Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R

Vista · 12-02-2008, 18:42

Hey there,

This is my first post here so, hello!

I've been looking to get my hands on an unmodified 2004/2005 Fabia VRS with the impression that it's superior in performance to the mk4 gti (the 150 and the 180 bhp versions). Would I be right? How would it compare to the ep3 Civic Type R? Does it really require remapping to compete?

One other thing... I know the official 0-60 for the Furby is 9.5 but I've heard that the actual time is somewhere in the region of 7.5/8.2. Whats the story there?

Cheers,
V

jasc1988 · 12-02-2008, 18:45

Can of worms

Babs · 12-02-2008, 18:45

I'd say it quicker than the base GTI, but the Anniversary (180) would be a touch quicker.

pixi · 12-02-2008, 18:47

Can't wait to see how this one develops.

bengie · 12-02-2008, 18:47

it won't be quicker than any of them as standard, remapped it will be quicker than the 150 1.8t but maybe not the 180 and wouldn't stand a chance against the civic.

jasc1988 · 12-02-2008, 18:48

Well a remapped one to 180 bhp does 7 / low 7's to 60 mph. So id say a normal one would do mid 8's

I also timed my 0 -100 and its 18s and the standard is 23s

b1ackb1rd · 12-02-2008, 18:48

This is the forum where diesel rules ... 0-60mph times mean nothing in REAL life, try a cross country run of about 20 miles in these cars and I would put money on you preferring the vRS over the other 2.
I have a Mk4 GTTDI 130 remapped to 180bhp, in my opinion THAT would be the motor to go for not the mk4 GTI.
Get a vRS remapped to 180bhp and it will FLY as it's so much lighter than the Golf ... and of course the Golf handles like a pig on stilts.

bengie · 12-02-2008, 18:49

oh and someone on here has a 260bhp fabia vRS and he struggles to get under 7s 0-60 i think

jasc1988 · 12-02-2008, 18:53

If you want a proper review have a look at Fabia-vrs.com - Home Page and go to the reviews section, has all the stats and figures there

skudmissile · 12-02-2008, 18:55

Worms anyone

bengie · 12-02-2008, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1ackb1rd

This is the forum where diesel rules ... 0-60mph times mean nothing in REAL life, try a cross country run of about 20 miles in these cars and I would put money on you preferring the vRS over the other 2.
I have a Mk4 GTTDI 130 remapped to 180bhp, in my opinion THAT would be the motor to go for not the mk4 GTI.
Get a vRS remapped to 180bhp and it will FLY as it's so much lighter than the Golf ... and of course the Golf handles like a pig on stilts.

i suggest you take a look on here Parker's for some more accurate data

and no 0-60 doesn't mean everything but it does mean quite a lot, a fabia isn't as quick on the move as it feels.

a fabia vRS weighs 1315Kg and the PD150 golf weighs 1388Kg

73Kg is less than one adult passenger

jasc1988 · 12-02-2008, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

i suggest you take a look on here Parker's for some more accurate data

and no 0-60 doesn't mean everything but it does mean quite a lot, a fabia isn't as quick on the move as it feels.

a fabia vRS weighs 1315Kg and the PD150 golf weighs 1388Kg

73Kg is less than one adult passenger

Wrong

A VRS weighs around 1115kg if i recall, that was weighed on a weigh bridge by another member if anyone would like to confirm this. As Skoda calculated it with a couple of passengers

Babs · 12-02-2008, 18:59

Well... isn't that what most car manufacturers do?

2 or 3 passengers, with a full tank and some luggage?

VRSPhil · 12-02-2008, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vista

I've been looking to get my hands on an unmodified 2004/2005 Fabia VRS with the impression that it's superior in performance to the mk4 gti (the 150 and the 180 bhp versions). Would I be right?

No.

HTH

ScoobyChris · 12-02-2008, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasc1988

As Skoda calculated it with a couple of passengers

Are they allowed to quote the kerb weight with passengers? Surely the kerb weight is the kerb weight is the kerb weight?

It's like me measuring the performance with only 3 wheels on the car!

