Rolling road second opinion???

joeybig01 · 07-05-2008, 16:08

Hey everybody, I got my car rolling roaded a few weeks back and i'm not 100% happy with the results...

I have a 2005 fabia ASZ engine with the following engine mods:
a revo remap, pd160 air intake, forge fmic, allard egr blanking kit.

I made 144.5 bhp at the wheels and 275 pounds foot of torque at the wheels too. Does this sound about right?

TrevorB33 · 07-05-2008, 16:18

horsepower at the wheels sounds about right but the torque seems low to me for a mapped car, im sure a fellow mapped fabia owner will speak up

Fezboy · 07-05-2008, 18:05

Where did you go for the RR?

jasc1988 · 07-05-2008, 18:27

doesnt sound too bad, most quote the flywheel figure (guestimate) mines made 173bhp and over 300 lb-ft but dont talk much notice of an rr as there never accurate

joeybig01 · 08-05-2008, 11:13

I went to atspeed racing rayleigh. chers chaps

Johnny50 · 08-05-2008, 11:15

If you've got the spare cash, then go to another RR for a second opinion.

Agreed that power is about right, but i personally would've wanted a bit more torque than that.

If you're happy with the way it drives though, then i wouldn't worry.

ap0gee · 08-05-2008, 11:20

Is it a custom map? Did they tone down the torque to protect your OEM clutch?

Fezboy · 08-05-2008, 11:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeybig01

I went to atspeed racing rayleigh. chers chaps

You could always try Engine Advantages

They are quite good and give a true reading

faboka vrs · 08-05-2008, 11:52

Figures differ from dyno to dyno. For a Revo remap on Awesome-gti's rollers I would expect 160+bhp at the wheels but like I say figures differ from dyno to dyno. My standard car makes 125bhp at the wheels at its last dyno session at awesome.

If it drives alright then I wouldnt worry about the numbers.

KenONeill · 08-05-2008, 13:10

I don't know the rollers in question, but the figures look plausible for wheels figures rather than flywheel guesstimates. What gear was that in?

joeybig01 · 10-05-2008, 10:43

the thing is that the rolling road setup they have is brand new, and i wasn't 100% sure of the way they carried out the rolling road.

For instance you watch a rolling road on youtube etc and the vehicle is allowed to run down on the rolling road. But the guy doing it was braking and making it lock up etc.

Fezboy · 10-05-2008, 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeybig01

But the guy doing it was braking and making it lock up etc.

KenONeill · 12-05-2008, 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeybig01

the thing is that the rolling road setup they have is brand new, and i wasn't 100% sure of the way they carried out the rolling road.

For instance you watch a rolling road on youtube etc and the vehicle is allowed to run down on the rolling road. But the guy doing it was braking and making it lock up etc.

That's just plain wrong. The reason for doing the run-down is that that establishes transmission and tyre losses, which are where you get the base data for the wheels to flywheel corrections from.
Of course, that doesn't change my opinion that flywheel figures from a RR dyno are guesstimates, but there is some sort of science behind them.

badger5 · 14-05-2008, 09:27

what make of dyno?
the operator sounds like he did'nt have a clue tho

UncleRic · 14-05-2008, 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeybig01

the guy doing it was braking and making it lock up etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fezboy

+1

**Makefish** · 14-05-2008, 11:13

What were you hoping for as those figures don't look too bad to me

I think you would be better to try and get a comparison against other cars, a RR day in Shoot Out mde would be ideal, then you would have a better understanding as to how your car compares.

joeybig01 · 14-05-2008, 17:21

Yeah I'm not completely happy.

I was hoping for 155-160 and was hoping for over 300 lbs ft of torque

dervdoctor · 27-05-2008, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by faboka vrs

Figures differ from dyno to dyno. For a Revo remap on Awesome-gti's rollers I would expect 160+bhp at the wheels but like I say figures differ from dyno to dyno. My standard car makes 125bhp at the wheels at its last dyno session at awesome.

If it drives alright then I wouldnt worry about the numbers.

