MotoGP - Deja vu

[Lance]

Stoner dominates again - - Rossi needs to go to WSBK, he's had his day

Top ride by JT, it looks quite promising for him.

Did any of you notice the fat bird with the microphone, standing just outside Rossi's garage?

Lance

[anonymouse]

I'm sure you sign on just for this one thread

[Dr Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by anonymouse

I'm sure you sign on just for this one thread

Dont worry , there'll be another one just as tedious next time

[anonymouse]

Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg

Dont worry , there'll be another one just as tedious next time

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg

Dont worry , there'll be another one just as tedious next time

Like I said....deja vu.

That'll be a bitter Rossi fan then.

Lance

[Dr Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by Lance

Like I said....deja vu.

That'll be a bitter Rossi fan then.

Lance

You couldn't be more wrong.
I don't give a ***k who wins as long as it's an interesting race with plenty of action.

I'm just not a sad git who thinks that if they support the winner it in some way reflects on them and enjoys going on about it at every opportunity.

It's why when I was at school , everyone claimed to be obsessive Liverpool fans despite never having been near the place , then later there were the ManU fans who wouldn't be able to find Old Trafford on a map.

It's quite pathetic really.

[Jon TDI]

Lance, give it rest mate. You sound like a stuck record.
Your posts are beginning to be a bit "Deja vu".

[GAFF]

Originally Posted by Jon TDI

Lance, give it rest mate. You sound like a stuck record.
Your posts are beginning to be a bit "Deja vu".

Good race though, the Ducati was really able to turn up the wick half way through. Over the first few laps he couldn't (or maybe wouldn't) pass the Yamaha's but jasus he nailed them later on.

Good ride by JT alright, hopefully he'll get the Pneumatic Valve engine to put it to Rossi & Lorenzo. Btw JT hitting Lorenzo, just letting him know he's there

Good race though, and the track looked the business.

One last thing, that was some start from Dani (humpy little git )

[AwesomeSarah]

Cracking race , I enjoyed it
Like you said , where did Danny come from???? they said it could be because he is 20 kilo`s lighter
Does it really make that much difference
It was nice to see JT have a good race , it will take some getting used to as the bikes are so different to WSB
But good on ya lad
Sarah

[Dr Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by AwesomeSarah

It was nice to see JT have a good race , it will take some getting used to as the bikes are so different to WSB
But good on ya lad
Sarah

The only place he seemed to be losing out was on the straights - on braking and round the bends he was doing very nicely

[AwesomeSarah]

Yes he did get a bit tangles round the bends , but goes to show he is not letting them worry him
Sarah

[Dr Zoidberg]

There was a nice bit of barging on some corners - more like the BTCC than F1

[KentStu]

Thought it was quite interesting, particularly the first half, with some nice overtakes . Looking forward to seeing how it all pans out on tracks where straight line grunt doesn't have such an impact - the Tech 3 boys must have thought they were on mopeds down the straight

[KenONeill]

Originally Posted by AwesomeSarah

Cracking race , I enjoyed it
Like you said , where did Danny come from???? they said it could be because he is 20 kilo`s lighter
Does it really make that much difference
It was nice to see JT have a good race , it will take some getting used to as the bikes are so different to WSB
But good on ya lad
Sarah

Dani P being 20kg lighter is like anyone else being allowed to run a bike that's 7% lighter, which will make a fair difference out of slow corners if nothing else.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg

You couldn't be more wrong.
I don't give a ***k who wins as long as it's an interesting race with plenty of action.

I'm just not a sad git who thinks that if they support the winner it in some way reflects on them and enjoys going on about it at every opportunity.

It's why when I was at school , everyone claimed to be obsessive Liverpool fans despite never having been near the place , then later there were the ManU fans who wouldn't be able to find Old Trafford on a map.

It's quite pathetic really.

Dr Z

Sorry it took so long to respond, I was busy tying some fresh flies.

Lance

[Lance]

Prior to qualifying I doubt many would have bet on the new boys doing so well, however I'm sure that a few of the regulars are now troubled by such strong performances by the likes of JT, Lorenzo and that other bloke who's names escapes me.....Dovi (something or other).

