Loeb has made history

yann · 02-12-2007, 19:19

Sebastien Loeb has just made history! He has won the WRC for the 4th time in a row!! He's definitely one of the greatest drivers of all times, and with Gronholm retiring, who can stop him to win a few more?! Come on Seb, you're the best!

Vive la France!

yann · 02-12-2007, 19:34

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yann · 02-12-2007, 20:47

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ScoobyChris · 02-12-2007, 23:35

Well done, Seb! An exciting championship and my money's on Hirvonnen as one to watch next year - he certainly showed he's got the pace

Hopefully Solberg will return to form next year too...

Chris

**GAFF** · 03-12-2007, 01:06

Well done to Seb alright, although I really was shouting for Marcus...being his last outing.
Its a while since Seb was put under that much pressure for the Championship...which is great for the sport.

Comeon Mikko

Decron · 03-12-2007, 01:28

Great acheivement and all that

Shame he bores the t1t5 off me, it's like Schumacher all over again.

octav.ed · 03-12-2007, 01:30

yea. congrats...

Fluffy Bunny · 03-12-2007, 12:21

Loeb is the rallying equivalent of Schumacher but with a personality that Schumacher never had.

Hirvonen spent most of the year being kept on a leash so expect more wins next year.

The rumour mill is quite strong with respect to Ford for next year.

Hirvonen and Latvala for BP Ford
Solberg snr and Gigi Galli for Stobbart Ford.
Wilson, Villagra, Clarke and Perez-Companc for Munchies Ford.

yann · 03-12-2007, 19:37

I'm sure that Seb can win a few more WRC, but I don't know (and neither does he I suppose) how long it will be before he wants to try something else like Formula 1. He should stay in rallying for a few more years. Hopefully
Hirvonen will be a good opponent for Seb next year, but I don't think he can challenge Loeb for a WRC title. Maybe in a couple of years'time. It was great to watch Marcus and Seb fighting so hard against each other, this has been full of "fighting spirit"!

Mr Squidian · 03-12-2007, 20:57

TBH rallying has lost its affect on me a little bit,
Back in 2002 etc. it was britians fighting for the title.
I did however love the little tribute that jimmy and dereck put up for colin on last weekends wales rally gb.
Talk about lump in throat!

**GAFF** · 04-12-2007, 00:59

Wow Solberg for Ford, him and Atkinson are seriously pi$$ed off with that Scooby. Hirvonen shouldn't be too far off Leob. Hopefully Latvala can start finishing events when he gets into good scoring positions, he is quick.

ScoobyChris · 04-12-2007, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAFF

Wow Solberg for Ford

I think that's Henning Solberg. Petter is contracted for a couple more years to Subaru IIRC

Chris

Fluffy Bunny · 04-12-2007, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAFF

Wow Solberg for Ford, him and Atkinson are seriously pi$$ed off with that Scooby. Hirvonen shouldn't be too far off Leob. Hopefully Latvala can start finishing events when he gets into good scoring positions, he is quick.

Henning Solberg as Chris says - Petter signed a new deal this year with Subaru I think for another two years.

Mr Squidian · 04-12-2007, 13:52

The subaru has the potential its just not getting used to its fullest.

Fluffy Bunny · 04-12-2007, 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Squidian

The subaru has the potential its just not getting used to its fullest.

I think the problem with the current subaru is it's just too big - hence them using the hatchback next year (or the year after).

If you think about it all the current WRC cars, focus, C4, SX-4 are all smaller cars than they used to use (think zsara, celica etc). If I recall correctly they have to be 4m or bigger in length.

KenONeill · 04-12-2007, 16:16

Min length 4m, but if you have something you want to use that's just a shade too short, you just need to make some with bigger bumpers, like the Pug 206 WRCs.

ScoobyChris · 04-12-2007, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunny

I think the problem with the current subaru is it's just too big - hence them using the hatchback next year (or the year after).

The other interesting thing in the French cars put out 315bhp compared to the Subaru's 300bhp. Both weigh the same. Not sure how that's allowed

Chris

Fluffy Bunny · 04-12-2007, 16:34

I thought WRC were limited to 300BHP - have to trawl through the regs on FIA site to see if that is right.

KenONeill · 04-12-2007, 16:41

I think the restrictions are more sort of:-
This size turbo, this size air restrictor, this capacity...
If you have better engine men, you still get more power.

Fluffy Bunny · 04-12-2007, 16:42

I know they have a restrictor plate in the turbo - unless it's a Toyota in which case they 'forget' to fit one - allegedly.

KenONeill · 04-12-2007, 16:59

IME/O all a restrictor plate does in a more or less unrestricted formula like WRC is mean that the engineers spend way longer doing things like aerodynamic profile conrods (yes really) to reduce pumping losses, and smoothing out the rest of the intake tract to minimise pressure loss across the plate (well, as you say, unless you're Toyota

).

**GAFF** · 04-12-2007, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunny

Henning Solberg as Chris says - Petter signed a new deal this year with Subaru I think for another two years.

, makes sense now, when he mentioned senior I automatically thought about Petter (must be because he's been around so long).

Mr Squidian · 04-12-2007, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunny

I think the problem with the current subaru is it's just too big - hence them using the hatchback next year (or the year after).

If you think about it all the current WRC cars, focus, C4, SX-4 are all smaller cars than they used to use (think zsara, celica etc). If I recall correctly they have to be 4m or bigger in length.

Yeah its like skoda using the octavia, that was a very big car.
look how much they improved when they introduced the fabia, not a championship winning improvment, but a very good one never the less

KenONeill · 04-12-2007, 17:30

The Octy would be less of an issue in real rallies, like a proper Coronation Safari, or a Lombard RAC.

