Which Brake Pads?

chrish · 12-09-2003, 21:29

Which of the various pads would be recommended for use with Group N disks and standard calipers for fast road and occasional track events?
Do you get what you pay for like most things in life?

1/. Ferodo: DS 2500

2/. Pagid: Fast Road

3/. EBC: Reds on front, Greens on rear

Any others worth looking at?

Chris

stockcar · 12-09-2003, 22:25

of the ones you have mentioned then Ferodo ds2500 is probably the only one that would cope with reasonable track use (dependant on vehicle and driving style)...............
however, something like one of the competition Pagid compounds may offer you a better bet!! these are also very "streetable" in most applications.........

FabiaTDi · 12-09-2003, 22:29

stockcar, can you supply feroddo ds2500s for the fabia?

(sorry to hijack the thread!)

stockcar · 13-09-2003, 08:48

yes, would not be a problem..........although as mentioned on another thread i do not stock any pads for these applications at this precise moment!! (it would appear that i will probs have to though.........)
i have a very good relationship with Ferodo (as with the other brake manufacturers we deal with) and can normally get any "special" order pad nect day, so you will experience only minimal delay!!

chrish · 13-09-2003, 21:52

Stockcar,
The Pagid competition RS4.2 "blue" entry level competition material look like the next up from DS 2500s. I'll PM you for quote.
Chris

skodaw · 13-09-2003, 22:13

I may be asking the impossible.......but here goes

Is there a pad available(other than EBC) which has better braking & LESS brake dust ??? -- not too bothered about life span -0- am more than capable of replacing them myself -- would be nice to improve the stopping and reduce the cleaning

Stuart_J · 14-09-2003, 07:58

Re pads I have tried EBC products on my previous Subaru & wouldnt touch them again with the preverbial barge pole, I felt it was a case of "nice adverts but !!!!!"

Curently running Ferrodo DS2500 on the Skoda & I am very pleased with the result, OK its combined with bigger discs so it should be good but they are very consistent & not excessivly dusty.

Re dust I find keeping the wheels well waxed (with SWISSOL wax) means they are a doddle to clean & if you want to clen them between car washes a quick wipe over with an old towel or similar is all thats needed. The alternative is get your wheelks colour coded brake dust (anthracite) as Jon did

chrish · 14-09-2003, 20:41

Stuart,
Sent you a pm
Chris

ecklad · 15-09-2003, 09:49

I've just discarded a set of EBC pads...

And put Pagid fast road on with the new
standard disks I got under warranty...

Just bedded them in..

But no fade after 5 x 80 mph to 10 mph repeated stops, these
were to bed the disks and pads in... no problems,, smelt a bit thou...

Dazz

stockcar · 15-09-2003, 20:38

Quote:

Originally posted by ecklad in this post
I've just discarded a set of EBC pads...

And put Pagid fast road on with the new
standard disks I got under warranty...

Just bedded them in..

But no fade after 5 x 80 mph to 10 mph repeated stops, these
were to bed the disks and pads in... no problems,, smelt a bit thou...

Dazz

not really the way to bed "fast road" spec pads and new discs, you could seriously shorten the life span of your discs in this way!!
ideally light to medium use for 150miles and then a gradual build up over the next 50miles to full use.............
"fast road" pads are exactly that and should be treat as std for the purpose of bedding unlike the "rs" range of competition pads........

chrish · 15-09-2003, 21:15

I now have some prices for a Group Buy (minimum 3) of

1/. Ferodo DS 2500s or
2/. Pagids RS4.2 Blues
3/. Group N disks

If anyone is interested could they please send me a PM.

Chris

ecklad · 16-09-2003, 15:01

Bedding in my brakes... sorry forgot to add,, I did about 160ish light use miles before starting this bedding in brakes procedure.

The procedure was gotten off a USA brake disk/pad manufacturer,
and also from various people on here.... and the bedding in stops were done
on an increasing padel application for each stop.
Then gently accelerating back up and brake again slightly harder.
to about 10mph.. do this 5 times and then allow the brakes to cool off to ambient before using them again . the disk should have then turned a uniform blueish colour,, which would indicate
good heatsoak in the disk...

I did quite a lot of reading before my new brakes were put in...

Dazz

stockcar · 16-09-2003, 21:18

the problem is that these bedding in procedures are based on competition materials, and therefore do not really apply to a std type set-up - there is an awful lot of mis-information going on by people (incl. some "specialists") who either don't know or should know better!!!!.............good to see that you had done some miles beforehand so probs okay
if you need any specific advice in the future feel free to ask................

day tripper · 16-09-2003, 23:49

when my vrs is due for a service and has its pads changed do i have to pay for that or is it included in the warranty. as the items are perishable i take it i have 2 shell out for them.

if that is the case, would my skoda dealer fit these ferrodo pads if i supplied them?

SkodiRS · 17-09-2003, 00:26

Anything on the car which can be replaced due to normal wear and tear such brake pads, wipers blade, windscreen wash, tyres, oil etc has to be paid for by you.

