The Great Funky J Sound System Install (part 3 - This Time Its Personal!!))

funkyjutel · 01-07-2003, 19:15

............Right Part numero 3........

Next was the most important thing in my opinion..........how to stop mr rattly rattling.

My Octy always suffered with major vibration as soon as the stereo went above about 10 on the symphony.

So to cure trim and door rattles, drastic action was needed. Anyone who even considers doing a new stereo install, should critically consider the next part of what I'm describing, as my car sounds like a totally new car, from the acoustic point of view.

My friends suggested that I scrap buying expensive acoustic insulation, as it is very hard to put on and not cheap. Getting the door trim off was right fun I can tell you.......

1st passenger side front. To get this off, first need to unscrew the panels. These from memory are held on with size 15 stardrive screws (could be 10 I can't entirely remember)

This bit is easy. Next remove the interior door light carefully. Then the fun starts.........To get the door trim panel off completely, you need to remove the handle. This is in 2 pieces. There is a seam running down the middle, which you need to get off with a small flat blade, in between the two seams, very gently, as the plastic is very soft and tears easily, trust me.

Once off you need to then unscrew the two hex head bolts holding the trim to the body and then detach it. Then you can pull the trim up over the door pin and access the door casing.

The casing is covered by a flimsy plastic and paper type waterproofing, which I tore straight off. This is just glued at the edges.

Next came the really hard work – the sound deadening. I used 10cm wide Aquaseal, which is used typically for waterproofing the outside of door and exterior seams. It is basically bitumen on a roll. This is about £9.99 from B&Q and relatively easy to use. The best advice I can give you, is put it on when it’s not too hot, as I found out on Saturday. When it sticks it’s almost impossible to get off, so being hot just makes it worse. I ended up putting it in the fridge to make it easier to use.

Then you unroll it and offer it up to the door to see how long you need to cut. Once done, you have to try and get your hands up into the inside door skin and press it along the very top of the cavity. This needs 2 people, as space is limited and fingers and hands get very stuck!! Once there take off the covering on the back about 1” and stick on the door. Once stuck down, pull the backing off slowly pressing it down from above until you reach the other end. Best to do this horizontally not vertically. Once the outer skin is done, work on the inner skin. This is harder and needs little strips to cover as much as possible.

See picy for detail.
I then moved onto doing drivers door, which is even harder as the cavities are even tighter, more sore hands!!

After this I concentrated on doing the boot area, behind the carpet trim on both walls – again see picy.

5 rolls did the two front doors and all the boot area. It’s a very time consuming job so you need plenty of patience and time. It is totally worth it. The difference is astonishing when everything is screwed back together and the doors sound like a crypt shutting!!

This means NO MORE RATTLES/VIBRATION yehhhhh!!!!!!!!

I think this would be worth doing, even if you’re not changing the stereo. The difference it makes is quite frankly astonishing. Let’s face it not only saves money but increases your listening pleasure for a little hard work and not much money.

Part 4 to follow……………………

funkyjutel · 01-07-2003, 22:01

Here is another pic, this time of sound deadening in boot space

mellowyellow · 01-07-2003, 22:05

Andre , you really are a tart , ........................I mean car tart

FabiaTDi · 01-07-2003, 22:30

I did a similar thing on my last car and it was great to hear the doors thunk shut. - very satisfying especially as it was a peugeot 205 which are a bit tinny to say the least!

Thing is its easy to get carried away - i must have added quite a bit of extra weight through bits of dynamat and sound proof felt!

funkyjutel · 01-07-2003, 23:08

Great thing about Aquaseal is that it doesn't weigh anywhere as much as Dynamat!!

