what can i do to get more power

steviej · 17-06-2007, 22:38

hi i have got a 1.6 mpi what can i do to it to make it quicker an ideas

TeflonTom · 17-06-2007, 23:22

depends on your budget???

WoodieGuthrie · 17-06-2007, 23:58

steviej , be scared, be very scared!

Tom is a sick man..

honestly, he has one on the go at the momnet and its gonna be a belter!

KenONeill · 18-06-2007, 13:19

Well boy, it's like this. Power costs. How fast can you afford to go?

More seriously:-
1) Driver upgrade (IAM or similar)
2) Freeflow air filter.
3) Brake upgrade
4) Damper upgrade
5) Sports exhaust
6) Remap

Items (2) and (5) will give some increase on anything with an EMS, as long as the injectors don't max out.

steviej · 18-06-2007, 15:37

well they is a jap sports exhaust on it with a force air induction kit tsw alloys with a nice set of goodyear track tyers on them

pinkskud · 18-06-2007, 17:52

cam?
de-cat?

steviej · 19-06-2007, 13:51

i was looking at de-cat but dont know wich way to go old exhust an smash cat up an leve shell or cut out an pipe in

KenONeill · 19-06-2007, 14:24

In principle, what you want to do to get maximum flow for a given cross-section is maintain lamilar flow as much as possible. This means:-
1) Avoid big changes of section.
2) Keep the pipe interior smooth.
3) Avoid tight bends.

So that would be a proper decat pipe then.

pinkskud · 19-06-2007, 22:56

at the mow i have the smashed out old cat type, but i only did this cuz i'm inpationt. itwill be replaced with a propper pipe convertion when the de-cat pipe comes out for the MOT.

steviej · 20-06-2007, 16:51

ok i think i will have a go

anewman · 25-06-2007, 23:50

Can you really do re-maps on these cars?

Skoda-Msport · 25-06-2007, 23:54

On the MPi engines yes, supposedly 6bhp increase on both the 136 skoda engine and the AEE VW 1.6 engine.

KenONeill · 26-06-2007, 08:56

Indeed. In the general case you can remap (either in software, or hardware by replacing the EPROM chip or adding an intercept chip) any car which uses electronic controls for determining ignition timing and fuelling, so pretty much anything with a lambda sensor and catalytic convertor.

pinkskud · 26-06-2007, 18:34

i think it would need to be chipped (hardware) rather than re-mapped (software)

TeflonTom · 26-06-2007, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkskud

i think it would need to be chipped (hardware) rather than re-mapped (software)

the eprom on these are soldered onto the main circuit board, but they can be replaced by sombody with a steady hand and a lot of patience

Felicia racer · 12-07-2007, 18:27

I have a felicia estate.
!.6 mpi laurent and klement special edition

i don't really want a sports exhaust because my m8's car have them and they always get pulled over, so i like the "im in a skoda so im not a boy racer" aproach!

So i have decided I was gonna buy a induction kit as its cheaper too.
How much performance would you say it would increase by?
because the top speed is only about 105 mph or 112 down hill.

KenONeill · 13-07-2007, 10:21

You might see 5bhp or so increase; depends on how much cooler and less restrictive the induciton kit runs.

TeflonTom · 13-07-2007, 10:52

i reckon you'd be lucky to see any gain at all compared when compared to a nice new standard filter

KenONeill · 13-07-2007, 11:03

Somewhere in the range Tom and I mention. As I say, it really depends a lot on the standard design (which I don't know).
Also, I was quoting an "open road" figure; the rolling road figure will be lower, because part of the gain from a well-designed free-flow intake is from getting cooler air to the engine, which doesn't happen unless the car's moving.

pinkskud · 14-07-2007, 14:32

the induction kit made quite a differance on my 1.6. a de-cat helps to

17-06-2007, 22:38	#1
steviej Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	what can i do to get more power hi i have got a 1.6 mpi what can i do to it to make it quicker an ideas Last edited by steviej; 19-06-2007 at 13:51.

17-06-2007, 23:22	#2
TeflonTom Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 7,365 Thanks: 26 Thanked 161 Times in 137 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power depends on your budget??? __________________

17-06-2007, 23:58	#3
WoodieGuthrie Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 813 Thanks: 6 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power steviej , be scared, be very scared! Tom is a sick man.. honestly, he has one on the go at the momnet and its gonna be a belter!

