Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S

chowy · 18-02-2006, 12:13

Please note before I get flamed that this was not a race!

I was following a biskly driven Cooper S on the dual carriage way and as an experiment I just wondered how my Jabba remapped Furby would compare.

We both slowed for traffic ahead and when it was clear we both nailed it from approx. 50-100 (km/h

) and the gap stayed neck and neck. We did this twice and results were the same. I assume he was a little suprised that I kept up but to be honest, I thought my car would have been marginally faster but now I know.

I am making the assumption it was a standard Cooper S as it had the coke can exhausts and wasn't a Works model. I guess it could also have had a remap though??

sharkrider · 18-02-2006, 12:55

sweet, nice to get a real life comparison of how your car performs.... another reason I find myself hankering after a re-map

ChrisRs · 18-02-2006, 12:57

I expect he was hoping there would be a few bends ahead. Then he would leave you trailing well behind!!

Thomas · 18-02-2006, 15:17

My mate has a john cooper works, 210 bhp, quater mile in 14.5 secs. It is quite fast but no top end grunt.

faboka vrs · 18-02-2006, 19:30

I found my cars performance is the same as a cooper s too in a similar test.

Wardy · 18-02-2006, 19:47

Would seem to figure, as a std Cooper-S has 170bhp and 160-ish lb/ft. It's a little lighter though, maybe by about 150kg ?

So against a re-mapped vRS it should be quite close, in a straight line. In 50-70 type situations, I'd imagine the Fabia would gain, or overtake, given the extra torque?

Steve

Tom_vRS · 18-02-2006, 21:45

I found performance to be similar also, although I feel I did pull away a bit 100+. I posted a thread some time ago I believe...

daz51 · 18-02-2006, 22:16

Trick to think of though is how much is a brand new Cooper s ????? compared to a brand new Vrs ??????? I would feel sick if i was that Cooper s driver

MikeW · 19-02-2006, 01:17

I have JUST about managed to out accelerate Briskly driven Cooper S in my standard furby VRS. It was a long road mind, straight uphill dual carriageway. I will admit he was a lot quicker than me around a roundabout but i just had him on the straight bits. And only just!
My Furby has never been quite the same ever since tho!

octav.ed · 19-02-2006, 06:59

was drivin briskly with 1 last year kept with him in an octy 170bph

[twice the weight]

Mil · 19-02-2006, 07:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by octav.ed

was drivin briskly with 1 last year kept with him in an octy 170bph

[twice the weight]

If your car was twice the weight of a Cooper S it wouldn't move with 170bhp, and if the Cooper S was half the weight of your car, a proper mod for it would be wings.

redbaron · 19-02-2006, 08:08

well said mil.

at std mk1 octy is similar weight to a cooper s. bmw doesnt build em light.

its not surprising a remapped fab will keep up with one.. Fabia is better value but most who own a Cooper S have other priorities. "Feel" is a personal pref but Cooper S has buckets full more as std. Yes you can mod the Fabia but then you close the price gap.

I remember driving a std'ish works in the past and then questioning why i had spent xxxK making an Octy that handled like a mini.....

Wardy · 19-02-2006, 15:02

Just checked and a Cooper-S with std equipment is 1150kg. How much does a std Octy vRS weigh? Thought it would be more than that. The Fabia vRS is 1310kg or thereabouts isn't it?

Steve

Mil · 20-02-2006, 08:18

1,315 to be precise. And the Octi vRS MK1 is lighter than that by 10 kilos

WW_VRS · 20-02-2006, 08:51

An Octy Mk1 handling like a MINI would be ace - loads of room for passengers + luggage (in the nicest possible way) and it must be a real joy going round bends etc in that case

The Furby needs a LOT of tweaking before it will come anywhere near a MINI during bends etc, even with the rear ARB + Eibach springs/dampers I reckon I'd have a VERY hard time staying near one. Mine's still standard (apart from FMIC at the moment, hybrid turbo to go on soon

) so the cooper S would drive away from me anyway

I have no problem with MINIs being faster/better/whatever, they're fun cars, targeted at a different market, I personally wouldnt buy one but then most who do buy one probably wouldnt buy any skuds either.

