Lsd For Octavia?

redbaron · 09-07-2003, 14:18

who makes one? ive been told quiafe might.. but i dont know what gearbox/diff my octavia rs has as std? help?

Quinten · 09-07-2003, 14:22

LSD? I can supply you some of Amsterdam's finest, but LSD might be a bit difficult

Q.

fen_l&k · 09-07-2003, 14:24

Spot the Dutchman!!

redbaron · 09-07-2003, 15:55

comeon guys i was serious... for once

Dutch4x4 · 09-07-2003, 16:03

You mean something that will equal the Torsen diff underneath an Integra Type-R?

redbaron · 09-07-2003, 16:30

along those lines.. so i can leave 2 black lines not 1

or more importantly put the power down cleanly...

***DGW*** · 09-07-2003, 19:24

The gearbox type is listed on the vehicle data sticker, eg the gearbox code/description for my 4X4 is a FEX.

You can find a link to Quaife products here.

DaveU · 09-07-2003, 19:29

The guys on VWVortex are always going on about Quaife and lsds - have a look on there

**TaviaRS** · 09-07-2003, 21:24

Yes Quaife do 1 for the Octavia, 1 of the guys there has one fitted to his RS. They won't actually fit it for you, you take it to a garage down the road who rip out, sorry remove, your gearbox, deliver it the 1/4 mile to Quaife who then weld in your new diff and send it back for the other guys to fit.

Ever though of Racelogic? Same sort of price (£600ish) and removable, unlike the Quaife.

Jon

**delcac** · 09-07-2003, 22:15

Paul

Yes Quaife do a diff. for the Octy, here's a few things you should know:

Quaife ATB Diff. £525.00+VAT
Fitting kit £92.00+VAT
Labour to fit diff. £125.00+VAT
Labour to
remove box £150.00+VAT
By Road & Race Transmissions (down the road from Quaife)

Please note, If the centre pin/clip is not welded in place it may come loose and ruin the gear box.

Hope this helps Des

redbaron · 10-07-2003, 00:07

Can the racelogic do electronically (using the abs i assume) what the quaife does manually?

will it actually handle like its got an lsd?

**TaviaRS** · 10-07-2003, 08:01

Customer:- I am thinking of fitting an LSD, will Traction control still be of benefit, and will it stop the LSD from working ?

Answer:- Our system is designed to allow a small amount of wheelspin because that is the fastest way to accelerate. The same is true for ABS, it allows a small amount of wheel slip to get the most braking force. Therefore it works after the LSD has come into play, and not before. The Traction Control system will not increase mechanical grip, only LSD's and tyres will do this. What it does it to maximise the grip you already have. Therefore the ideal combination would be an LSD and Traction Control, because once both wheels are spinning, the LSD is of no further use, and the Traction Control comes into play. In acceleration times, an LSD will give about the same improvement as Traction Control, but will make the car more 'nervous' as when both wheels spin, the loss in grip is double that of when one tyre loses grip.

Traction Control £645 +VAT

Launch Control Not sure of the price of this one

Hope that helps

Quinten · 10-07-2003, 08:23

Wow! Had no idea what LSD was, but reading the Racelogic website, I'm pretty sure the trip is worth it

The pricelist can be found here: http://www.racelogic.co.uk/Traction%...ice%20List.pdf .

Q.

Loukas · 10-07-2003, 10:41

Tavia,

How we integrate the traction control system from Recelogic to our cars?
What will happen to ASR? It is supposed that ASR works similar to Traction control with the difference that ASR is tuned for safety and not racing acceleration.

An LSD installation has many advantages because is working mechanically.
Does any of you guys has experience for variable LSD's (where you can adjust the diff engagement).
I think Quaife ATB is an 20-60% LSD?
Any ideas on cornering (with or without ASR), etc?

Finally i think it's a great mod but expensive one

Eric_R · 10-07-2003, 12:41

No, the quaife is not an LSD. It is a torsen (torque sensing) diff.
I think the racelogic system requires a LSD or torsen diff to work, nobody
would add a system like that to a car with an open diff.