Parts which fail within a reasonable amount of mileage or time may be replaceable under warranty.

This is not gospel just my take on matters. If in doubt our friendly customer service rep (

) Niki can clarify (I assume).

Your garage will be able to fit your pads for you but non standard part may invalidate all or part of your warranty.

Why not change them yourself...they're a doddle....and your garage wouldn't be able to tell...unless they take them out or they're some lurid colour.

**TaviaRS** · 17-09-2003, 07:34

Chris, others you may want to try are the Mintex ones; 1155, 1166 or 1153.

Alyn, any part numbers for these? Just curious as after this weekend's Ring trip, I've heard that the Pagid blues and above are quite tough on discs.

stockcar · 17-09-2003, 07:50

Quote:

Originally posted by TaviaRS in this post
Chris, others you may want to try are the Mintex ones; 1155, 1166 or 1153.

Alyn, any part numbers for these? Just curious as after this weekend's Ring trip, I've heard that the Pagid blues and above are quite tough on discs.

E1678 (front) & E1158 (rear).......be quite suprised at your comments as, compared to their competition, the Pagid materials are among the most "disc friendly" compounds available.............

**TaviaRS** · 17-09-2003, 08:19

The Mintex part nos are the same as the Pagid ones? Are they the same company or is that a typo?

stockcar · 17-09-2003, 08:27

TMD friction owns both company's but run totally independantly at the mo'............think its just a strange occurrence for the no's to be the same........

**TaviaRS** · 17-09-2003, 08:47

Wierd!

So, next question, how do all these compounds compare?

I'm assuming that its:

Pagid Blue
1153
DS2500
1155
Orange
Black
1166
DS3000
Grey

In ascending order of harshness. Any idea where I could get the temp ratings and Mu figures for the various pads from? The list I've got with those figures and their suitability to various applications is a little out of date and doesn't include half of those listed.

As to the Pagid harshness to discs, I'm basing that on hearsay as I haven't actually tried them yet. Its based on the experiences of others who've run them, admitedly on APs (Scoobs) and Brembos (Evos), rather than the group Ns that I run.

12-09-2003, 21:29	#1
chrish Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 557 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Which Brake Pads? Which of the various pads would be recommended for use with Group N disks and standard calipers for fast road and occasional track events? Do you get what you pay for like most things in life? 1/. Ferodo: DS 2500 2/. Pagid: Fast Road 3/. EBC: Reds on front, Greens on rear Any others worth looking at? Chris

12-09-2003, 22:25	#2
stockcar Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: north east Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	of the ones you have mentioned then Ferodo ds2500 is probably the only one that would cope with reasonable track use (dependant on vehicle and driving style)............... however, something like one of the competition Pagid compounds may offer you a better bet!! these are also very "streetable" in most applications......... __________________ ASPerformance PELTOR, COMPOMOTIVE, PAGID MOTUL, FERODO, SPEEDLINE, TRS, MINTEX, PIAA, HELLA, MILLERS OILS new online shop!!

12-09-2003, 22:29	#3
FabiaTDi VT5 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,016 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	stockcar, can you supply feroddo ds2500s for the fabia? (sorry to hijack the thread!) __________________ Was: 2003 Allard Tuned Fabia vRS VT5 Turbo Conversion Now: 2008 Audi A3 Sportback TDI

13-09-2003, 08:48	#4
stockcar Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: north east Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yes, would not be a problem..........although as mentioned on another thread i do not stock any pads for these applications at this precise moment!! (it would appear that i will probs have to though.........) i have a very good relationship with Ferodo (as with the other brake manufacturers we deal with) and can normally get any "special" order pad nect day, so you will experience only minimal delay!! __________________ ASPerformance PELTOR, COMPOMOTIVE, PAGID MOTUL, FERODO, SPEEDLINE, TRS, MINTEX, PIAA, HELLA, MILLERS OILS new online shop!!

13-09-2003, 22:13	#6
skodaw Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: This area is under construction - please call back later :) Posts: 3,186 Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	I may be asking the impossible.......but here goes Is there a pad available(other than EBC) which has better braking & LESS brake dust ??? -- not too bothered about life span -0- am more than capable of replacing them myself -- would be nice to improve the stopping and reduce the cleaning __________________ Dave '05 Silver Fabia vRS

13-09-2003, 21:52	#5
chrish Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 557 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stockcar, The Pagid competition RS4.2 "blue" entry level competition material look like the next up from DS 2500s. I'll PM you for quote. Chris

14-09-2003, 07:58	#7
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,600 Thanks: 38 Thanked 81 Times in 74 Posts	Re pads I have tried EBC products on my previous Subaru & wouldnt touch them again with the preverbial barge pole, I felt it was a case of "nice adverts but !!!!!" Curently running Ferrodo DS2500 on the Skoda & I am very pleased with the result, OK its combined with bigger discs so it should be good but they are very consistent & not excessivly dusty. Re dust I find keeping the wheels well waxed (with SWISSOL wax) means they are a doddle to clean & if you want to clen them between car washes a quick wipe over with an old towel or similar is all thats needed. The alternative is get your wheelks colour coded brake dust (anthracite) as Jon did __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