Don't forget the Octy is well nippy at higher speeds, I'd imagine it pulling away when the NSL is left behind

devonutopia · 20-02-2006, 09:01

I had neck & neck acceleration with an Almera GTI at the Pod, for about 50 yards.

Not had the pleasure of a test with a Cooper S - I look forward to it though.

HellFire · 20-02-2006, 09:08

A standard Cooper S is about 1% slower than a remapped furby. A slightly unfair comparison though because if the Cooper S had also been tuned i.e. Works version then it would simply pull away in the same way a standard Cooper S would leave a standard Furby.

ScoobyChris · 20-02-2006, 09:28

My Mondeo kept up and edged away from a briskly driven Cooper S and weighs a few 100kg more than a Fabia!

He caught up and overtook me at the roundabout though as he didn't bother stopping for traffic!

Chris

HellFire · 20-02-2006, 09:45

Chris, what mods have you got on your Mondeo?

My ex one had 170 bhp with dragon tuning box and a k&n panel filter.

ScoobyChris · 20-02-2006, 09:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellFire

Chris, what mods have you got on your Mondeo?

My ex one had 170 bhp with dragon tuning box and a k&n panel filter.

I'll PM you

Chris

18-02-2006, 12:13	#1
chowy Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north east uk Posts: 750 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S Please note before I get flamed that this was not a race! I was following a biskly driven Cooper S on the dual carriage way and as an experiment I just wondered how my Jabba remapped Furby would compare. We both slowed for traffic ahead and when it was clear we both nailed it from approx. 50-100 (km/h ) and the gap stayed neck and neck. We did this twice and results were the same. I assume he was a little suprised that I kept up but to be honest, I thought my car would have been marginally faster but now I know. I am making the assumption it was a standard Cooper S as it had the coke can exhausts and wasn't a Works model. I guess it could also have had a remap though?? __________________ Present: BMW 130i M Sport 2007 \| Titanium Silver (No need to use indicators no more ) Sadly gone: Skoda Fabia vRS 2005 \| Black Magic (for pleasure) Present: Skoda Octavia Ambiente 1.9 Tdi 2005 \| Diamond Silver (for work)

18-02-2006, 12:55	#2
sharkrider rider of sharks Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cumbria Posts: 3,773 Thanks: 205 Thanked 95 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S sweet, nice to get a real life comparison of how your car performs.... another reason I find myself hankering after a re-map __________________ Fiat Grande Punto Sporting (158 bhp 314 lbs/ft) in Red.... Furby vRS , black magic,passenger airbag de-activation switch, (now gone, but not forgotten!)

18-02-2006, 12:57	#3
ChrisRs Skonda Fabic Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,979 Thanks: 17 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S I expect he was hoping there would be a few bends ahead. Then he would leave you trailing well behind!!

18-02-2006, 15:17	#4
Thomas Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Westlothian Scotland Posts: 98 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S My mate has a john cooper works, 210 bhp, quater mile in 14.5 secs. It is quite fast but no top end grunt.

18-02-2006, 19:30	#5
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 11 Thanked 35 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S I found my cars performance is the same as a cooper s too in a similar test. __________________ John Take away the poor damping, inadequate bushes, heavy diesel lump and spongy brakes its not a bad warm hatch

18-02-2006, 19:47	#6
Wardy 200/370 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Around Manchester & Cheshire Posts: 11,019 Thanks: 402 Thanked 299 Times in 287 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S Would seem to figure, as a std Cooper-S has 170bhp and 160-ish lb/ft. It's a little lighter though, maybe by about 150kg ? So against a re-mapped vRS it should be quite close, in a straight line. In 50-70 type situations, I'd imagine the Fabia would gain, or overtake, given the extra torque? Steve __________________ Wardy's Fabia vRS xenons : sunroof : cruise : OEM+ "Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen "If in doubt, flat out." - Colin McRae

18-02-2006, 21:45	#7
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,055 Thanks: 623 Thanked 376 Times in 257 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S I found performance to be similar also, although I feel I did pull away a bit 100+. I posted a thread some time ago I believe... __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green. Don't miss the new DR COLORCHIPS GROUP BUY!

