Felicia Central Locking suddenly failed - some questions

paeuk · 29-03-2003, 19:22

Hi,

I've just bought a Felicia (1997) extremely low mileage and excellent condition.

Unfortunatley on the first day of using it the central locking completely failed (worked in the morning, didn't work in the evening and hasn't since).

I can open both front doors with the key no problem, but the central locking is non-existent from either front door. I've checked the fuse (OK) and bought a haynes manual to check the wiring diagram.

I have a few of questions I'd appreciate some advise on please.

1. Where is the Central Locking Control unit located!!!

2. Is there a relay in the circuit because the Haynes manual doesn't indicate there is one but one of the diagnostic suggestions in the manual for failed Central Locking is "failed relay"!!
3. If there is a relay can you advise which position it sits in the rear of the fuse box as the Haynes Manual has no such diagrams! Useful eh.

Lastly .... are there any suggestions on this fault please. I assume as both doors do not trigger the Central Locking mechanism that it's most likely to be the Control Box (or a relay if one exists). Is this a common fault (I've checked the other threads which don't really seem to relate to a similar problem.

I'm planning to put it into a garage as the previous owner (a friend) said he'd cover the cost which is good of him - but thought I'd check here in case it's something very simple and which I can therefore save some money on.

Many thanks for any help, am I glad I stumbled on this website!

Paul

AndyC · 29-03-2003, 21:49

I had a 1996 GLX Felicia that sometimes had a simalar problem. It seemed to be caused when someone used one of the pop up buttons from inside the car, this caused the central locking to fail.
Try the following - from inside the car with all the doors closed, manually push down all the buttons, now pull the drivers door button up - this may reactivate the central locking.

Hope this helps

AndyC

***DGW*** · 30-03-2003, 16:17

Looking at the electronic parts catalogue, there is an electronic control unit for the central locking but no sign of any relay. Unfortunately the catalogue does not show the location of the control unit. However it is not listed with the fuse box and it is mounted on its own holder bracket.

Time to walk mother and the dog........

paeuk · 30-03-2003, 16:28

Thanks AndyC (and Denis),

I've tried the suggestion with pushing all locks down from the inside etc., still no change unfortunately.

The car was bought for my wife and I did see my son trying to lock the passenger door "manually" as my wife was trying to lock the car with the key ... so now I'm wondering whether indeed what you say was how this situation has arisen. If it's the case then it's an amazingly sensitive design to fail in this way.

Also scouted around for the control unit and can't locate it.

I think I'll give a Skoda a call tomorrow and see if they can make any recommendations over the phone - otherwise it's a case of booking it in I suppose.

Thanks again.
Paul

ect · 31-03-2003, 22:45

having a similar problem with c/l on me octy 4x4. all doors lock using c/l botton on key but drivers door stays locked when opening . took it back to dealer & they will replace lock motor as its only 6 months old.

hope you get sorted m8

regds ect

big k · 07-04-2003, 21:33

first the c/locking control unit is behind dash panel second if the c/locking has become out of sync with other doors (this happens if passenger/drivers door is only half shut when locking you need to sit in drivers seat and operate only drivers + passengers door knobs up/down simutaneosly a few times) if this doesn't work i would recommend both front door actuators are replaced. I have worked on skoda's for 15 years and have replaced hundreds of actuators and only one control unit . hope this helps

paeuk · 07-04-2003, 22:24

Quote:

Originally posted by big k in this post
first the c/locking control unit is behind dash panel second if the c/locking has become out of sync with other doors (this happens if passenger/drivers door is only half shut when locking you need to sit in drivers seat and operate only drivers + passengers door knobs up/down simutaneosly a few times) if this doesn't work i would recommend both front door actuators are replaced. I have worked on skoda's for 15 years and have replaced hundreds of actuators and only one control unit . hope this helps

Thanks Big K. I'll check this out. Is it possible to "isolate" which actuator may be causing the problem by disconnecting one and checking if the other works (locks three doors)? Or is it not as straight forward as that .. i.e. do actuators generally need replacing in pairs?