14-09-2003, 20:41	#8
chrish Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 557 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stuart, Sent you a pm Chris

15-09-2003, 09:49	#9
ecklad Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Shamone Mother F*****r Hi Hi Posts: 727 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've just discarded a set of EBC pads... And put Pagid fast road on with the new standard disks I got under warranty... Just bedded them in.. But no fade after 5 x 80 mph to 10 mph repeated stops, these were to bed the disks and pads in... no problems,, smelt a bit thou... Dazz __________________ Blackadder Quote of the Year ! ( I don't change it often) Blackadder: Baldrick, have you no idea what irony is? Baldrick: Yes, it's like goldy and bronzy only it's made out of iron. 03 reg Magic Black Octavia vRS, standard well apart from, Pagid FR pads, 225x45x17 Toyo Proxies T1-R.

15-09-2003, 21:15	#11
chrish Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 557 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I now have some prices for a Group Buy (minimum 3) of 1/. Ferodo DS 2500s or 2/. Pagids RS4.2 Blues 3/. Group N disks If anyone is interested could they please send me a PM. Chris

16-09-2003, 15:01	#12
ecklad Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Shamone Mother F*****r Hi Hi Posts: 727 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bedding in my brakes... sorry forgot to add,, I did about 160ish light use miles before starting this bedding in brakes procedure. The procedure was gotten off a USA brake disk/pad manufacturer, and also from various people on here.... and the bedding in stops were done on an increasing padel application for each stop. Then gently accelerating back up and brake again slightly harder. to about 10mph.. do this 5 times and then allow the brakes to cool off to ambient before using them again . the disk should have then turned a uniform blueish colour,, which would indicate good heatsoak in the disk... I did quite a lot of reading before my new brakes were put in... Dazz __________________ Blackadder Quote of the Year ! ( I don't change it often) Blackadder: Baldrick, have you no idea what irony is? Baldrick: Yes, it's like goldy and bronzy only it's made out of iron. 03 reg Magic Black Octavia vRS, standard well apart from, Pagid FR pads, 225x45x17 Toyo Proxies T1-R.

16-09-2003, 21:18	#13
stockcar Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: north east Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the problem is that these bedding in procedures are based on competition materials, and therefore do not really apply to a std type set-up - there is an awful lot of mis-information going on by people (incl. some "specialists") who either don't know or should know better!!!!.............good to see that you had done some miles beforehand so probs okay if you need any specific advice in the future feel free to ask................ __________________ ASPerformance PELTOR, COMPOMOTIVE, PAGID MOTUL, FERODO, SPEEDLINE, TRS, MINTEX, PIAA, HELLA, MILLERS OILS new online shop!!

16-09-2003, 23:49	#14
day tripper Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,717 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	when my vrs is due for a service and has its pads changed do i have to pay for that or is it included in the warranty. as the items are perishable i take it i have 2 shell out for them. if that is the case, would my skoda dealer fit these ferrodo pads if i supplied them?

17-09-2003, 00:26	#15
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Anything on the car which can be replaced due to normal wear and tear such brake pads, wipers blade, windscreen wash, tyres, oil etc has to be paid for by you. Parts which fail within a reasonable amount of mileage or time may be replaceable under warranty. This is not gospel just my take on matters. If in doubt our friendly customer service rep ( ) Niki can clarify (I assume). Your garage will be able to fit your pads for you but non standard part may invalidate all or part of your warranty. Why not change them yourself...they're a doddle....and your garage wouldn't be able to tell...unless they take them out or they're some lurid colour. __________________ Adrian.

17-09-2003, 07:34	#16
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Chris, others you may want to try are the Mintex ones; 1155, 1166 or 1153. Alyn, any part numbers for these? Just curious as after this weekend's Ring trip, I've heard that the Pagid blues and above are quite tough on discs. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

17-09-2003, 08:19	#18
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	The Mintex part nos are the same as the Pagid ones? Are they the same company or is that a typo? __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

17-09-2003, 08:27	#19
stockcar Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: north east Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TMD friction owns both company's but run totally independantly at the mo'............think its just a strange occurrence for the no's to be the same........ __________________ ASPerformance PELTOR, COMPOMOTIVE, PAGID MOTUL, FERODO, SPEEDLINE, TRS, MINTEX, PIAA, HELLA, MILLERS OILS new online shop!!

17-09-2003, 08:47	#20
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Wierd! So, next question, how do all these compounds compare? I'm assuming that its: Pagid Blue 1153 DS2500 1155 Orange Black 1166 DS3000 Grey In ascending order of harshness. Any idea where I could get the temp ratings and Mu figures for the various pads from? The list I've got with those figures and their suitability to various applications is a little out of date and doesn't include half of those listed. As to the Pagid harshness to discs, I'm basing that on hearsay as I haven't actually tried them yet. Its based on the experiences of others who've run them, admitedly on APs (Scoobs) and Brembos (Evos), rather than the group Ns that I run. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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