18-02-2006, 22:16	#8
daz51 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 140 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S Trick to think of though is how much is a brand new Cooper s ????? compared to a brand new Vrs ??????? I would feel sick if i was that Cooper s driver

19-02-2006, 01:17	#9
MikeW Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,505 Thanks: 9 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S I have JUST about managed to out accelerate Briskly driven Cooper S in my standard furby VRS. It was a long road mind, straight uphill dual carriageway. I will admit he was a lot quicker than me around a roundabout but i just had him on the straight bits. And only just! My Furby has never been quite the same ever since tho!

19-02-2006, 06:59	#10
octav.ed Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: belfast Posts: 3,819 Thanks: 99 Thanked 59 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S was drivin briskly with 1 last year kept with him in an octy 170bph [twice the weight] __________________ when i die, bury me upside down so the world can kiss my a.s.s "I spent all my money on cars, booze and women - the rest I just wasted" - George Best. NEXT IRISH MEET.. ??? http://briskoda.net/forums/irish-sko...s-show/103245/

19-02-2006, 08:08	#12
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,487 Thanks: 13 Thanked 65 Times in 57 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S well said mil. at std mk1 octy is similar weight to a cooper s. bmw doesnt build em light. its not surprising a remapped fab will keep up with one.. Fabia is better value but most who own a Cooper S have other priorities. "Feel" is a personal pref but Cooper S has buckets full more as std. Yes you can mod the Fabia but then you close the price gap. I remember driving a std'ish works in the past and then questioning why i had spent xxxK making an Octy that handled like a mini..... __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

19-02-2006, 15:02	#13
Wardy 200/370 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Around Manchester & Cheshire Posts: 11,019 Thanks: 402 Thanked 299 Times in 287 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S Just checked and a Cooper-S with std equipment is 1150kg. How much does a std Octy vRS weigh? Thought it would be more than that. The Fabia vRS is 1310kg or thereabouts isn't it? Steve __________________ Wardy's Fabia vRS xenons : sunroof : cruise : OEM+ "Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen "If in doubt, flat out." - Colin McRae

20-02-2006, 08:18	#14
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,801 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S 1,315 to be precise. And the Octi vRS MK1 is lighter than that by 10 kilos __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government

20-02-2006, 08:51	#15
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,738 Thanks: 44 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S An Octy Mk1 handling like a MINI would be ace - loads of room for passengers + luggage (in the nicest possible way) and it must be a real joy going round bends etc in that case The Furby needs a LOT of tweaking before it will come anywhere near a MINI during bends etc, even with the rear ARB + Eibach springs/dampers I reckon I'd have a VERY hard time staying near one. Mine's still standard (apart from FMIC at the moment, hybrid turbo to go on soon ) so the cooper S would drive away from me anyway I have no problem with MINIs being faster/better/whatever, they're fun cars, targeted at a different market, I personally wouldnt buy one but then most who do buy one probably wouldnt buy any skuds either. Don't forget the Octy is well nippy at higher speeds, I'd imagine it pulling away when the NSL is left behind __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

20-02-2006, 09:01	#16
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,506 Thanks: 60 Thanked 308 Times in 253 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S I had neck & neck acceleration with an Almera GTI at the Pod, for about 50 yards. Not had the pleasure of a test with a Cooper S - I look forward to it though. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

20-02-2006, 09:08	#17
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S A standard Cooper S is about 1% slower than a remapped furby. A slightly unfair comparison though because if the Cooper S had also been tuned i.e. Works version then it would simply pull away in the same way a standard Cooper S would leave a standard Furby. __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

20-02-2006, 09:28	#18
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,126 Thanks: 15 Thanked 327 Times in 285 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S My Mondeo kept up and edged away from a briskly driven Cooper S and weighs a few 100kg more than a Fabia! He caught up and overtook me at the roundabout though as he didn't bother stopping for traffic! Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

20-02-2006, 09:45	#19
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Neck and neck acceleration with Cooper S Chris, what mods have you got on your Mondeo? My ex one had 170 bhp with dragon tuning box and a k&n panel filter. __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

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