Interesting comment from a US tuner

Elculo · 26-08-2004, 19:39

I asked him re Borg Warners comment about the kO3s being limited to 215,and...

My understanding was that the KO3S had a compressor stage similar to the KO4 But it's not info I reviewed from Borg Warner, who rarely releases any info. We can reliably tune these to 215 hp, any more and you are risking turbo and engine longevity. The difference between a standard KO3 and the KO4-01 is only around 30 kw anyway.Most KO4 files we have done have dyno'd in the 230-235 region

so,Des was right,any RR that gives 230 for a KO3 is very close to seriously reducing your engine and turbo,or its just bull****

Steve vRS · 26-08-2004, 19:51

Excuse my ignorance, but which turbo would be in mine, a MY03 Tavia vRS?

Cheers

Steve

**TaviaRS** · 26-08-2004, 20:01

K03S

Mine on the other hand wasn't a standard turbo

rich1068 · 26-08-2004, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elculo

or its just bull****

But didn't we sort of know this already?

***DGW*** · 26-08-2004, 21:14

So how many members' Octavias have blown their engines and/or turbos because they have been tuned beyond the safe limits of the turbo, ie 215bhp?

Steve vRS · 26-08-2004, 21:17

Or how many of us are running 215bhp when we think we are running 230? Me included!

Steve

MonkeyHanger · 26-08-2004, 21:19

Or how many people are just being given sweeteners by other tuners to "rubbish" the opposition ??

Steve vRS · 26-08-2004, 21:21

All the tuners rubbish all the other tuners!

Sure as eggs is eggs

Steve

MonkeyHanger · 26-08-2004, 21:24

Makes me wonder how many people who go to other tuners would kick up this stink if they got dyno plots showing in excess of 220 Bhp..

My guess would be somewhere in the region of.....none

**delcac** · 26-08-2004, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve vRS

Or how many of us are running 215bhp when we think we are running 230? Me included!

Steve

Or less than 215bhp.

when we think we are running 230.

like 195bhp-200bhp (with chip ONLY) which is nearer the truth

**delcac** · 26-08-2004, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGW

So how many members' Octavias have blown their engines and/or turbos because they have been tuned beyond the safe limits of the turbo, ie 215bhp?

I think the question here is how many people have been told they have 230bhp only to go on another set of rollers and get 195bhp, will this blow your engine/turbo, I think not.

ventmore · 26-08-2004, 21:42

Why does everyone get bogged down on figures. Everyone thats had a remap seems to love the way their car performs, and surely thats what counts. We should maybe start measuring performance in spm (Smiles Per Mile) instead of BHP

Cheers
Ventmore

kenny · 26-08-2004, 22:01

im not really into figures, but if for instance my car was uning 180bhp before remap and whats being suggested i may only have 195bhp or even 200. i really wont believe. because 15bhp cant make my car as fast as it is now!!
having said that im not saying my 224bhp is 100% correct, it might be lower. but it still must be quite high as my car is far faster now than when standard so im happy

MonkeyHanger · 26-08-2004, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny

my car is far faster now than when standard so im happy

And there it is in a nutshell.

Once certain people learn to stop stirring it and accept we're all happy with our various mods, we can move on and concentrate on enjoying the cars.

***Neo_VR*** · 26-08-2004, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonkeyHanger

And there it is in a nutshell.

Once certain people learn to stop stirring it and accept we're all happy with our various mods, we can move on and concentrate on enjoying the cars.

Im only getting dyno'ed on sunday because im curious... if it only gets 160.. i dont care... as it still feels f**kin fast to me

at the end of the day, its a bit of paper to say its remapped.. bit like a qualification certificates (alevel... gcse etc) .. looks good but means diddly squat in real life

rich1068 · 26-08-2004, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonkeyHanger

Or how many people are just being given sweeteners by other tuners to "rubbish" the opposition ??

What have you heard Geoff?

MonkeyHanger · 26-08-2004, 22:48

Was a question Richard, you tell me

***DGW*** · 26-08-2004, 22:53

I haven't heard any complaints yet about rolling road readings which show 'standard' engines producing better than the manufacturer's figures - in fact quite the opposite. But once the engines have been remapped, for some reason 'after' readings on the same rolling roads become highly suspect.

big k · 26-08-2004, 22:54

manufacturer's figures are given as a guaranteed minimum figure

MonkeyHanger · 26-08-2004, 22:54

Fair point Denis, and did Skoda UK not tell a certain "esteemed" member that the RS engine was only rated to circa 200Bhp?