DaveU · 10-07-2003, 12:50

My mate had the RaceLogic traction control fitted to his RX7 - i think the only requirements it has are that you have ABS. I dont think he ever lost the rear end - even when trying to!

His starts were well impressive also.

otheos · 10-07-2003, 13:01

Quote:

I dont think he ever lost the rear end - even when trying to!

...where's the fun in this?

People replace their open diffs with lsd's to make sure once you lose the rear end, you got something to get it back (and flip the other way

).

Still such a TC would make driving a car a lot easier, but it'd definitely be not fun. ;(

**TaviaRS** · 10-07-2003, 13:09

Fast, unfortunately, is not always equal to fun.

The racelogic doesn't require you to have a diff fitted, it just happens that it works even better if there is one.

otheos · 10-07-2003, 14:10

Agreed. I was referring to rear wheel drive cars, and thus fun is a synonymous to... sideways drifting

For trackdays, well things are different.

Eric_R · 10-07-2003, 15:17

Our ASR system is the same type as the racelogic, only programmed for different goals.
And the EDL is like an LSD at low speeds.
For those how does not want either the ABS module can be recoded by vag-com to be
ABS only.

09-07-2003, 14:18	#1
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,242 Thanks: 9 Thanked 49 Times in 44 Posts	Lsd For Octavia? who makes one? ive been told quiafe might.. but i dont know what gearbox/diff my octavia rs has as std? help? __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

09-07-2003, 14:22	#2
Quinten playing dadsie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,013 Thanks: 16 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts	LSD? I can supply you some of Amsterdam's finest, but LSD might be a bit difficult Q. __________________ Awooga!!!

09-07-2003, 15:55	#4
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,242 Thanks: 9 Thanked 49 Times in 44 Posts	comeon guys i was serious... for once __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

09-07-2003, 16:03	#5
Dutch4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: kicking up feet in the Formula Stealth paddock Posts: 3,153 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You mean something that will equal the Torsen diff underneath an Integra Type-R? __________________ Mrs D's Briskoda: Octavia 4x4 turbo (2003), Oettinger 210, Koni Sport, MAD Sportive, Dotz Le Mans 17", Bridgestone Potenza S-03, sports interior. And a Fiesta ST (2006) for myself...

09-07-2003, 16:30	#6
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,242 Thanks: 9 Thanked 49 Times in 44 Posts	along those lines.. so i can leave 2 black lines not 1 or more importantly put the power down cleanly... __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

09-07-2003, 14:24	#3
fen_l&k Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Location: Deepest Fenland Posts: 2,559 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Spot the Dutchman!!

09-07-2003, 19:24	#7
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,002 Thanks: 41 Thanked 148 Times in 112 Posts	The gearbox type is listed on the vehicle data sticker, eg the gearbox code/description for my 4X4 is a FEX. You can find a link to Quaife products here. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP, Jabba rear ARB, and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.01 mpg... Last edited by DGW; 09-07-2003 at 19:27.

09-07-2003, 19:29	#8
DaveU VIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South, then East a little bit. Posts: 2,455 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The guys on VWVortex are always going on about Quaife and lsds - have a look on there __________________ Dave Dave's new runaround ^ The Beast: 2001-2007 (now re-homed). 5 1/2 years of frightening the living daylights out of other road users and ashaming various high end cars.