What did the dynojet dyno say your power at the flywheel was?? As 125 @ Wheels seems high, you normally see about 20% losses.

We had 184 @ wheels and 205 at the fly on my mates dyno on a VRS fabia the other week.

07-05-2008, 16:08	#1
joeybig01 Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 33	Rolling road second opinion??? Hey everybody, I got my car rolling roaded a few weeks back and i'm not 100% happy with the results... I have a 2005 fabia ASZ engine with the following engine mods: a revo remap, pd160 air intake, forge fmic, allard egr blanking kit. I made 144.5 bhp at the wheels and 275 pounds foot of torque at the wheels too. Does this sound about right?

07-05-2008, 16:18	#2
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jasc1988 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 2,139	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? doesnt sound too bad, most quote the flywheel figure (guestimate) mines made 173bhp and over 300 lb-ft but dont talk much notice of an rr as there never accurate __________________ 173.5 bhp ... Czech Mate

08-05-2008, 11:13	#5
joeybig01 Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 33	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? I went to atspeed racing rayleigh. chers chaps

08-05-2008, 11:15	#6
Johnny50 Johnny Bravo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,279	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? If you've got the spare cash, then go to another RR for a second opinion. Agreed that power is about right, but i personally would've wanted a bit more torque than that. If you're happy with the way it drives though, then i wouldn't worry.

08-05-2008, 11:20	#7
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08-05-2008, 11:52	#9
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 5,744	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? Figures differ from dyno to dyno. For a Revo remap on Awesome-gti's rollers I would expect 160+bhp at the wheels but like I say figures differ from dyno to dyno. My standard car makes 125bhp at the wheels at its last dyno session at awesome. If it drives alright then I wouldnt worry about the numbers. __________________ John Its small, black, gets laughed at, makes 125bhp at the wrong wheels, does 50mpg and makes a cracking Sponge Cake

08-05-2008, 13:10	#10
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 8,310	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? I don't know the rollers in question, but the figures look plausible for wheels figures rather than flywheel guesstimates. What gear was that in?

10-05-2008, 10:43	#11
joeybig01 Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 33	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? the thing is that the rolling road setup they have is brand new, and i wasn't 100% sure of the way they carried out the rolling road. For instance you watch a rolling road on youtube etc and the vehicle is allowed to run down on the rolling road. But the guy doing it was braking and making it lock up etc.

14-05-2008, 09:27	#14
badger5 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: nr Glos,UK Posts: 498	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? what make of dyno? the operator sounds like he did'nt have a clue tho __________________ 517bhp / 378lbft SEAT Ibiza Badger Mobile

14-05-2008, 11:13	#16
Makefish BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 7,680	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? What were you hoping for as those figures don't look too bad to me I think you would be better to try and get a comparison against other cars, a RR day in Shoot Out mde would be ideal, then you would have a better understanding as to how your car compares. __________________ Next Briskoda National Event: TRAX 2008 - 7th September at Silverstone Black magic Octy II vRS MY2008 with Maxidot ~ Xenons ~ Cruise ~ Light Assist ~ Dual Zone Climate Control ~ Rain Sensing Wipers ~ MFD2 Satellite Navigation ~ VAG Bluetooth Phone Kit ~ Milltek Exhaust with 2.75" Downpipe ~ EVOM Ram Air Intake ~ Nuespeed Shortshifter ~ Eibach Rear ARB ~ Koni FSD Dampers ~ Eibach Springs ~ Forge Front Mounted Twintercooler ~ Nuespeed Hi-Flo Intercooler Pipe ~ Nuespeed Hi-Flo Turbo Outlet Pipe ~ Eurojet PCV Valve ~ Forge DV ~Autotech Hi Volume Fuel Pump ~ Nuespeed Torque Arm Insert ~ NGK Iridium Spark plugs ~ REVO Stage II+ Software ~ Matt Black Viper Stripes!

14-05-2008, 17:21	#17
joeybig01 Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 33	Re: Rolling road second opinion??? Yeah I'm not completely happy. I was hoping for 155-160 and was hoping for over 300 lbs ft of torque

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