Which VRS to BUy

[xtramc]

Hey guys

i am new here just joined as i will be buying a VRS in the coming months and just want to know about how much i should pay for one etc.

My main issue at the moment is if i should buy the limited edtion blue one, is it worth it or should i just get a normal vrs. money is not really an issue

any help offered i will be thankful

[sharkrider]

hello and welcome to briskoda...

If money's not an issue, I'd reccoment the bugatti... lol....

the SE may hold its value longer, and has the nice leather seats... looks better in the flesh than the pics do it justice... some pople complain about the famous stutter, so to get around that you go for an 05 or earlier.......

[xtramc]

Originally Posted by sharkrider

hello and welcome to briskoda...

If money's not an issue, I'd reccoment the bugatti... lol....

the SE may hold its value longer, and has the nice leather seats... looks better in the flesh than the pics do it justice... some pople complain about the famous stutter, so to get around that you go for an 05 or earlier.......

i may sound thick but what the famous stutter LOL

[sharkrider]

check the sticky at the top if you've got a few days you could read through it! lol...

but when they made the engine euro IV compliant (06 I think) the cut the emmisions, but messed up the low speed running of the car, some people find it completely unacceptable, and some people dont notice it at all!

[rainbow-walker]

I discounted the SE on the basis that you cant change the spec. I dont intend on buying a car without ESP again, and as the SE isnt equipped, this wasnt an option.

Cheers.

RBW.

[sharkrider]

Originally Posted by rainbow-walker

I discounted the SE on the basis that you cant change the spec. I dont intend on buying a car without ESP again, and as the SE isnt equipped, this wasnt an option.

Cheers.

RBW.

this was one of the reasons I bought the GP... ESP is standard on the sporting.... can't believe they left it off the SE...

[Decron]

Originally Posted by sharkrider

this was one of the reasons I bought the GP... ESP is standard on the sporting.... can't believe they left it off the SE...

Ditto, i didn't trade in for the same reason

[xtramc]

So are we thinking just buy a normal VRS not the SE. I think i will do that then spend the extra money i have chipping it!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!

[stuno1]

definately, only bonus is leather seats and seat surgeons can do that fo £800 ish. Was disappointed when i saw one. Colour is not that nice and red callipers....What genius came up with that colour combo!!!

[sotonjoe]

FWIW it's worth I didn't think you could buy a new standard vrs anymore. You'll have to find a dealer who has one sitting around or pre registered.

I would, and just have, gone for the se (for my second vrs).

[Ess_Three]

Originally Posted by rainbow-walker

I discounted the SE on the basis that you cant change the spec. I dont intend on buying a car without ESP again, and as the SE isnt equipped, this wasnt an option.

Cheers.

RBW.

Strange how people view things differently...
If the SE had ESP that wasn't completely switchable, I'd not have bought one.

VAG's ESP if far too nannying, in my opinion...it kills all the fun.

[P-A]

I'm not sure why people think that ESP is so important? Yes it can help you get out of trouble, but you need to somehow get into trouble first! I've never had a car with ESP, and don't feel like I'm missing out.

If money isn't an issue, get the SE.

[Philip26]

I said the same about Cruise Control and now I wouldn't have a car without it!

[sharkrider]

Originally Posted by P-A

I'm not sure why people think that ESP is so important? Yes it can help you get out of trouble, but you need to somehow get into trouble first! I've never had a car with ESP, and don't feel like I'm missing out.

If money isn't an issue, get the SE.

the insurance companies (and they have the best data) state that there would be a 50% fall in fatal accidents if all cars were fitted with ESP... (my insirance has fallen over £100 since I moved from the vRS to a car with 'standard fitted' ESP, and both cars are similar costs 130bhp 1.9 TD's) ) you don't have to ness 'get' yourself into trouble, if you hit a diesel spill at speed in the dark (or, mud in the rain in the dark, or a puddle that has a big pothole under it, or go out in the cold weather, ice snow.. ect ect etc) you will slide, this resulting slide could put you in a posision to die. (tree, oncomming lorry ect ect) the slide would be very limited by the ESP, just go on youtube and see some of the demonstrations, the fifth gear one with tiff driving the jag on the snow is a good example...

up here in the lakes, along the A66 (just drive between Penrith and Workington) and count the bunches of flowers on the side of the road, most were all young drivers who lost control of their cars and died... if they had ESP, chances are every one of them would be here today......

[TDi Vrs]

cruise is a must tho not a very expensive option aswell

[marcusfordus]

Originally Posted by xtramc

Hey guys

i am new here just joined as i will be buying a VRS in the coming months and just want to know about how much i should pay for one etc.

My main issue at the moment is if i should buy the limited edtion blue one, is it worth it or should i just get a normal vrs. money is not really an issue

any help offered i will be thankful

What do you have to spend on one, and what colour/options do you want.

