EBC Brakes

ScoobyChris · 24-02-2007, 21:40

After fading the stock brakes on the Mondeo after a couple of high speed stops on track, I decided the brakes could do with some upgrading! After looking around, I decided to settle on some EBC turbo-groove discs and EBC redstuff ceramic pads.

Fitting was a piece of cake (thanks, Nick

) and after 2 or 3 60-10mph stops, they started to bite nicely and after a couple more they were getting nicely bedded in and scrubbing off speed alarmingly quickly with no sign of fading. Under hard braking, they also sound like an aircraft flying over, thanks to the grooves!

Plus the grooved discs with rows of dimples look very cool behind the wheels

Chris

Josh_PoloGTi · 24-02-2007, 21:57

Due to no suppliers around Sheffield having stock of Mintex/Ferodo/Pagid performance pads today, and me being in desperate need for some (along with new discs), I got some EBC Greenstuff pads.

I didn't like them much when I tried them when they first came out, but that was something like 8 years ago, and they reckon they've changed the formula since then.

I'm bedding them in gently, but they already have a lovely bite to them. We'll see how they go on.

I got plain Zimmerman discs btw, so no aeroplane noises for me

ScoobyChris · 24-02-2007, 22:07

I looked at the Greenstuff but ruled them out as they said weren't suitable for track work and the Redstuff's have good performance from cold which was my only concern about a more agressive compound

Interestingly, the Redstuff's are designed for 200+bhp cars so they were only listed for the ST220 (even though all the Mondeo's have the same brake setup!)... not sure if that's true for the Octy too....

Chris

***ncarring*** · 24-02-2007, 22:08

I can testify to the stopping power - I still have the bruises from the seatbelt

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Originally Posted by scoobychris

Plus the grooved discs with rows of dimples look very cool behind the wheels

Tart!

Decron · 25-02-2007, 01:02

Used both on the track with 312 drilled discs.

Greenstuff - Useless, plain and simple. after 3 hot laps they started to disintegrate, a complete waste of money.

Redstuff - Survived the track and did well for 5 laps, then the system boiled so I gave up but not bad. Unfortunately they were never the same after being hot and got progressively worse over about 2000 miles where they were so bad I had to change them, they might as well have been made of cheese. They also didn't like the cold mornnings you had to be careful for the first 2-3 miles....

Annoyingly I didn't get the ds2500's because they were a little difficult to get hold of and over £100, which is what both other sets cost me. I have learnt my lesson with pads.

In short, I was not impressed with either compounds and the £27 Apecs I have at the moment are much better at an overall braking performance. If I cook these then it won't hurt to replace them. If I cook them all the time then I need to slow down....

cheezemonkhai · 25-02-2007, 01:12

Decron, how long ago was that, as I know they have changed the compounds massively for both green and red stuff. Red is now a ceramic compound.

Josh_PoloGTi · 25-02-2007, 08:54

Here is EBC's description of their current range of products:

Quote:

“Greenstuff” is the name coined to describe our current sport automotive pad. A high friction Aramid based organic pad with very low metallic content that comes on strong from first application of the brake pedal, without disc damage and minimal brake dust. Recommended for road use and hillclimb only.

“Redstuff”, our semi metallic high performance road material made a flying start in saloon car racing, having clinched the Slick 50 Saloon Car Championship with the Honda of Ian Mitchell in 1997, with extensive use by many race teams going into 1999 on the Porsche 924 Championship cars and on European Citroen Saxo and BMW class racing. Now only recommended for road use in cars with 200BHP+.

“Yellowstuff” is the name for EBC’s latest full race formulation which is currently in race use in Europe and was the choice of 1999/2000/2001 series winners Nick Reynolds and Martin Bell in the BMW Class, Westfield and S2000 Championships in 2002.

Our endurance grade, longest lasting material "Bluestuff" has a slightly lower friction coefficient than its counterparts Green, Yellow and Red but delivers far longer life and is suitable for endurance races up to six hours in duration on most types of saloon cars. It is obviously the drivers responsibility to evaluate the lifetime before undertaking any types of race use.

Also:

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Greenstuff:
Triple award winning EBC Greenstuff pads are now available in an upgraded AF44/78 formulation for most European cars, again ECE R-90 compliant, yet the new formulation offers higher thermal conductivity and therefore reduces incidents of brake judder, better cold braking and better wear life over previous EBC green formulations. EBC Greenstuff is an excellent fast A road pad for all road legal cars, but is not for track day use.

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Redstuff V3
High Performance Road M3, Evo, Impreza etc.