Looks promising for the rest of the season, especially on the tighter circuits where the lesser BPH machines won't have such a big disadvantage.

All being well we should see JT on the rostrum this year.

[Fluffmeister]

Bring back 500's I really like JT, but Chris walker was talented in his day, and look what an NSR500 did to him.

no nancy boy traction control, just hairy arsed super light scarey as fek 2 strokes ....

And yes, I am a Rossi fan, and whilst things have not gone to plan, he is still the only one out of the current crop who dominated on 500's and then transfered that to the 990's when they first hit motoGP.

Rossi has not had his day, Casey Stoner is without doubt a great rider, but not one of "the" greats. Stick them all on the same bike and Rossi would win, but it's open class, and a technology showcase so the other factories have got to buck up their ideas and bridge this gap with Ducati.

I do firmly believe that the other factories need to catch up, not go down the Honda route and cap RPM, that's just sour grapes, but the flipside is look at ducati in WSB, they can't win without either a capacity advantage or a Foggy, Corser, Bayliss on board so them saying that Honda are whining about RPM limits is a little hypocritical when they have got EVERY rule change they have ever wanted to keep them at the top of WSB.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Fluffmeister

Rossi has not had his day, Casey Stoner is without doubt a great rider, but not one of "the" greats. Stick them all on the same bike and Rossi would win, but it's open class, and a technology showcase so the other factories have got to buck up their ideas and bridge this gap with Ducati.

I do firmly believe that the other factories need to catch up, not go down the Honda route and cap RPM, that's just sour grapes, but the flipside is look at ducati in WSB, they can't win without either a capacity advantage or a Foggy, Corser, Bayliss on board so them saying that Honda are whining about RPM limits is a little hypocritical when they have got EVERY rule change they have ever wanted to keep them at the top of WSB.

Mr Fluff

Wise words. However IMO we have already seen Rossi's best days and whilst Stoner isn't yet one of the 'greats', time may prove differently, as it may also do with my view on Rossi.

Must agree with your WSBK and ducati comments, the series does seem tailored towards them winning.

[KenONeill]

Like most "proddie based" series these days (and indeed "sportscar" and "GT" racing), WSB seem to be moving towards performance-balancing rules, so unless one make has a clear advantage over the others (n machines finishing in the top n places barring failures), I'd say they're about right.

I support Vale more because of his personality (at least on-screen) than because he's a major winner. I mean, I also support (and I'm sticking with just MotoGP here) the Jap riders, the Toe Show, and Capirex! In fact, part of of Vale's initial appeal for me was the way he duffed up Biaggi on track pretty much every race.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by KenONeill

I support Vale more because of his personality (at least on-screen) than because he's a major winner. I mean, I also support (and I'm sticking with just MotoGP here) the Jap riders, the Toe Show, and Capirex! In fact, part of of Vale's initial appeal for me was the way he duffed up Biaggi on track pretty much every race.

Rossi most certainly put Biaggi in his place, toying with him at will........then doing the same to Gibernau, who I expect still has nightmares about the way Rossi consistenly beat him both mentally and on track.

[GAFF]

Originally Posted by Lance

Rossi most certainly put Biaggi in his place, toying with him at will........then doing the same to Gibernau, who I expect still has nightmares about the way Rossi consistenly beat him both mentally and on track.

He had a real nack of messing with there heads alright

[farky77]

Originally Posted by Fluffmeister

Bring back 500's I really like JT, but Chris walker was talented in his day, and look what an NSR500 did to him.

no nancy boy traction control, just hairy arsed super light scarey as fek 2 strokes ....

And yes, I am a Rossi fan, and whilst things have not gone to plan, he is still the only one out of the current crop who dominated on 500's and then transfered that to the 990's when they first hit motoGP.

Rossi has not had his day, Casey Stoner is without doubt a great rider, but not one of "the" greats. Stick them all on the same bike and Rossi would win, but it's open class, and a technology showcase so the other factories have got to buck up their ideas and bridge this gap with Ducati.