Chris

jasc1988 · 12-02-2008, 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

Are they allowed to quote the kerb weight with passengers? Surely the kerb weight is the kerb weight is the kerb weight?

It's like me measuring the performance with only 3 wheels on the car!

Chris

Peugeot do it too

Usually fully laden

, helps reduce insurance groups etc (due to slower 0-60mph)

VRSPhil · 12-02-2008, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasc1988

Peugeot do it too

Usually fully laden

, helps reduce insurance groups etc (due to slower 0-60mph)

They test with the weight yes, but the listed kerb weight MUST be the car on it's own or it could cause all sorts of problems for people who are trying to calculate what they can safely tow.

jasc1988 · 12-02-2008, 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRSPhil

They test with the weight yes, but the listed kerb weight MUST be the car on it's own or it could cause all sorts of problems for people who are trying to calculate what they can safely tow.

Nope

I read on here a few people weighed there VRS's on a weighbridge at just over 1100kg's

I'll try and find the thread

jasc1988 · 12-02-2008, 19:11

To quote Oilburninut

mine was 1180kg on a wieghbridge with no driver and nearly no fuel,that was this evening

Vista · 12-02-2008, 19:11

Cheers for replying so quick! I've driven the Golf and wasn't impressed tbh. It was wallowy and lackluster. Plus, I like the sleeper-esque feel to the Fabia.

I've earmarked 7500 to get one (2005 hopefully) and I doubt I'd get a nicer Golf for that money.

Thanks for the help... sorry about the worms!

Beretta · 12-02-2008, 19:16

A thread that mentions a Civic type R without a comment from Snoopie.
Record perhaps???........................LOL

VRSPhil · 12-02-2008, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasc1988

To quote Oilburninut

mine was 1180kg on a wieghbridge with no driver and nearly no fuel,that was this evening

I don't know what Skoda state as the weight (wet or dry) for the Fabia, so that means nothing to me. I am simply pointing out that the stated weight is without passengers.

It's also worth remembering that weighbridges are designed to weigh lorrys/heavy machinery and are can easily over/under read by quite a lot.

bengie · 12-02-2008, 19:23

but if you did the same with the golf or any other car in fact you would get the same thing.

i think the kerb wieght of a car is with full fluids and as gary said that was with an empty tank which would be worth at least 50-60Kg

jasc1988 · 12-02-2008, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beretta

A thread that mentions a Civic type R without a comment from Snoopie.
Record perhaps???........................LOL

I'd say

andypandypoos · 12-02-2008, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasc1988

Well a remapped one to 180 bhp does 7 / low 7's to 60 mph. So id say a normal one would do mid 8's

I also timed my 0 -100 and its 18s and the standard is 23s

do they remap to 180bhp now

12-02-2008, 18:42	#1
Vista Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 145 Members Car: Fabia Vrs Thanks: 31 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R Hey there, This is my first post here so, hello! I've been looking to get my hands on an unmodified 2004/2005 Fabia VRS with the impression that it's superior in performance to the mk4 gti (the 150 and the 180 bhp versions). Would I be right? How would it compare to the ep3 Civic Type R? Does it really require remapping to compete? One other thing... I know the official 0-60 for the Furby is 9.5 but I've heard that the actual time is somewhere in the region of 7.5/8.2. Whats the story there? Cheers, V

12-02-2008, 18:45	#2
jasc1988 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,044 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 106 Thanked 136 Times in 131 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R Can of worms __________________ Star Remap, BMC, Helix, 312's, Magnex, Vibratechniks mount, Allard Power Pipe, VMaxx Coilies, CCV mod, Pikey Short Shifter, Stainless Boost pipes, Pikey arch mod, HID's, 17's, Heated Seats, Cruise + many more

12-02-2008, 18:45	#3
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Preston Posts: 4,229 Members Car: Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 16v Comfort Thanks: 221 Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R I'd say it quicker than the base GTI, but the Anniversary (180) would be a touch quicker. __________________ - Andrew In need of a new car, post your suggestions here!

