KWs Fitted

**TaviaRS** · 02-07-2003, 13:13

OK, at long last my suspension has been fitted

So what do I think of it?

That's easy; by far the best suspension I've ever had!

Firstly, mine is non-standard V3. It has linear springs rather than the usual progressive, which does have an effect.

Initially it feels oversprung, due to the linear springs but when you push it, it feels spot on.

Turn in is immeasurably better than it was before. The ride dynamics are very similar to the standard car (see end of post as to why) until it is subjected to load ie as Ian said about the Jabba remap, like standard only more so.

Just cruising, you would assume that it was completely standard however, come to a bend and yeeeehaaaa its a racing car, no roll, really sharp turn in absolutely composed. I love it! Best mod so far to my car!

Oh and they look very nice, lovely stainless steel body, purple spring seats and yellow springs!

OK now some info (this will be boring

):

I spend Sunday with the guys from KW in Germany. They told me all about how the kits are made, developed and tested. Possibly boring to most,but very interesting to me (sad git of the month award over here please).

The kits are developed specifically for the type of car and the anticipated driver type eg they make kits for the Fabia, Octavia and Superb. These all have different driver profiles, with Fabia drivers being seen as young and possibly harder driving than Superb owners who are more likely to be more motorway cruiser types (with Octavia drivers in between). This means that they will make the Fabia kit perform differently to Superb kit.

Firstly the standard dampers and springs are put on a chasis dyno and all the measurements are recorded (in terms of high and low frequency bump and rebound settings). The new ones are then fabricated using these as a baseline, so that the uprated ones will perform in a similar manner (its not just a case of up the bump by 10%, up the rebound by 10% as that may cause imbalance, and don't forget the driver profiling). Springs are then matched to the new damper settings. It isn't a case of just drop it 10-20mm and make it stiffer, they are actually matched.

All their kits are TUV approved and homologated for the specific car (ie they will last and are a perfect match for the car). The materials are spot on eg the damper housing is stainless steel. I asked about this and how long it would last with our delightful climate and prediliction for so much salt on the roads. The way it is tested is to be blasted with a strong salt solution for the equivalent of about 30,000 miles. It is also subjected to blasting with other substances. The piston rod is the strongest steel available and is supposedly unmarkable. They test this by clamping it top and bottom, fitting a nice tight pair of mole grips and then hitting them with a lump hammer

Theirs do not mark! I didn't believe this, so we tried it when fitting mine on Monday night

No marks on mine

As I said, best mod I have done to date on my car.

SkodiRS · 02-07-2003, 13:20

Top job Jon!

Does the new suspension cure the RS being knocked off line when hitting a bump/pot hole mid corner?

I think the standard set-up has linear springs(??) what's the effect of having progressive springs?

Cheers.
Adrian.

Dutch4x4 · 02-07-2003, 13:31

Quote:

Originally posted by TaviaRS in this post
OK now some info (this will be boring ):

Boring? It's a riveting read!

Especially the part where the pre-installation product testing is exposed as an excuse for simple and mindless iron bashing.

Anyone up for a Society against Cruel Treatment of Auto Parts?

**TaviaRS** · 02-07-2003, 13:32

Linears are a flat rate, regardless of load. ie 300lb all the way through their compression cycle. Can be bouncy when lightly loaded.

Progressives will start at say 200lb and as they compress they get stiffer, say 300lb at the end of their compression cycle. Progressives are less bouncy as on initial loading or when lightly loaded they are a "lighter" spring.

Jon

Stuart_J · 02-07-2003, 13:45

Tavia,
Glad to see another KW satisfied customer
Aparently acording to "your boss" my fourth leg arrived yesterday so will collect early next week & get it booked in, also Brakes ready & Wheels in, Wheeeeeeee Modding at last

stuart

redbaron · 02-07-2003, 18:08

mine are here soon too... but im poor so only have varient 2....

***ColinD*** · 03-07-2003, 13:51

Save bumping my thread; just been in to have the springs rotated so that the tail ends on the outside edge as per Mr KW engineers suggestion.

It's done the job! No more noise, but going to give her a dam good run tonight to make sure!

yehhaaaaa right where do I get a sports cat burbler from..

**TaviaRS** · 03-07-2003, 14:08

What? There's an attachment you can get that makes the car louder? Where can I get one?

Pitiful at the moment, about the same volume as a Tuscan

Tavia4x4 · 03-07-2003, 14:25

As lovely as your's sounds Jon, the tuscan is nicer.. just deal with it.

**TaviaRS** · 03-07-2003, 14:28

Didn 't say nicer, just similar in volume

redbaron · 03-07-2003, 14:41

i seriously doubt its as loud as the cerb we took out?

redbaron · 03-07-2003, 14:42

tusc is much louder now reving to 7500!

Stuart_J · 03-07-2003, 15:17

Jon does it beat 104 Db on tickover ???????

Colin, good to hear, collecting mine tuesday or wednesday, will give you a call after

Disco@Impreziv · 04-07-2003, 19:33

After following me today I'm sure Jon can verify that even the Tuscan and Cerb are quiet compared to some

**delcac** · 04-07-2003, 21:26

Quote:

Originally posted by Disco@Impreziv in this post
After following me today I'm sure Jon can verify that even the Tuscan and Cerb are quiet compared to some

I can conur.