**TaviaRS** · 02-07-2003, 10:44

Yep, that stuff is almost as good as Dynamat and about 1/4 the price

01-07-2003, 19:15	#1
funkyjutel Detail Doctor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Just round the corner from Willie Shakespeare, close to his mum's gaff and not far from the centre of england.... Posts: 646 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Great Funky J Sound System Install (part 3 - This Time Its Personal!!)) ............Right Part numero 3........ Next was the most important thing in my opinion..........how to stop mr rattly rattling. My Octy always suffered with major vibration as soon as the stereo went above about 10 on the symphony. So to cure trim and door rattles, drastic action was needed. Anyone who even considers doing a new stereo install, should critically consider the next part of what I'm describing, as my car sounds like a totally new car, from the acoustic point of view. My friends suggested that I scrap buying expensive acoustic insulation, as it is very hard to put on and not cheap. Getting the door trim off was right fun I can tell you....... 1st passenger side front. To get this off, first need to unscrew the panels. These from memory are held on with size 15 stardrive screws (could be 10 I can't entirely remember) This bit is easy. Next remove the interior door light carefully. Then the fun starts.........To get the door trim panel off completely, you need to remove the handle. This is in 2 pieces. There is a seam running down the middle, which you need to get off with a small flat blade, in between the two seams, very gently, as the plastic is very soft and tears easily, trust me. Once off you need to then unscrew the two hex head bolts holding the trim to the body and then detach it. Then you can pull the trim up over the door pin and access the door casing. The casing is covered by a flimsy plastic and paper type waterproofing, which I tore straight off. This is just glued at the edges. Next came the really hard work – the sound deadening. I used 10cm wide Aquaseal, which is used typically for waterproofing the outside of door and exterior seams. It is basically bitumen on a roll. This is about £9.99 from B&Q and relatively easy to use. The best advice I can give you, is put it on when it’s not too hot, as I found out on Saturday. When it sticks it’s almost impossible to get off, so being hot just makes it worse. I ended up putting it in the fridge to make it easier to use. Then you unroll it and offer it up to the door to see how long you need to cut. Once done, you have to try and get your hands up into the inside door skin and press it along the very top of the cavity. This needs 2 people, as space is limited and fingers and hands get very stuck!! Once there take off the covering on the back about 1” and stick on the door. Once stuck down, pull the backing off slowly pressing it down from above until you reach the other end. Best to do this horizontally not vertically. Once the outer skin is done, work on the inner skin. This is harder and needs little strips to cover as much as possible. See picy for detail. I then moved onto doing drivers door, which is even harder as the cavities are even tighter, more sore hands!! After this I concentrated on doing the boot area, behind the carpet trim on both walls – again see picy. 5 rolls did the two front doors and all the boot area. It’s a very time consuming job so you need plenty of patience and time. It is totally worth it. The difference is astonishing when everything is screwed back together and the doors sound like a crypt shutting!! This means NO MORE RATTLES/VIBRATION yehhhhh!!!!!!!! I think this would be worth doing, even if you’re not changing the stereo. The difference it makes is quite frankly astonishing. Let’s face it not only saves money but increases your listening pleasure for a little hard work and not much money. Part 4 to follow…………………… __________________ Funky Fathering Is Where It's At

01-07-2003, 22:01	#2
funkyjutel Detail Doctor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Just round the corner from Willie Shakespeare, close to his mum's gaff and not far from the centre of england.... Posts: 646 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More Pics Here is another pic, this time of sound deadening in boot space __________________ Funky Fathering Is Where It's At

01-07-2003, 22:05	#3
mellowyellow Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In the land of Stella . Posts: 2,378 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Andre , you really are a tart , ........................I mean car tart __________________ See , the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis , and only enough blood to run one at a time !

01-07-2003, 22:30	#4
FabiaTDi VT5 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,016 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I did a similar thing on my last car and it was great to hear the doors thunk shut. - very satisfying especially as it was a peugeot 205 which are a bit tinny to say the least! Thing is its easy to get carried away - i must have added quite a bit of extra weight through bits of dynamat and sound proof felt! __________________ Was: 2003 Allard Tuned Fabia vRS VT5 Turbo Conversion Now: 2008 Audi A3 Sportback TDI

01-07-2003, 23:08	#5
funkyjutel Detail Doctor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Just round the corner from Willie Shakespeare, close to his mum's gaff and not far from the centre of england.... Posts: 646 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great thing about Aquaseal is that it doesn't weigh anywhere as much as Dynamat!! __________________ Funky Fathering Is Where It's At

02-07-2003, 10:44	#6
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Yep, that stuff is almost as good as Dynamat and about 1/4 the price __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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