If so, we're all going to be looking for new motors soon

26-08-2004, 19:39	#1
Elculo Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 198 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Interesting comment from a US tuner I asked him re Borg Warners comment about the kO3s being limited to 215,and... My understanding was that the KO3S had a compressor stage similar to the KO4 But it's not info I reviewed from Borg Warner, who rarely releases any info. We can reliably tune these to 215 hp, any more and you are risking turbo and engine longevity. The difference between a standard KO3 and the KO4-01 is only around 30 kw anyway.Most KO4 files we have done have dyno'd in the 230-235 region so,Des was right,any RR that gives 230 for a KO3 is very close to seriously reducing your engine and turbo,or its just bull****

26-08-2004, 19:51	#2
Steve vRS Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cumbria and Cheshire Posts: 1,143 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Excuse my ignorance, but which turbo would be in mine, a MY03 Tavia vRS? Cheers Steve __________________ From Tavia vRS 230bhp to Impreza WRX STi Version V Type R to Clio 182 Cup and now a vRS TDi Octy II in Lightning McQueen Red

26-08-2004, 20:01	#3
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,918 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	K03S Mine on the other hand wasn't a standard turbo __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

26-08-2004, 21:14	#5
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,030 Thanks: 45 Thanked 152 Times in 115 Posts	So how many members' Octavias have blown their engines and/or turbos because they have been tuned beyond the safe limits of the turbo, ie 215bhp? __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP, Jabba rear ARB, and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.01 mpg...

26-08-2004, 21:17	#6
Steve vRS Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cumbria and Cheshire Posts: 1,143 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Or how many of us are running 215bhp when we think we are running 230? Me included! Steve __________________ From Tavia vRS 230bhp to Impreza WRX STi Version V Type R to Clio 182 Cup and now a vRS TDi Octy II in Lightning McQueen Red

26-08-2004, 21:19	#7
MonkeyHanger BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Anywhere but here Posts: 8,781 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Or how many people are just being given sweeteners by other tuners to "rubbish" the opposition ??

26-08-2004, 21:21	#8
Steve vRS Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cumbria and Cheshire Posts: 1,143 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	All the tuners rubbish all the other tuners! Sure as eggs is eggs Steve __________________ From Tavia vRS 230bhp to Impreza WRX STi Version V Type R to Clio 182 Cup and now a vRS TDi Octy II in Lightning McQueen Red

26-08-2004, 21:24	#9
MonkeyHanger BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Anywhere but here Posts: 8,781 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Makes me wonder how many people who go to other tuners would kick up this stink if they got dyno plots showing in excess of 220 Bhp.. My guess would be somewhere in the region of.....none

26-08-2004, 21:42	#12
ventmore Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Middlesbrough Posts: 592 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why does everyone get bogged down on figures. Everyone thats had a remap seems to love the way their car performs, and surely thats what counts. We should maybe start measuring performance in spm (Smiles Per Mile) instead of BHP Cheers Ventmore

26-08-2004, 22:01	#13
kenny Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,795 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	im not really into figures, but if for instance my car was uning 180bhp before remap and whats being suggested i may only have 195bhp or even 200. i really wont believe. because 15bhp cant make my car as fast as it is now!! having said that im not saying my 224bhp is 100% correct, it might be lower. but it still must be quite high as my car is far faster now than when standard so im happy __________________ Ive seen a lot of good things die and im in an over emotional way So please hand me the bottle I think im lonely now, and please give me direction I think the hurt has set in, and I don’t feel nothing

26-08-2004, 22:48	#17
MonkeyHanger BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Anywhere but here Posts: 8,781 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Was a question Richard, you tell me

26-08-2004, 22:53	#18
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,030 Thanks: 45 Thanked 152 Times in 115 Posts	I haven't heard any complaints yet about rolling road readings which show 'standard' engines producing better than the manufacturer's figures - in fact quite the opposite. But once the engines have been remapped, for some reason 'after' readings on the same rolling roads become highly suspect. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP, Jabba rear ARB, and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.01 mpg... Last edited by DGW; 26-08-2004 at 22:55.

26-08-2004, 22:54	#19
big k Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: u.k Posts: 1,215 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	manufacturer's figures are given as a guaranteed minimum figure __________________ how can me find a jet engine for me rapid ?

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