09-07-2003, 21:24	#9
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,918 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Yes Quaife do 1 for the Octavia, 1 of the guys there has one fitted to his RS. They won't actually fit it for you, you take it to a garage down the road who rip out, sorry remove, your gearbox, deliver it the 1/4 mile to Quaife who then weld in your new diff and send it back for the other guys to fit. Ever though of Racelogic? Same sort of price (£600ish) and removable, unlike the Quaife. Jon __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

09-07-2003, 22:15	#10
delcac Still a **** Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chatham, Kent Posts: 7,077 Thanks: 12 Thanked 60 Times in 46 Posts	Paul Yes Quaife do a diff. for the Octy, here's a few things you should know: Quaife ATB Diff. £525.00+VAT Fitting kit £92.00+VAT Labour to fit diff. £125.00+VAT Labour to remove box £150.00+VAT By Road & Race Transmissions (down the road from Quaife) Please note, If the centre pin/clip is not welded in place it may come loose and ruin the gear box. Hope this helps Des __________________ The Red Devil

10-07-2003, 00:07	#11
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,242 Thanks: 9 Thanked 49 Times in 44 Posts	Can the racelogic do electronically (using the abs i assume) what the quaife does manually? will it actually handle like its got an lsd? __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

10-07-2003, 08:01	#12
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,918 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Customer:- I am thinking of fitting an LSD, will Traction control still be of benefit, and will it stop the LSD from working ? Answer:- Our system is designed to allow a small amount of wheelspin because that is the fastest way to accelerate. The same is true for ABS, it allows a small amount of wheel slip to get the most braking force. Therefore it works after the LSD has come into play, and not before. The Traction Control system will not increase mechanical grip, only LSD's and tyres will do this. What it does it to maximise the grip you already have. Therefore the ideal combination would be an LSD and Traction Control, because once both wheels are spinning, the LSD is of no further use, and the Traction Control comes into play. In acceleration times, an LSD will give about the same improvement as Traction Control, but will make the car more 'nervous' as when both wheels spin, the loss in grip is double that of when one tyre loses grip. Traction Control £645 +VAT Launch Control Not sure of the price of this one Hope that helps __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

10-07-2003, 08:23	#13
Quinten playing dadsie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,013 Thanks: 16 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts	Wow! Had no idea what LSD was, but reading the Racelogic website, I'm pretty sure the trip is worth it The pricelist can be found here: http://www.racelogic.co.uk/Traction%...ice%20List.pdf . Q. __________________ Awooga!!!

10-07-2003, 10:41	#14
Loukas Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Athens Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tavia, How we integrate the traction control system from Recelogic to our cars? What will happen to ASR? It is supposed that ASR works similar to Traction control with the difference that ASR is tuned for safety and not racing acceleration. An LSD installation has many advantages because is working mechanically. Does any of you guys has experience for variable LSD's (where you can adjust the diff engagement). I think Quaife ATB is an 20-60% LSD? Any ideas on cornering (with or without ASR), etc? Finally i think it's a great mod but expensive one

10-07-2003, 12:41	#15
Eric_R Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stockholm Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No, the quaife is not an LSD. It is a torsen (torque sensing) diff. I think the racelogic system requires a LSD or torsen diff to work, nobody would add a system like that to a car with an open diff.

10-07-2003, 12:50	#16
DaveU VIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South, then East a little bit. Posts: 2,455 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My mate had the RaceLogic traction control fitted to his RX7 - i think the only requirements it has are that you have ABS. I dont think he ever lost the rear end - even when trying to! His starts were well impressive also. __________________ Dave Dave's new runaround ^ The Beast: 2001-2007 (now re-homed). 5 1/2 years of frightening the living daylights out of other road users and ashaming various high end cars.

10-07-2003, 13:09	#18
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,918 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Fast, unfortunately, is not always equal to fun. The racelogic doesn't require you to have a diff fitted, it just happens that it works even better if there is one. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

10-07-2003, 14:10	#19
otheos Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ath-GR Posts: 172 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Agreed. I was referring to rear wheel drive cars, and thus fun is a synonymous to... sideways drifting For trackdays, well things are different. __________________ Octavia Combi 1.8T 4x4 ABT

10-07-2003, 15:17	#20
Eric_R Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stockholm Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Our ASR system is the same type as the racelogic, only programmed for different goals. And the EDL is like an LSD at low speeds. For those how does not want either the ABS module can be recoded by vag-com to be ABS only.

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