I do firmly believe that the other factories need to catch up, not go down the Honda route and cap RPM, that's just sour grapes, but the flipside is look at ducati in WSB, they can't win without either a capacity advantage or a Foggy, Corser, Bayliss on board so them saying that Honda are whining about RPM limits is a little hypocritical when they have got EVERY rule change they have ever wanted to keep them at the top of WSB.

IMHO, this is the 'post' most closest to the truth in this thread. 100% agree with you regarding Rossi NOT being past it. Maybe certain people or certain fans of other riders say that he's past his best through something as silly as jealousy, knowing fine well that there is no one in the Moto GP paddock at present that is going to acheive the success that Rossi has?? Some will say its because he has been on superior machinery etc etc?? However, i put it down solely to his talent alone. Remember, its not only us* (*us being Fans who think we know what we are talking about) but HIGHLY regarded professionals who put Rossi's success down to his talent alone.
Which brings me to another of your comments Fluffmeister: put all the grid on the exact machinery, tyres or whatever and Rossi would wipe the floor with them!!
Casey Stoner is OBVIOUSLY a VERY TALENTED young individual, hes the only one to get that Ducati working (by a VERY long way) but like whats been said before already, i think Stoner is the first Breed of Rider to make the Electronics package work to his full advantage, thus giving him 100% confidence in the traction control system etc etc.
I remember reading a Magazine lately, think it was Racer, where Jeremy Mcwilliams and the large *cough* red haired guy from the WSB studio, were watching Stoner during testing. On every corner, Mcwilliams couldnt believe how early Stoner was opening the throttle FULLY way before the Apex!! He said after years and years of racing he'd struggle to put that much trust in ANY electronics/traction system. So maybe THATS why Stoner and the young 'uns are looking so good when Rossi and the more experienced guys are looking to 'struggle' a bit. Remember 2006 when Stoner was on the customer Honda?? A bike with a less advanced traction system?? He was never out the kitty litter. Give him a bike he puts 100% confidence in the following year and people are making him out a f***ing Legend and all of a sudden Rossi is past it or 'had his day'!!!! C'mon, the guy is a 7 times World Champion, on different kinds of machiney and different Classes, he CERTAINLY aint no mug!!
IF Stoner can get to 7 World Championships, then i'll start comparing!!
Like i said at the start of my post, ALL IMHO

Ian

[Lance]

Farky

Interesting post, most of which has been said before and most of which has been debated before, so I won't bother going down that route again, as you clearly have your opinions and I and others have theirs.

One bit does shock me a little though........you state that "people are making him (stoner) out a f***ing Legend". Who exactly is it that is suggesting this? I read a lot of the m/c press and have not seen anything to support this, nor have I heard any of it on the MotoGP coverage, nor have I heard any of it on this or any other forums. I've seen & heard positive comments about him, but nothing suggesting that he is or will be one of the all time greats.

Just for the record, it's no secret that I am no fan of Rossi, however I fully recognise that the man is a genius on a bike and has more than earned his place in motorcyclings hall of fame. Furthermore, I'm not really a fan of any particular rider, however I'd love to see Edwards win a race and for JT to do well. Most of all I just like to watch good racing and to watch Rossi get beat, which is becoming more and more frequent, regardless of reason.

I agree that Rossi is a motorcyling legend, but remember he had to start somewhere and you never know what the future holds for any of the riders on the grid.

[farky77]

Maybe i should have worded it better about people making him a Legend after only achieving 1 World Championship. After all, that is all hes ever acheived on a motorcycle.
I've stated that hes a very talented rider, BUT, like i said, hes only Won 1 Championship, so why the 'hype'?? Why wasnt this amount of praise heaped onto Hayden when he won the Title?? After all, even he has achieved more on a motorcycle has he not?? He won it on a bike that was on even par to the performance of Rossi's, and some would argue that during that season Rossi was riding better.
I just cant figure out WHY the hype?? WHY all the praise??
I dont dislike the guy, after Toseland and Rossi hes probably the rider i'd like see win next.

Ian