ESP on ESP off

okeh · 02-09-2006, 00:35

Just wondering how many fabia drivers turn off the esp as soon as they start the engine
Compared to
briskodians who prefer to have it active whilst they drive
And
What gains the non esp drivers experience due to turning it off

jifster · 02-09-2006, 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by okeh

Just wondering how many fabia drivers turn off the esp as soon as they start the engine
Compared to
briskodians who prefer to have it active whilst they drive
And
What gains the non esp drivers experience due to turning it off

I've had my car 2 years now and never switched it off and now i'm scared to incase I find out I can't actually drive.

Basil · 02-09-2006, 10:24

There was a poll on this a while ago.

There is a way to even turn it off with VAG COM apparently.

I'm sure that a relay connected to the ignition live and the switch circuit could do the same thing

ScoobyChris · 02-09-2006, 11:11

Why pay £500 for an option and then turn it off?

Chris

Tom_vRS · 02-09-2006, 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

Why pay £500 for an option and then turn it off?

Chris

Madness. ESP won't hinder you in anyway unless you want to drive like a hooligan or on a track... so for normal driving, leave it on.

Fabia 12v · 02-09-2006, 11:27

It'll save you life switched on

r32 · 02-09-2006, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

Madness. ESP won't hinder you in anyway unless you want to drive like a hooligan or on a track... so for normal driving, leave it on.

Not quite true in my experience. ESP hates bumpy roads, particularly bumpy corners. I find on the R it cuts in when it shouldnt purely cos of the bumps. I also find that if you boot it out of a junction turning at the same time it also sometimes cuts power just when you don't want it to.. especially with 4wd.

I've therefore got into the habit of turning ESP off when I know I need to make a quick exit from a junction and on certain bumpy corners when I know it is going to kick in annoyingly!

I have played with the car and felt ESP working though. The way it can brake an individual wheel so straighten up understeer or a possible tail slide is very clever, so the majority of the time I leave it on.

Ants · 02-09-2006, 11:51

If your driving properly, it should never interfere, same with ABS. Even if you driving hard, feeding power on and braking smoothly shouldn't cause driver aids to be needed.
Fair enough, there will be variations in road surfaces that will make it much harder to judge grip levels, but day to day, why would you want turn it off!

Basil · 02-09-2006, 14:23

Sorry if I made a mistake - of course ESP is different from ASR - I find that the throttle response is "perkier" (hmm) with ASR off. Don't have ESP (although I sometimes get a strong hunch....)
I keep the ASR on usually except when feeling particularly naughty...

TeflonTom · 02-09-2006, 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basil

- I find that the throttle response is "perkier" (hmm) with ASR off. Don't have ESP

my 2.0 fabia definately accelerates quicker without the asr switched on.

Thirdtimeluck · 02-09-2006, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

my 2.0 fabia definately accelerates quicker without the asr switched on.

How do you work that one out?
Surly it will be just the same but it will control any wheelspin you might encounter?

WW_VRS · 02-09-2006, 15:16

Nope, as the ASR is IMHO not particularly great - the problem is mainly that it kicks in very hard but just too late, cutting power a fair bit. The wheel regains grip, power goes back up after that, but you've already lost momentum.

ESP was/is a lot less annoying generally. It does still kick in if you go a little crazy, and I must admit ESP does get turned off sometimes if I am in a 'bad' mood

That said I've got an LSD to help with the grip too, and during cornering + planting situations that does make a very significant (positive) difference

Neily03 · 02-09-2006, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabia 12v

It'll save you life switched on

I think you mean, 'It may save your life'

SteVRs · 02-09-2006, 16:40

LOL @ this thread (asr/esp) everytime it pops up

If you're spinning the wheels and losing traction you are not in control of the vehicle whether you think you are or not. The electronics do not 'cut in' annoyingly at all unless you're driving beyond available grip, which you should only do on a track or private ground. If you lose traction you HAVE ALREADY lost control, regardless of whether you think you can handle it or not.

That said I think we all have a play occasionally but it is naughty

Edit: Yes I am a grumpy fart today.

Mr Grumpy · 02-09-2006, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteVRs

Yes I am a grumpy fart today.