02-07-2003, 13:13	#1
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,918 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	KWs Fitted OK, at long last my suspension has been fitted So what do I think of it? That's easy; by far the best suspension I've ever had! Firstly, mine is non-standard V3. It has linear springs rather than the usual progressive, which does have an effect. Initially it feels oversprung, due to the linear springs but when you push it, it feels spot on. Turn in is immeasurably better than it was before. The ride dynamics are very similar to the standard car (see end of post as to why) until it is subjected to load ie as Ian said about the Jabba remap, like standard only more so. Just cruising, you would assume that it was completely standard however, come to a bend and yeeeehaaaa its a racing car, no roll, really sharp turn in absolutely composed. I love it! Best mod so far to my car! Oh and they look very nice, lovely stainless steel body, purple spring seats and yellow springs! OK now some info (this will be boring ): I spend Sunday with the guys from KW in Germany. They told me all about how the kits are made, developed and tested. Possibly boring to most,but very interesting to me (sad git of the month award over here please). The kits are developed specifically for the type of car and the anticipated driver type eg they make kits for the Fabia, Octavia and Superb. These all have different driver profiles, with Fabia drivers being seen as young and possibly harder driving than Superb owners who are more likely to be more motorway cruiser types (with Octavia drivers in between). This means that they will make the Fabia kit perform differently to Superb kit. Firstly the standard dampers and springs are put on a chasis dyno and all the measurements are recorded (in terms of high and low frequency bump and rebound settings). The new ones are then fabricated using these as a baseline, so that the uprated ones will perform in a similar manner (its not just a case of up the bump by 10%, up the rebound by 10% as that may cause imbalance, and don't forget the driver profiling). Springs are then matched to the new damper settings. It isn't a case of just drop it 10-20mm and make it stiffer, they are actually matched. All their kits are TUV approved and homologated for the specific car (ie they will last and are a perfect match for the car). The materials are spot on eg the damper housing is stainless steel. I asked about this and how long it would last with our delightful climate and prediliction for so much salt on the roads. The way it is tested is to be blasted with a strong salt solution for the equivalent of about 30,000 miles. It is also subjected to blasting with other substances. The piston rod is the strongest steel available and is supposedly unmarkable. They test this by clamping it top and bottom, fitting a nice tight pair of mole grips and then hitting them with a lump hammer Theirs do not mark! I didn't believe this, so we tried it when fitting mine on Monday night No marks on mine As I said, best mod I have done to date on my car. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

02-07-2003, 13:32	#4
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,918 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Linears are a flat rate, regardless of load. ie 300lb all the way through their compression cycle. Can be bouncy when lightly loaded. Progressives will start at say 200lb and as they compress they get stiffer, say 300lb at the end of their compression cycle. Progressives are less bouncy as on initial loading or when lightly loaded they are a "lighter" spring. Jon __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

02-07-2003, 13:45	#5
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,555 Thanks: 37 Thanked 79 Times in 72 Posts	Tavia, Glad to see another KW satisfied customer Aparently acording to "your boss" my fourth leg arrived yesterday so will collect early next week & get it booked in, also Brakes ready & Wheels in, Wheeeeeeee Modding at last stuart __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

02-07-2003, 18:08	#6
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,275 Thanks: 9 Thanked 52 Times in 47 Posts	mine are here soon too... but im poor so only have varient 2.... __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

03-07-2003, 13:51	#7
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,206 Thanks: 18 Thanked 137 Times in 69 Posts	Save bumping my thread; just been in to have the springs rotated so that the tail ends on the outside edge as per Mr KW engineers suggestion. It's done the job! No more noise, but going to give her a dam good run tonight to make sure! yehhaaaaa right where do I get a sports cat burbler from.. __________________ ColinD - 97/100 Limited Edition Octavia vRS < For Sale www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner. E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

02-07-2003, 13:20	#2
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Top job Jon! Does the new suspension cure the RS being knocked off line when hitting a bump/pot hole mid corner? I think the standard set-up has linear springs(??) what's the effect of having progressive springs? Cheers. Adrian.

03-07-2003, 14:08	#8
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,918 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	What? There's an attachment you can get that makes the car louder? Where can I get one? Pitiful at the moment, about the same volume as a Tuscan __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

03-07-2003, 14:25	#9
Tavia4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: J5 M61 Posts: 5,294 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	As lovely as your's sounds Jon, the tuscan is nicer.. just deal with it. __________________ Ian __________________ Nice to be important, but more important to be nice...

03-07-2003, 14:28	#10
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,918 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Didn 't say nicer, just similar in volume __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

03-07-2003, 14:41	#11
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,275 Thanks: 9 Thanked 52 Times in 47 Posts	i seriously doubt its as loud as the cerb we took out? __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

03-07-2003, 14:42	#12
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,275 Thanks: 9 Thanked 52 Times in 47 Posts	tusc is much louder now reving to 7500! __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

03-07-2003, 15:17	#13
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,555 Thanks: 37 Thanked 79 Times in 72 Posts	Jon does it beat 104 Db on tickover ??????? Colin, good to hear, collecting mine tuesday or wednesday, will give you a call after __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

04-07-2003, 19:33	#14
Disco@Impreziv Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Location: Essex Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	After following me today I'm sure Jon can verify that even the Tuscan and Cerb are quiet compared to some __________________ Naughty Scoob specialist, helping develop the thinking mans performance car!

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