Glad to know that the control unit is unlikely to be the source of the problem.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

Paul

big k · 08-04-2003, 20:45

actuators need not neccessary be replaced in pairs, you might try disconnecting 1 to see if the other will continue working (maybee one actuator is causing conflict) but in my experience i would say both actuators (don't know if skoda would be happy me being on here giving away all there secrets!)

FabiaTDi · 08-04-2003, 21:42

Quote:

Originally posted by big k in this post
(don't know if skoda would be happy me being on here giving away all there secrets!)

Hello big k,
Feel free to "spill the beans" anytime you want

Welcome to the site by the way..
Expert advice will be very welcome across the board! .

big k · 08-04-2003, 22:44

i will do my best hello fabia TDi very new to the site having a look around finding my feet have been working at skoda franchise (not saying which one) for 15 years (give or take a couple years) and have built up a wide knowledge on skoda's i first started my apprenteship on the old rear engine estelle's how times have changed i will be pleased to lend my knowledge to all that need (hence to say i don't have all the answers) as long as skoda don't get the ****! If anyone out there has a problem then feel free to ask i will do my best to get the answer for you.

paeuk · 08-04-2003, 23:06

Quote:

Originally posted by big k in this post
actuators need not neccessary be replaced in pairs, you might try disconnecting 1 to see if the other will continue working (maybee one actuator is causing conflict) but in my experience i would say both actuators (don't know if skoda would be happy me being on here giving away all there secrets!)

Thanks. Great having you on this site.

I'll probably check the actuators individually before spending money on getting someone to look at it.

Thanks again.
Paul

big k · 09-04-2003, 20:42

your welcome paul.

skipcat01 · 31-12-2004, 07:15

Paul,
Try jhmbuttco.com if it's not listedin the calalogue give them a call, they deal directly with the factory. I'm having an even bigger problem with my 96 GLX, mine the motors won't stop running and I think it is somehow tied into the alarm system. When it warms up a bit I will be tracing the entire system and if possible will put a true diagram on for you and others to use as a reference.

Skip,

graham.parker23 · 23-02-2005, 16:00

Trying to get hold of a wiring diagram for the cruise control on my octavia 1.9tdi

Lummox · 23-02-2005, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by big k

i will do my best hello fabia TDi im very new to the site having a look around finding my feet.

In the words of the virgin Mary "Come again?"

Join date is April 2003?

Lummox · 23-02-2005, 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by graham.parker23

Trying to get hold of a wiring diagram for the cruise control on my octavia 1.9tdi

And that has what to do with this thread??????????

And ive changed quite a few solenoids for Felicia CDL, including two on my own car.

***DGW*** · 23-02-2005, 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

And that has what to do with this thread??????????

It's not unusual for new members to post in the wrong thread. On this forum Mods tend not to be so tactless as you when this happens.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

In the words of the virgin Mary "Come again?"

Join date is April 2003?

This thread started nearly 2 years ago, and the post you are referring to was dated 4 Apr 2003. What point are you trying make?

Lummox · 23-02-2005, 19:50

My appologies.

29-03-2003, 19:22	#1
paeuk Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Felicia Central Locking suddenly failed - some questions Hi, I've just bought a Felicia (1997) extremely low mileage and excellent condition. Unfortunatley on the first day of using it the central locking completely failed (worked in the morning, didn't work in the evening and hasn't since). I can open both front doors with the key no problem, but the central locking is non-existent from either front door. I've checked the fuse (OK) and bought a haynes manual to check the wiring diagram. I have a few of questions I'd appreciate some advise on please. 1. Where is the Central Locking Control unit located!!! 2. Is there a relay in the circuit because the Haynes manual doesn't indicate there is one but one of the diagnostic suggestions in the manual for failed Central Locking is "failed relay"!! 3. If there is a relay can you advise which position it sits in the rear of the fuse box as the Haynes Manual has no such diagrams! Useful eh. Lastly .... are there any suggestions on this fault please. I assume as both doors do not trigger the Central Locking mechanism that it's most likely to be the Control Box (or a relay if one exists). Is this a common fault (I've checked the other threads which don't really seem to relate to a similar problem. I'm planning to put it into a garage as the previous owner (a friend) said he'd cover the cost which is good of him - but thought I'd check here in case it's something very simple and which I can therefore save some money on. Many thanks for any help, am I glad I stumbled on this website! Paul

30-03-2003, 16:17	#3
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,033 Thanks: 45 Thanked 153 Times in 115 Posts	Looking at the electronic parts catalogue, there is an electronic control unit for the central locking but no sign of any relay. Unfortunately the catalogue does not show the location of the control unit. However it is not listed with the fuse box and it is mounted on its own holder bracket. Time to walk mother and the dog........ __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP, Jabba rear ARB, and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.01 mpg...

