though, I found it had zero headroom, and I nearly managed to put my fingers through the bodywork trying to get the door open. I have bags of room in the Fabia, and it doesn't feel like it's going to be dented when it rains heavily. Can't argue with your experiences reliability-wise, but it didn't feel as well-designed or -built IMO.

[pedant mode] A reinforced rear bulkhead would work like a strut brace, not an RARB! [/pedant mode]

But coming back to the point of the thread, even a highly-tuned Fabia vRS would struggle against a CTR. But then a CTR is in the sector above, so it really ought to be compared against the Octy. Don't know about the previous versions, but I suspect the latest Octy vRS would give the latest CTR a good run for its money...?

Fab vRS · 08-05-2008, 15:27

Sorry - strut brace!

You had zero headroom? How tall are you? I'm 6' 2" and I had no problem at all, plus the Recaros are super comfy.

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fab vRS

Sorry - strut brace!

You had zero headroom? How tall are you? I'm 6' 2" and I had no problem at all, plus the Recaros are super comfy.

Only 6', but I was in the passenger seat - maybe not adjustable? My head wasn't hitting the roof lining or anything, but it felt close enough that it bothered me...

jabba_luke · 08-05-2008, 16:03

Im pritty sure jasons should cofidently beat a Civic type R, i know mine used to!!! and with a track day at croft to back it up

*bring on the "a fabia could never beat a type R even if it had 1000bhp" comments

**TaviaRS** · 08-05-2008, 16:05

I don't dispute that it could beat one, but you would need to seriously mod the Fabia to do so. And seeing as there was only about a 2K price difference between the 2 cars when new.....

Basil · 08-05-2008, 16:11

did it a few weeks ago.
Did not post about it as there are several trolls about that like to stir up the skoda enthusiasts on here ad nauseum.

Hope a mod closes this thread soon- as it's only gonna end up in upset.

my 2p

Bas

tdirob · 08-05-2008, 16:13

not again...

ns_sullivan · 08-05-2008, 16:19

getting back to the original point made though with this thread.
My mate next door has a CTR no mods except induction kit. so no real improvement.
When ever we go out in both my VRS and his CTR I never stay with him until we hit motorways or dual carriageways where I can use my midrange. His off the line speed is rediculous compared to the VRS. So really to answer the statement about is it possible.
Yes it is possible if you have the money. (anything is possible) however would you want to is a different matter.
YES I WOULD.

The CTR is a brilliant car in standard mode, make mods to it and it just gets better.
several draw backs though.
insurance groupe 16 ctr. 9 vrs,
mpg. 20 on good day CTR 35 on bad day VRS
OTR cost £16000+ £11500

really I lok at it this way. with the money saved on cost of car and insurance I can build a VRS to out do a CTR and still have money left over after 3 years owning the car... as long as you spend wisely...

x_boxer_x · 08-05-2008, 16:46

i wish my skoda would beat a CTR, maybe when its heavily modded it will be on par

GlacierNR · 08-05-2008, 16:50

They really are two very different cars designed for two significantly different purposes. Really, any Fabia is bought because it is a sensible, economical and somewhat reliable car. A CTR is made for track-days and such. Yes, a VRS can be made into a fairly hot hatch, but via significantly sacrificing its original qualities.
Once again, the same old point: why spend more money that it would cost to buy a CTR (reliable as the day is long, specifically designed to race) to make a VRS (also a decent car with different pedigree) compete in only some areas?

STOP THE MADNESS!!! :-)

DizMeisTa · 08-05-2008, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by symonevans

Hahahaha, another type r thread. A type R will always have you off the line. If your already moving and then catch them out of VTEC then you will pull away a little, then it'll be up your chuff unless you've got a VT2 or garrett

lol at get them out of vtec....

so the engine pops out?

08-05-2008, 12:08	#1
hurricaine Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: east middlands Posts: 99 Members Car: Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any Honda type R beating vrs's? Well was driving home last night in my fab vrs (custom code phase 1, jabba RARB, 312mm) and had a play off the lights and beyond (up to the legal speed limit) with a Honda type R. It left me for dead to say the least very quick car, I wouldn't have expected my car to be quicker but was surprised just how much faster the type r was. Anyone on here got a fabia vrs that has been modded to a degree that it can take on a civic typeR. I'm curious to know the level required to make a fabia a type R killer - if it is possible at all that is!

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Fab vRS Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 163 Members Car: Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Any Honda type R beating vrs's? I had an Accord Type R (209bhp) before my Fabia vRS and there's no way you'd beat a Type R in a 0-60mph race unless: (a) the driver was asleep/stupid or (b) the driver wanted you to win or couldn't be bothered to race 30-70mph is different of course but my Accord ALREADY had a LSD and a reinforced rear bulkhead (like a HUGE RARB!) plus low profile tyres (17"). As someone else has said, the R means Racing and that's what they are DESIGNED to do. If you want to race (legally of course) then a Type R is for you. If you want a car that will cruise quietly on the motorway at 70 AND return 45+ mpg then the Type R is NOT for you. I had mine for 7 years and 102,000 miles. Guess what went wrong in all that time? NOTHING (apart from new discs and pads and tyres)! True... Last edited by Fab vRS; 08-05-2008 at 15:23.

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ap0gee ASZ Eternal Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Leafy Chesh-shire Posts: 6,863 Members Car: Black Magic Fabia vRS Thanks: 346 Thanked 366 Times in 317 Posts	Re: Any Honda type R beating vrs's? Having been in a colleague's ATR, though, I found it had zero headroom, and I nearly managed to put my fingers through the bodywork trying to get the door open. I have bags of room in the Fabia, and it doesn't feel like it's going to be dented when it rains heavily. Can't argue with your experiences reliability-wise, but it didn't feel as well-designed or -built IMO. [pedant mode] A reinforced rear bulkhead would work like a strut brace, not an RARB! [/pedant mode] But coming back to the point of the thread, even a highly-tuned Fabia vRS would struggle against a CTR. But then a CTR is in the sector above, so it really ought to be compared against the Octy. Don't know about the previous versions, but I suspect the latest Octy vRS would give the latest CTR a good run for its money...? __________________

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