ScoobyChris · 04-12-2007, 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunny

I thought WRC were limited to 300BHP - have to trawl through the regs on FIA site to see if that is right.

Me too but when I was at WRC Ireland in the accompanying programme they had specs of all the WRC cars. I'll dig them out when I get home....

Chris

02-12-2007, 19:19	#1
yann Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 56 Members Car: fabia vRS Special Edition Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Loeb has made history Sebastien Loeb has just made history! He has won the WRC for the 4th time in a row!! He's definitely one of the greatest drivers of all times, and with Gronholm retiring, who can stop him to win a few more?! Come on Seb, you're the best! Vive la France! __________________

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ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,193 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 15 Thanked 335 Times in 289 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history Well done, Seb! An exciting championship and my money's on Hirvonnen as one to watch next year - he certainly showed he's got the pace Hopefully Solberg will return to form next year too... Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

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GAFF Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 5,897 Members Car: Octavia II vRS Thanks: 29 Thanked 71 Times in 69 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history Well done to Seb alright, although I really was shouting for Marcus...being his last outing. Its a while since Seb was put under that much pressure for the Championship...which is great for the sport. Comeon Mikko __________________ GAFF Briskoda Ireland Events, Meets & Pictures.....Race Blue Octavia MkII vRS.....Old Octavia MkI vRS

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Decron It's all good Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cwmbran - South Wales Posts: 3,558 Members Car: Vroomster Thanks: 66 Thanked 262 Times in 189 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history Great acheivement and all that Shame he bores the t1t5 off me, it's like Schumacher all over again.

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octav.ed Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: belfast Posts: 3,845 Members Car: skoda octavia tdi 130 bhp [170] Thanks: 98 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history yea. congrats... __________________ when i die, bury me upside down so the world can kiss my a.s.s "I spent all my money on cars, booze and women - the rest I just wasted" - George Best. I was so poor growing up...If I wasn't born a boy..I'd have nothing to play with. -Rodney Dangerfield

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Fluffy Bunny Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London/Aberdeen Posts: 533 Members Car: Maserati Quattroporte V8 Sport GT Thanks: 10 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history Loeb is the rallying equivalent of Schumacher but with a personality that Schumacher never had. Hirvonen spent most of the year being kept on a leash so expect more wins next year. The rumour mill is quite strong with respect to Ford for next year. Hirvonen and Latvala for BP Ford Solberg snr and Gigi Galli for Stobbart Ford. Wilson, Villagra, Clarke and Perez-Companc for Munchies Ford. __________________ Heather

03-12-2007, 19:37	#9
yann Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 56 Members Car: fabia vRS Special Edition Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history I'm sure that Seb can win a few more WRC, but I don't know (and neither does he I suppose) how long it will be before he wants to try something else like Formula 1. He should stay in rallying for a few more years. Hopefully Hirvonen will be a good opponent for Seb next year, but I don't think he can challenge Loeb for a WRC title. Maybe in a couple of years'time. It was great to watch Marcus and Seb fighting so hard against each other, this has been full of "fighting spirit"! __________________

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Mr Squidian Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 49 Members Car: Soon to be skoda felicia Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Loeb has made history TBH rallying has lost its affect on me a little bit, Back in 2002 etc. it was britians fighting for the title. I did however love the little tribute that jimmy and dereck put up for colin on last weekends wales rally gb. Talk about lump in throat! __________________ Squidphotography.

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GAFF Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 5,897 Members Car: Octavia II vRS Thanks: 29 Thanked 71 Times in 69 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history Wow Solberg for Ford, him and Atkinson are seriously pi$$ed off with that Scooby. Hirvonen shouldn't be too far off Leob. Hopefully Latvala can start finishing events when he gets into good scoring positions, he is quick. __________________ GAFF Briskoda Ireland Events, Meets & Pictures.....Race Blue Octavia MkII vRS.....Old Octavia MkI vRS

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Mr Squidian Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 49 Members Car: Soon to be skoda felicia Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Loeb has made history The subaru has the potential its just not getting used to its fullest. __________________ Squidphotography.

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KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,147 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 63 Thanked 555 Times in 543 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history Min length 4m, but if you have something you want to use that's just a shade too short, you just need to make some with bigger bumpers, like the Pug 206 WRCs.

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Fluffy Bunny Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London/Aberdeen Posts: 533 Members Car: Maserati Quattroporte V8 Sport GT Thanks: 10 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history I thought WRC were limited to 300BHP - have to trawl through the regs on FIA site to see if that is right. __________________ Heather

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KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,147 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 63 Thanked 555 Times in 543 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history I think the restrictions are more sort of:- This size turbo, this size air restrictor, this capacity... If you have better engine men, you still get more power.

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Fluffy Bunny Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London/Aberdeen Posts: 533 Members Car: Maserati Quattroporte V8 Sport GT Thanks: 10 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history I know they have a restrictor plate in the turbo - unless it's a Toyota in which case they 'forget' to fit one - allegedly. __________________ Heather

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KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,147 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 63 Thanked 555 Times in 543 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history IME/O all a restrictor plate does in a more or less unrestricted formula like WRC is mean that the engineers spend way longer doing things like aerodynamic profile conrods (yes really) to reduce pumping losses, and smoothing out the rest of the intake tract to minimise pressure loss across the plate (well, as you say, unless you're Toyota ).

04-12-2007, 17:30	#24
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,147 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 63 Thanked 555 Times in 543 Posts	Re: Loeb has made history The Octy would be less of an issue in real rallies, like a proper Coronation Safari, or a Lombard RAC.

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