07-04-2003, 21:33	#6
big k Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: u.k Posts: 1,215 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	first the c/locking control unit is behind dash panel second if the c/locking has become out of sync with other doors (this happens if passenger/drivers door is only half shut when locking you need to sit in drivers seat and operate only drivers + passengers door knobs up/down simutaneosly a few times) if this doesn't work i would recommend both front door actuators are replaced. I have worked on skoda's for 15 years and have replaced hundreds of actuators and only one control unit . hope this helps __________________ how can me find a jet engine for me rapid ?

08-04-2003, 20:45	#8
big k Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: u.k Posts: 1,215 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	actuators need not neccessary be replaced in pairs, you might try disconnecting 1 to see if the other will continue working (maybee one actuator is causing conflict) but in my experience i would say both actuators (don't know if skoda would be happy me being on here giving away all there secrets!) __________________ how can me find a jet engine for me rapid ?

08-04-2003, 22:44	#10
big k Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: u.k Posts: 1,215 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	i will do my best hello fabia TDi very new to the site having a look around finding my feet have been working at skoda franchise (not saying which one) for 15 years (give or take a couple years) and have built up a wide knowledge on skoda's i first started my apprenteship on the old rear engine estelle's how times have changed i will be pleased to lend my knowledge to all that need (hence to say i don't have all the answers) as long as skoda don't get the ****! If anyone out there has a problem then feel free to ask i will do my best to get the answer for you. __________________ how can me find a jet engine for me rapid ?

29-03-2003, 21:49	#2
AndyC who...? Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 410 Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts	I had a 1996 GLX Felicia that sometimes had a simalar problem. It seemed to be caused when someone used one of the pop up buttons from inside the car, this caused the central locking to fail. Try the following - from inside the car with all the doors closed, manually push down all the buttons, now pull the drivers door button up - this may reactivate the central locking. Hope this helps AndyC

30-03-2003, 16:28	#4
paeuk Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks AndyC (and Denis), I've tried the suggestion with pushing all locks down from the inside etc., still no change unfortunately. The car was bought for my wife and I did see my son trying to lock the passenger door "manually" as my wife was trying to lock the car with the key ... so now I'm wondering whether indeed what you say was how this situation has arisen. If it's the case then it's an amazingly sensitive design to fail in this way. Also scouted around for the control unit and can't locate it. I think I'll give a Skoda a call tomorrow and see if they can make any recommendations over the phone - otherwise it's a case of booking it in I suppose. Thanks again. Paul

31-03-2003, 22:45	#5
ect Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: wisbech Posts: 87 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	having a similar problem with c/l on me octy 4x4. all doors lock using c/l botton on key but drivers door stays locked when opening . took it back to dealer & they will replace lock motor as its only 6 months old. hope you get sorted m8 regds ect

09-04-2003, 20:42	#12
big k Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: u.k Posts: 1,215 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	your welcome paul. __________________ how can me find a jet engine for me rapid ?

31-12-2004, 07:15	#13
skipcat01 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	web site Paul, Try jhmbuttco.com if it's not listedin the calalogue give them a call, they deal directly with the factory. I'm having an even bigger problem with my 96 GLX, mine the motors won't stop running and I think it is somehow tied into the alarm system. When it warms up a bit I will be tracing the entire system and if possible will put a true diagram on for you and others to use as a reference. Skip,

23-02-2005, 16:00	#14
graham.parker23 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: midlands uk Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Trying to get hold of a wiring diagram for the cruise control on my octavia 1.9tdi

23-02-2005, 19:50	#18
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,390 Thanks: 18 Thanked 571 Times in 500 Posts	My appologies.

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