18-06-2007, 13:19	#4
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 9,304 Thanks: 43 Thanked 432 Times in 426 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power Well boy, it's like this. Power costs. How fast can you afford to go? More seriously:- 1) Driver upgrade (IAM or similar) 2) Freeflow air filter. 3) Brake upgrade 4) Damper upgrade 5) Sports exhaust 6) Remap Items (2) and (5) will give some increase on anything with an EMS, as long as the injectors don't max out.

18-06-2007, 15:37	#5
steviej Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power well they is a jap sports exhaust on it with a force air induction kit tsw alloys with a nice set of goodyear track tyers on them

18-06-2007, 17:52	#6
pinkskud not a bird!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: pixi said not to fill my box Posts: 2,086 Thanks: 1 Thanked 70 Times in 67 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power cam? de-cat?

19-06-2007, 13:51	#7
steviej Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power i was looking at de-cat but dont know wich way to go old exhust an smash cat up an leve shell or cut out an pipe in

19-06-2007, 14:24	#8
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 9,304 Thanks: 43 Thanked 432 Times in 426 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power In principle, what you want to do to get maximum flow for a given cross-section is maintain lamilar flow as much as possible. This means:- 1) Avoid big changes of section. 2) Keep the pipe interior smooth. 3) Avoid tight bends. So that would be a proper decat pipe then.

19-06-2007, 22:56	#9
pinkskud not a bird!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: pixi said not to fill my box Posts: 2,086 Thanks: 1 Thanked 70 Times in 67 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power at the mow i have the smashed out old cat type, but i only did this cuz i'm inpationt. itwill be replaced with a propper pipe convertion when the de-cat pipe comes out for the MOT.

20-06-2007, 16:51	#10
steviej Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power ok i think i will have a go

25-06-2007, 23:50	#11
anewman Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Leeds Posts: 2,285 Thanks: 905 Thanked 195 Times in 181 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power Can you really do re-maps on these cars?

25-06-2007, 23:54	#12
Skoda-Msport Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Shrewsbury, Shropshire Posts: 264 Thanks: 19 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power On the MPi engines yes, supposedly 6bhp increase on both the 136 skoda engine and the AEE VW 1.6 engine.

26-06-2007, 08:56	#13
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 9,304 Thanks: 43 Thanked 432 Times in 426 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power Indeed. In the general case you can remap (either in software, or hardware by replacing the EPROM chip or adding an intercept chip) any car which uses electronic controls for determining ignition timing and fuelling, so pretty much anything with a lambda sensor and catalytic convertor.

26-06-2007, 18:34	#14
pinkskud not a bird!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: pixi said not to fill my box Posts: 2,086 Thanks: 1 Thanked 70 Times in 67 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power i think it would need to be chipped (hardware) rather than re-mapped (software)

12-07-2007, 18:27	#16
Felicia racer Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 416 Thanks: 16 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power I have a felicia estate. !.6 mpi laurent and klement special edition i don't really want a sports exhaust because my m8's car have them and they always get pulled over, so i like the "im in a skoda so im not a boy racer" aproach! So i have decided I was gonna buy a induction kit as its cheaper too. How much performance would you say it would increase by? because the top speed is only about 105 mph or 112 down hill.

13-07-2007, 10:21	#17
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 9,304 Thanks: 43 Thanked 432 Times in 426 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power You might see 5bhp or so increase; depends on how much cooler and less restrictive the induciton kit runs.

13-07-2007, 10:52	#18
TeflonTom Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 7,365 Thanks: 26 Thanked 161 Times in 137 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power i reckon you'd be lucky to see any gain at all compared when compared to a nice new standard filter __________________

13-07-2007, 11:03	#19
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 9,304 Thanks: 43 Thanked 432 Times in 426 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power Somewhere in the range Tom and I mention. As I say, it really depends a lot on the standard design (which I don't know). Also, I was quoting an "open road" figure; the rolling road figure will be lower, because part of the gain from a well-designed free-flow intake is from getting cooler air to the engine, which doesn't happen unless the car's moving.

14-07-2007, 14:32	#20
pinkskud not a bird!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: pixi said not to fill my box Posts: 2,086 Thanks: 1 Thanked 70 Times in 67 Posts	Re: what can i do to get more power the induction kit made quite a differance on my 1.6. a de-cat helps to

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