Effective to above 750°C

The recently improved V3 formulation is a very well accepted fast A and B road pad for all quicker street legal saloons, providing improved braking from cold and better high end temperature resistance. The V3 material is not suitable for trackday use, please see our Redstuff ceramic pad for track day applications.

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Redstuff Ceramic
Following significant race and track testing and developments EBC are proud to launch this new range of ceramic Redstuff pads for the fastest street cars and for track day use.
The new material is only available for a selected range of fast street cars and was recently tested through several hundred kilometres of race use at the Nurburgring and came through with flying colours. EBC Redstuff ceramic is one of the first pads to be offered that is ECE R-90 compliant and therefore legal for road use and yet is capable of withstanding track day torture.

Thinking maybe I should have gone for the Redstuff V3 at least... But we'll see how they go.

ScoobyChris · 25-02-2007, 10:11

Thanks for posting those details - there was a table somewhere on the web comparing their performance and wear characteristics at certain temperatures as well as equivalent pads. The Redstuff Ceramics were compared to the DS2500's and Mintex 1144's.

My main concern with going with the Redstuff Ceramics was that they'd have no cold performance, but I've been amazed how much stopping power they do have when cold. They then just get better and better as they warm up! Hopefully will get the car to Brunters again and give them a proper workout

Chris

Decron · 27-02-2007, 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheezemonkhai

Decron, how long ago was that, as I know they have changed the compounds massively for both green and red stuff. Red is now a ceramic compound.

Changed them about 2 months agao, I had the ceramic ones.

**TaviaRS** · 27-02-2007, 09:38

I've made my thoughts clear on EBC pads, do a search on here and you'll see what I thought.

Chris, what sort of fade did yiou have? Pad or fluid?

Stuart_J · 27-02-2007, 09:48

I had them once on the scoob about 4 years ago, they were absolutely useless Im guessing they have finally got their act together

ScoobyChris · 27-02-2007, 10:22

Jon, God suspected the fade was pad related, but I have no idea how to tell the difference

All I know is that after a few similar high speed stops on my private roads (and some other people's private roads) I have not experienced any fade, which makes me suspect it wasn't the fluid.

Will be interesting to see how they fair on a track though, which was the primary reason for going for them!

Stuart, I had Greenstuff's on my Scooby 4 or 5 years back and they were awful, but the new compounds are meant to be significantly better. I'm not sure whether they would work well on OEM discs though.....

Chris

faboka vrs · 27-02-2007, 10:50

I've heard some bad reports about ebc years ago but from what I heard from a friend the Reds have impoved alot.

Well just placed my order for DS2500 all round from are friend at Demon Tweeks. Jsut need to order some Pro Race 2000 now.

**TaviaRS** · 27-02-2007, 10:55

My redstuffs disintegrated, basically crumbled / delaminated from the metal backing plate

ScoobyChris · 27-02-2007, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

My redstuffs disintegrated, basically crumbled / delaminated from the metal backing plate

Was this the recent ceramic compound? I've never seen any bad reviews for these, and this lady raves about them

Chris

**TaviaRS** · 27-02-2007, 11:12

They were the Ceramic V2 IIRC.

I note Jamie is complaining of crumbling

FYI: Jamie is a rather cute, petite lady. Used to rally a Justy

katiekat · 08-03-2007, 04:19

i've been using EBC brakes, i'm quite satisfied with the improvements they made. So far, i think i have to stick with ebc.

razor · 09-03-2007, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by katiekat

i've been using EBC brakes, i'm quite satisfied with the improvements they made. So far, i think i have to stick with ebc.

yea im the same disc's (groved and drilled) and green stuff pads all good so far but i need a fluid change!!!!!!!!!!!!

Decron · 10-03-2007, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

My redstuffs disintegrated, basically crumbled / delaminated from the metal backing plate

Took mine off before this happened, but they were starting to break up.

Ceramic compond

? A waste of £80 IMHO for 5 laps and 2000 miles.

ScoobyChris · 13-03-2007, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decron

Ceramic compond

? A waste of £80 IMHO for 5 laps and 2000 miles.

£80

Chris

24-02-2007, 21:40	#1
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,123 Thanks: 15 Thanked 327 Times in 285 Posts	EBC Brakes After fading the stock brakes on the Mondeo after a couple of high speed stops on track, I decided the brakes could do with some upgrading! After looking around, I decided to settle on some EBC turbo-groove discs and EBC redstuff ceramic pads. Fitting was a piece of cake (thanks, Nick ) and after 2 or 3 60-10mph stops, they started to bite nicely and after a couple more they were getting nicely bedded in and scrubbing off speed alarmingly quickly with no sign of fading. Under hard braking, they also sound like an aircraft flying over, thanks to the grooves! Plus the grooved discs with rows of dimples look very cool behind the wheels Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian.......... Last edited by ScoobyChris; 24-02-2007 at 22:02.