12-02-2008, 18:47	#4
pixi Naughty Pix! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Writing in these boxes is soooo last year! Posts: 6,368 Members Car: 06 Fabia vrs Thanks: 128 Thanked 94 Times in 52 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R Can't wait to see how this one develops. __________________

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bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,426 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 19 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R it won't be quicker than any of them as standard, remapped it will be quicker than the 150 1.8t but maybe not the 180 and wouldn't stand a chance against the civic. __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

12-02-2008, 18:48	#6
jasc1988 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,044 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 106 Thanked 136 Times in 131 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R Well a remapped one to 180 bhp does 7 / low 7's to 60 mph. So id say a normal one would do mid 8's I also timed my 0 -100 and its 18s and the standard is 23s __________________ Star Remap, BMC, Helix, 312's, Magnex, Vibratechniks mount, Allard Power Pipe, VMaxx Coilies, CCV mod, Pikey Short Shifter, Stainless Boost pipes, Pikey arch mod, HID's, 17's, Heated Seats, Cruise + many more

12-02-2008, 18:48	#7
b1ackb1rd Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 302 Members Car: Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R This is the forum where diesel rules ... 0-60mph times mean nothing in REAL life, try a cross country run of about 20 miles in these cars and I would put money on you preferring the vRS over the other 2. I have a Mk4 GTTDI 130 remapped to 180bhp, in my opinion THAT would be the motor to go for not the mk4 GTI. Get a vRS remapped to 180bhp and it will FLY as it's so much lighter than the Golf ... and of course the Golf handles like a pig on stilts.

12-02-2008, 18:49	#8
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,426 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 19 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R oh and someone on here has a 260bhp fabia vRS and he struggles to get under 7s 0-60 i think __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

12-02-2008, 18:53	#9
jasc1988 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,044 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 106 Thanked 136 Times in 131 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R If you want a proper review have a look at Fabia-vrs.com - Home Page and go to the reviews section, has all the stats and figures there __________________ Star Remap, BMC, Helix, 312's, Magnex, Vibratechniks mount, Allard Power Pipe, VMaxx Coilies, CCV mod, Pikey Short Shifter, Stainless Boost pipes, Pikey arch mod, HID's, 17's, Heated Seats, Cruise + many more

12-02-2008, 18:55	#10
skudmissile Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,144 Members Car: Thanks: 419 Thanked 181 Times in 161 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R Worms anyone __________________ Run out of CASH

12-02-2008, 18:59	#13
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Preston Posts: 4,229 Members Car: Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 16v Comfort Thanks: 221 Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R Well... isn't that what most car manufacturers do? 2 or 3 passengers, with a full tank and some luggage? __________________ - Andrew In need of a new car, post your suggestions here!

12-02-2008, 19:11	#19
jasc1988 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,044 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 106 Thanked 136 Times in 131 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R To quote Oilburninut mine was 1180kg on a wieghbridge with no driver and nearly no fuel,that was this evening __________________ Star Remap, BMC, Helix, 312's, Magnex, Vibratechniks mount, Allard Power Pipe, VMaxx Coilies, CCV mod, Pikey Short Shifter, Stainless Boost pipes, Pikey arch mod, HID's, 17's, Heated Seats, Cruise + many more

12-02-2008, 19:16	#21
Beretta SMOGUS MAXIMUS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 2,661 Members Car: Was a modded Octy vRS that now lives with TrevorB33. Current car is Toyota Auris SR180 Images: 3 Thanks: 50 Thanked 77 Times in 74 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R A thread that mentions a Civic type R without a comment from Snoopie. Record perhaps???........................LOL __________________ Skoda performance was "IMPOSSIBLE", now its Japanese and 177 bhp and 295 lb ft torque of SMOG. Gerry "HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE"

12-02-2008, 19:23	#23
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,426 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 19 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts	Re: Fabia VRS vs Golf GTI Mk.4 vs Civic Type R but if you did the same with the golf or any other car in fact you would get the same thing. i think the kerb wieght of a car is with full fluids and as gary said that was with an empty tank which would be worth at least 50-60Kg __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3