Any Honda type R beating vrs's?

hurricaine · 08-05-2008, 12:08

Well was driving home last night in my fab vrs (custom code phase 1, jabba RARB, 312mm) and had a play off the lights and beyond (up to the legal speed limit) with a Honda type R.

It left me for dead to say the least very quick car, I wouldn't have expected my car to be quicker but was surprised just how much faster the type r was.

Anyone on here got a fabia vrs that has been modded to a degree that it can take on a civic typeR. I'm curious to know the level required to make a fabia a type R killer - if it is possible at all that is!

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 12:12

Depends who you ask...

I think there's an unwritten rule against vRS vs. CTR threads, 'cos so many of them appeared a little while back. There are a few 200bhp+ Fabias on here, which I presume ought to be faster than a CTR...???

symonevans · 08-05-2008, 12:17

Hahahaha, another type r thread. A type R will always have you off the line. If your already moving and then catch them out of VTEC then you will pull away a little, then it'll be up your chuff unless you've got a VT2 or garrett

apd007 · 08-05-2008, 12:19

A 2.0 litre Fabia would have took it like a king.

Vista · 08-05-2008, 12:19

Hehe, well, when I asked a similar question I sparked a bit of a debate. Always a hot topic, with plenty of cans of worms open all over the place.

Check this out.

http://briskoda.net/forums/fabia/fab...type-r/101747/

fatty5000 · 08-05-2008, 12:24

Sonic1980 · 08-05-2008, 12:26

Type R = hot hatch as standard. 0-60 in 6 and a bit seconds. Made for racing and getting thrashed.

VRs = mildly warm hatch that is heavy for its size. 0-60 in 9 ish seconds. Not got a hope unless Type R is in hands of a numpty (in gear or not!!!) Needs alot spent on it to be near Type R - say £1000 for new turbo. £500 for custom remap. Cooling for new system = £1000. Plus all the peripherals needed on top (brakes, clutch, suspension, LSD? etc) This should see 200bhp and keeping up with type R till a corner turns up.

Totally different cars though tbh. Vrs was never intended to be a racer. A competent overtaker it is though.

And it regularly sees 50mpg, something the average Type R driver is 1) not interested in 2) will never see...

Saying that - Im happy with my car - about £1200 has seen a car that can keep up with my brothers Cooper S and his 535i (from 40-100 ish) through gears... 1st and 2nd is just rampant wheelspin.

**TaviaRS** · 08-05-2008, 12:35

Which Type R are we taking about? Old Civic, new Civic, new JDM Civic, new or old Teg, Accord, S2000, NSX?

So many Type Rs, all of which will give you a pasting, of varying degrees, assuming they don't have a complete feckwit behind the wheel....

As to which Fabia, Jason would give it a good run as would a few others, but they have had a fair bit of money spent on them - £5k+ at a guess....

Sonic1980 · 08-05-2008, 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

Which Type R are we taking about? Old Civic, new Civic, new JDM Civic, new or old Teg, Accord, S2000, NSX?

So many Type Rs, all of which will give you a pasting, of varying degrees, assuming they don't have a complete feckwit behind the wheel....

As to which Fabia, Jason would give it a good run as would a few others, but they have had a fair bit of money spent on them - £5k+ at a guess....

I suppose adding £5k to asking price of £11.5k for new fabia (when it was new) mkes the asking price of Type R?

Then you ge a car that does the same (ish) with added fuel efficiency...?

**TaviaRS** · 08-05-2008, 12:39

but no warranty......

hurricaine · 08-05-2008, 12:51

Was just a standard looking civic old type R. I bet it is a lot more aerodynamic than the fabia as well! Maybe a nos system is the answer? :-) anyone got one of those?!!

Lofty86 · 08-05-2008, 13:16

If you want a fast Skoda, you may want a Octavia vRS.

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurricaine

Was just a standard looking civic old type R. I bet it is a lot more aerodynamic than the fabia as well! Maybe a nos system is the answer? :-) anyone got one of those?!!

No, but Jason has LPG injection, I think...

Fab vRS · 08-05-2008, 15:17

I had an Accord Type R (209bhp) before my Fabia vRS and there's no way you'd beat a Type R in a 0-60mph race unless:

(a) the driver was asleep/stupid

or

(b) the driver wanted you to win or couldn't be bothered to race

30-70mph is different of course but my Accord ALREADY had a LSD and a reinforced rear bulkhead (like a HUGE RARB!) plus low profile tyres (17").

As someone else has said, the R means Racing and that's what they are DESIGNED to do.

If you want to race (legally of course) then a Type R is for you.

If you want a car that will cruise quietly on the motorway at 70 AND return 45+ mpg then the Type R is NOT for you.

I had mine for 7 years and 102,000 miles.

Guess what went wrong in all that time?

NOTHING (apart from new discs and pads and tyres)!

True...

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 15:23

Having been in a colleague's ATR, though, I found it had zero headroom, and I nearly managed to put my fingers through the bodywork trying to get the door open. I have bags of room in the Fabia, and it doesn't feel like it's going to be dented when it rains heavily. Can't argue with your experiences reliability-wise, but it didn't feel as well-designed or -built IMO.

[pedant mode] A reinforced rear bulkhead would work like a strut brace, not an RARB! [/pedant mode]

But coming back to the point of the thread, even a highly-tuned Fabia vRS would struggle against a CTR. But then a CTR is in the sector above, so it really ought to be compared against the Octy. Don't know about the previous versions, but I suspect the latest Octy vRS would give the latest CTR a good run for its money...?

Fab vRS · 08-05-2008, 15:27

Sorry - strut brace!

You had zero headroom? How tall are you? I'm 6' 2" and I had no problem at all, plus the Recaros are super comfy.

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fab vRS

Sorry - strut brace!

You had zero headroom? How tall are you? I'm 6' 2" and I had no problem at all, plus the Recaros are super comfy.

Only 6', but I was in the passenger seat - maybe not adjustable? My head wasn't hitting the roof lining or anything, but it felt close enough that it bothered me...

jabba_luke · 08-05-2008, 16:03

Im pritty sure jasons should cofidently beat a Civic type R, i know mine used to!!! and with a track day at croft to back it up

*bring on the "a fabia could never beat a type R even if it had 1000bhp" comments

**TaviaRS** · 08-05-2008, 16:05

I don't dispute that it could beat one, but you would need to seriously mod the Fabia to do so. And seeing as there was only about a 2K price difference between the 2 cars when new.....

Basil · 08-05-2008, 16:11

did it a few weeks ago.
Did not post about it as there are several trolls about that like to stir up the skoda enthusiasts on here ad nauseum.

Hope a mod closes this thread soon- as it's only gonna end up in upset.

my 2p

Bas

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hurricaine Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: east middlands Posts: 99 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any Honda type R beating vrs's? Well was driving home last night in my fab vrs (custom code phase 1, jabba RARB, 312mm) and had a play off the lights and beyond (up to the legal speed limit) with a Honda type R. It left me for dead to say the least very quick car, I wouldn't have expected my car to be quicker but was surprised just how much faster the type r was. Anyone on here got a fabia vrs that has been modded to a degree that it can take on a civic typeR. I'm curious to know the level required to make a fabia a type R killer - if it is possible at all that is!

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