24-02-2007, 22:07	#3
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,123 Thanks: 15 Thanked 327 Times in 285 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes I looked at the Greenstuff but ruled them out as they said weren't suitable for track work and the Redstuff's have good performance from cold which was my only concern about a more agressive compound Interestingly, the Redstuff's are designed for 200+bhp cars so they were only listed for the ST220 (even though all the Mondeo's have the same brake setup!)... not sure if that's true for the Octy too.... Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

25-02-2007, 01:02	#5
Decron It's all good Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cwmbran - South Wales Posts: 3,374 Thanks: 58 Thanked 222 Times in 171 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes Used both on the track with 312 drilled discs. Greenstuff - Useless, plain and simple. after 3 hot laps they started to disintegrate, a complete waste of money. Redstuff - Survived the track and did well for 5 laps, then the system boiled so I gave up but not bad. Unfortunately they were never the same after being hot and got progressively worse over about 2000 miles where they were so bad I had to change them, they might as well have been made of cheese. They also didn't like the cold mornnings you had to be careful for the first 2-3 miles.... Annoyingly I didn't get the ds2500's because they were a little difficult to get hold of and over £100, which is what both other sets cost me. I have learnt my lesson with pads. In short, I was not impressed with either compounds and the £27 Apecs I have at the moment are much better at an overall braking performance. If I cook these then it won't hurt to replace them. If I cook them all the time then I need to slow down....

25-02-2007, 01:12	#6
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,723 Thanks: 91 Thanked 412 Times in 383 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes Decron, how long ago was that, as I know they have changed the compounds massively for both green and red stuff. Red is now a ceramic compound. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

25-02-2007, 10:11	#8
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,123 Thanks: 15 Thanked 327 Times in 285 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes Thanks for posting those details - there was a table somewhere on the web comparing their performance and wear characteristics at certain temperatures as well as equivalent pads. The Redstuff Ceramics were compared to the DS2500's and Mintex 1144's. My main concern with going with the Redstuff Ceramics was that they'd have no cold performance, but I've been amazed how much stopping power they do have when cold. They then just get better and better as they warm up! Hopefully will get the car to Brunters again and give them a proper workout Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

27-02-2007, 09:38	#10
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes I've made my thoughts clear on EBC pads, do a search on here and you'll see what I thought. Chris, what sort of fade did yiou have? Pad or fluid? __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

27-02-2007, 09:48	#11
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,604 Thanks: 38 Thanked 81 Times in 74 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes I had them once on the scoob about 4 years ago, they were absolutely useless Im guessing they have finally got their act together __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

27-02-2007, 10:22	#12
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,123 Thanks: 15 Thanked 327 Times in 285 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes Jon, God suspected the fade was pad related, but I have no idea how to tell the difference All I know is that after a few similar high speed stops on my private roads (and some other people's private roads) I have not experienced any fade, which makes me suspect it wasn't the fluid. Will be interesting to see how they fair on a track though, which was the primary reason for going for them! Stuart, I had Greenstuff's on my Scooby 4 or 5 years back and they were awful, but the new compounds are meant to be significantly better. I'm not sure whether they would work well on OEM discs though..... Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

27-02-2007, 10:50	#13
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 11 Thanked 35 Times in 35 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes I've heard some bad reports about ebc years ago but from what I heard from a friend the Reds have impoved alot. Well just placed my order for DS2500 all round from are friend at Demon Tweeks. Jsut need to order some Pro Race 2000 now. __________________ John Take away the poor damping, inadequate bushes, heavy diesel lump and spongy brakes its not a bad warm hatch

27-02-2007, 10:55	#14
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes My redstuffs disintegrated, basically crumbled / delaminated from the metal backing plate __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

27-02-2007, 11:12	#16
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes They were the Ceramic V2 IIRC. I note Jamie is complaining of crumbling FYI: Jamie is a rather cute, petite lady. Used to rally a Justy __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays Last edited by TaviaRS; 27-02-2007 at 11:15.

08-03-2007, 04:19	#17
katiekat Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: EBC Brakes i've been using EBC brakes, i'm quite satisfied with the improvements they made. So far, i think i have to stick with ebc.

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