My old one is available at the dealers, red, 11k miles, cruise and sunroof fitted, no marks inside and out, wheels were perfect when I traded it. Just the one owner, ME, on a 05, stutterless

[Ess_Three]

Originally Posted by sharkrider

the insurance companies (and they have the best data) state that there would be a 50% fall in fatal accidents if all cars were fitted with ESP... (my insirance has fallen over £100 since I moved from the vRS to a car with 'standard fitted' ESP, and both cars are similar costs 130bhp 1.9 TD's) ) you don't have to ness 'get' yourself into trouble, if you hit a diesel spill at speed in the dark (or, mud in the rain in the dark, or a puddle that has a big pothole under it, or go out in the cold weather, ice snow.. ect ect etc) you will slide, this resulting slide could put you in a posision to die. (tree, oncomming lorry ect ect)

You can put yourself in the same danger if you drive like a bufoon, whether the car has ESP or not.
ESP is an additional chance...nothing more. And it only works on certain situations....ESP cannot overcome the laws of physics!

...and in some cases fools take more chances in a car with ESP because they think it's this big protecting shield that stops them getting hurt. It's not.

the slide would be very limited by the ESP, just go on youtube and see some of the demonstrations, the fifth gear one with tiff driving the jag on the snow is a good example...

I dissagree...
ESP is fine where the wheels have grip. Braking opposite wheels to square you up is all well and good when you have grip at all 4 wheels...in the snow, ice, on mud etc my experience is that ESP does nothing...and in many ways adds to the problem by de-stabilising the car in a situation when the aware driver wants to control his car using more traditional means.

This, I've found very true on modern cars with the fashion for very big, wide wheels...my S3 was lethal in the snow with ESP. The best option was to switch it off and drive 'correctly' for the conditions. That's my experience anyway.

up here in the lakes, along the A66 (just drive between Penrith and Workington) and count the bunches of flowers on the side of the road, most were all young drivers who lost control of their cars and died... if they had ESP, chances are every one of them would be here today......

You simply can't make that assumption...
Yound drivers tend to drive like idiots. I'm sure I did. Most do.
ESP doesn't stop this.
Nor does it stop you heading for the undergrowth at daft speeds...
Or stop you from hitting cars head on...


Don't get me wrong...it can be a great feature. But it's not perfect, at least in VAG's applications.
Every car I've owned and driven with ESP (with the exception of Porsche's PSM system) is nannying in everyday driving. And that's one of the main problems I have with the system...it's braking wheels and cutting power when I don't want it to...
It cuts in on roundabouts...
It upsets the balance of the car when pressing on along twisty back roads...

If they sorted the software to the point that it was invisible to the point that you mess up (as Porsche's system does...and heaven knows I've needed it!) then I'd be happy to have it and leave it switched on (I never turn it off on the 911) but typical VAG ESP is just too nannying to the point of stopping you actually driving the car properly.

[xtramc]

Originally Posted by marcusfordus

What do you have to spend on one, and what colour/options do you want.

My old one is available at the dealers, red, 11k miles, cruise and sunroof fitted, no marks inside and out, wheels were perfect when I traded it. Just the one owner, ME, on a 05, stutterless

wat dealer is it at i like red or black thats it no other colour. is the VRS as good as reviews say, i am well excited about getting one. I am only 19 so i just want to make sure its fun as hell to drive as well!!!

[ScoobyChris]

Originally Posted by Ess_Three

You simply can't make that assumption...
Yound drivers tend to drive like idiots. I'm sure I did. Most do.
ESP doesn't stop this.
Nor does it stop you heading for the undergrowth at daft speeds...
Or stop you from hitting cars head on...

Agree with this and the biggest problem is that people relying on ESP won't learn what they're doing wrong so when they get in a car without it, the accident will be bigger and more severe

Chris (owner of a t/c free car )

[mmmhumous]

Just joined Briskoda and picked up my shiny new SE this weekend...and having tonnes of fun with it. It's a bit of a change from my last car ... Punto 1.2 - 57BHP 0NM of torque (well almost). Very happy with it, it's effortless to drive, and the low end pulling power is fantastic!!

STUTTER

I didn't notice "the stutter", but took my dad 5 minutes behind the wheel to spot it. He has the same problem with his Jag X-type and Audi TT along with most of the highly strung diesels that he drives at work (police pursuit instructor). Now that I've noticed it, although I would describe as a character flaw rather that "characteristic" I would go as as calling it a problem....although moving up from a feat of Italian "engineering" to the Fabia my standards are probably not as high as other members.

ESP
When looking at the standard VRS earlier in the year, I was looking at getting the ESP (based on reports of the fabias tendency to understeer) but having driven it round 200 miles of country roads and back-lanes this weekend (including, the snake, woodehead and cat & fiddle) I don't think it needs it. ESP is definitely a big help and great safety feature in the snow and heavy rain.....but then again so is taking your foot off the accelerator!

Overall very happy with my purchase.. and glad I chose the Fabia over the equivalent SEAT ibiza.