OY! that's my prerogative, you have to ask permission.

After the day I've had, I claim todays Grumpy title.
As regards asr, it's sometimes better left on, and it's sometimes better switched off, mostly on, but sometimes off, there.

TeflonTom · 02-09-2006, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thirdtimeluck

How do you work that one out?
Surly it will be just the same but it will control any wheelspin you might encounter?

yeah that's what it's supposed to do but i find it effects the performance tho, you dont really need asr in a car with 115bhp!!!! marketing gimick i thinks!!

Thirdtimeluck · 02-09-2006, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

yeah that's what it's supposed to do but i find it effects the performance tho, you dont really need asr in a car with 115bhp!!!! marketing gimick i thinks!!

I'll be honest its quite handy when pulling away on a wet roundabout when listening to music as you can't hear any wheel spin...

I do indeed take it off as soon as i turn the key lol.#

edit. So why do you "drive with it on"

TeflonTom · 03-09-2006, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thirdtimeluck

edit. So why do you "drive with it on"

i dont!

ScoobyChris · 03-09-2006, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thirdtimeluck

I'll be honest its quite handy when pulling away on a wet roundabout when listening to music as you can't hear any wheel spin...

But surely that's just highlighting that you can't drive a car in the wet

Chris

Neily03 · 03-09-2006, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thirdtimeluck

I'll be honest its quite handy when pulling away on a wet roundabout when listening to music as you can't hear any wheel spin...

and you can't feel it either???

02-09-2006, 00:35	#1
okeh Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cheshire Posts: 712 Thanks: 16 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts	ESP on ESP off Just wondering how many fabia drivers turn off the esp as soon as they start the engine Compared to briskodians who prefer to have it active whilst they drive And What gains the non esp drivers experience due to turning it off

02-09-2006, 10:24	#3
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,150 Thanks: 183 Thanked 183 Times in 144 Posts	Re: ESP on ESP off There was a poll on this a while ago. There is a way to even turn it off with VAG COM apparently. I'm sure that a relay connected to the ignition live and the switch circuit could do the same thing __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

02-09-2006, 11:11	#4
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02-09-2006, 11:27	#6
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02-09-2006, 11:51	#8
Ants Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cruising the M65 Posts: 1,015 Thanks: 12 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Re: ESP on ESP off If your driving properly, it should never interfere, same with ABS. Even if you driving hard, feeding power on and braking smoothly shouldn't cause driver aids to be needed. Fair enough, there will be variations in road surfaces that will make it much harder to judge grip levels, but day to day, why would you want turn it off! __________________ Ants

02-09-2006, 14:23	#9
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,150 Thanks: 183 Thanked 183 Times in 144 Posts	Re: ESP on ESP off Sorry if I made a mistake - of course ESP is different from ASR - I find that the throttle response is "perkier" (hmm) with ASR off. Don't have ESP (although I sometimes get a strong hunch....) I keep the ASR on usually except when feeling particularly naughty... __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

02-09-2006, 15:16	#12
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,736 Thanks: 44 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	Re: ESP on ESP off Nope, as the ASR is IMHO not particularly great - the problem is mainly that it kicks in very hard but just too late, cutting power a fair bit. The wheel regains grip, power goes back up after that, but you've already lost momentum. ESP was/is a lot less annoying generally. It does still kick in if you go a little crazy, and I must admit ESP does get turned off sometimes if I am in a 'bad' mood That said I've got an LSD to help with the grip too, and during cornering + planting situations that does make a very significant (positive) difference __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

02-09-2006, 16:40	#14
SteVRs Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 3,063 Thanks: 4 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	Re: ESP on ESP off LOL @ this thread (asr/esp) everytime it pops up If you're spinning the wheels and losing traction you are not in control of the vehicle whether you think you are or not. The electronics do not 'cut in' annoyingly at all unless you're driving beyond available grip, which you should only do on a track or private ground. If you lose traction you HAVE ALREADY lost control, regardless of whether you think you can handle it or not. That said I think we all have a play occasionally but it is naughty Edit: Yes I am a grumpy fart today. __________________ Bike with engine coming soon...

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