JabbaSport - Snow Performance

[Jabbasport]

JabbaSport are soon to release Snow Performance water/methanol kits to the UK market fully.
We're currently testing these on both the common 1.8T & PD130 engine platforms to experiment with achievable gains in both torque and horsepower.

The 1.8T kit runs from the signal sent to the ecu from the maf sensor utilising the factory washer bottle (with warning system) and PD130 from a boost pressure sensor with extra bottle, however, kits can be chopped and changed to meet individual requirements.

Prices will be around the £260 (1.8T) & £380 (Diesel) mark, we'll soon be pushing these products on our demo vehicles and getting them into magazines.

Watch this space!

[Mossman]

Watching intently!

[bpm]

For those of us that know nothing about the Snow Performance kits..... What do they do and how do they effect the car?

[Makefish]

Snow Performance website will give you a better understanding

[devonutopia]

I hear Gary's going up for this.... Interested as if I DO end up ditching my LPG there'll be a nice space above my battery area in the engine bay.

[bpm]

Originally Posted by Makefish

Snow Performance website will give you a better understanding

Taking the easy way out I see.. The general explanation is there alright, but what does it do for the 1.8T and the PD130 ? rough figures? etc?

(In your own words )

[Makefish]

Originally Posted by bpm

Taking the easy way out I see.. The general explanation is there alright, but what does it do for the 1.8T and the PD130 ? rough figures? etc?

(In your own words )

Theres no pleasing some people!

[bpm]

Originally Posted by Makefish

Theres no pleasing some people!

[mathepac]

Originally Posted by Jabbasport

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Prices will be around the £260 (1.8T) & £380 (Diesel) mark, we'll soon be pushing these products on our demo vehicles and getting them into magazines.

Watch this space!

Which kit are you proposing for the PD130, Stage 1 or Stage 2?

Watching with bated breath.

[ns_sullivan]

Originally Posted by Jabbasport

JabbaSport are soon to release Snow Performance water/methanol kits to the UK market fully.
We're currently testing these on both the common 1.8T & PD130 engine platforms to experiment with achievable gains in both torque and horsepower.

The 1.8T kit runs from the signal sent to the ecu from the maf sensor utilising the factory washer bottle (with warning system) and PD130 from a boost pressure sensor with extra bottle, however, kits can be chopped and changed to meet individual requirements.

Prices will be around the £260 (1.8T) & £380 (Diesel) mark, we'll soon be pushing these products on our demo vehicles and getting them into magazines.

Watch this space!

So has this now been tested adn when will it be avaliable do you think.
I am interested in the idea but certainly want to know more about it. have seen a few VRS's with this installed but no idea if it works well or not.

If I was to take a trip up to Jabba when I get my custom remap sorted are you likely to have your test motor up there ready and running.

[skudmissile]

Interested, but maybe not for a while till ive sorted the clutch out

[Jabbasport]

Hi Guys,

This has been tested, on our development diesel turbo kit it produced 20bhp more.

Methanol basically works as a fuel for diesel engines, whilst cooling the inlet charge temperatures and bringing exhaust gas temperature down aswell.

We're planning to do a little more development first, as we believe the kit that Snow Performance have developed for the VAG 1.8T may be better suited to the diesel application aswell, being able to take both a boost and maf sensor input. I'll see if i can dig up some rolling road printouts for everyone.

The only trouble with the kit on say a standard diesel is that the turbo would be overworked with a map and methanol kit, so fueling would have to be pulled back in the remap to let the engine use the fuel from the methanol, which could also give less smoky Wide-Open Throttle burning

As for petrols, the methanol has an octane of around 114 Octane which helps to prevent detonation, enabling the mapper to utilise more ignition advance = more power, whilst the water part of the mix cools charge temperatures, keeping the air dense into the combustion chamber.

[Jabbasport]

Please bear in mind that this is an extreme example as we were going through the development stages.

[faboka vrs]

Say it was fitted to a 1.8T so you could advanced the timing. What happens if you run out of methanol and drive about using normal 95/98/99rom? Will the ECU reduce the timimg?

[Jabbasport]

The ECU would recognise Knock, and pull the timing back, ideally you'd want one of our boost controllers, so that the boost can be turned down if you're not using methanol.

[devonutopia]

So it's actually a fuel? I need to learn so much about this. So it took that car from 250bhp to 275? Thats quite a car to start off with. But forgive me for saying it looks like you drew the dyno plot in MS paint.

(Still want this system!)

[Jabbasport]

The dyno exports the graph in bmp, so it's a bit crappy admittedly.

But yes, it burns the methanol as a fuel

[devonutopia]

Originally Posted by Jabbasport

But yes, it burns the methanol as a fuel

Would you say it is more "combustible" than propane? The issue I was having with the propane (after the race nozzles went in) was simply a massive excess of fuel, and copious black smoke. This is why I'm ditching the propane now but I don't want that kind of black smoke again. I was kind of hoping the water/methanol would act a lot like the nitrous, in that when water evaporated, you get oxygen (and hydrogen I guess ) which would be catalyst (and the methanol being the fuel I guess?) So adding a 50/50 mix would in a way, be like adding in the catalyst and the fuel at the same time? (that make sense ) (and adjusting the mix of water to methanol could be a way of controlling any smoke?)

[Jabbasport]

Maybe, there's a lot of variables in there really.
Water, as steam still stays as H20, so there's not any more Oxygen to be had, it's more the cooling effect and thermal properties of water and the expansi