WTCC - no smoke?

Kaiserb_uk · 06-04-2008, 18:34

Anyone know how much power the Seat TDi's are putting out? I'm intrigued as to how we don't see huge clouds of soot - we've all seen what Jason's car looks like giving it some! Are they using fancy exhaust filters?

**delcac** · 06-04-2008, 18:37

BASE CAR
SEAT Leon 2.0 TDI FR

ENGINE
Turbocharged, 4-cylinder in line, transversally installed
Distribution: two overhead camshafts, 16 valves.
Displacement: 2000 cc.
Bore x stroke: 81 x 95.5 mm.
Maximum power: approx 270 PS.
Maximum torque: 440 nm.
Lubrication: Shell oil, wet sump.
Particle filter: DOW
Fuel: TOCA control diesel

TRANSMISSION
Front-wheel drive
Gearbox: Hewland 6-speed, sequential shift.
Clutch: Sachs twin-plate.
Differential: mechanical limited slip differential.

CHASSIS
Front suspension: McPherson strut, Sachs dampers, coil springs, gas-filled dampers, adjustable anti-roll bar.
Rear suspension: multi-link axel, Sachs dampers, coil springs, gas-filled dampers, adjustable, anti-roll bar.
Steering: power assisted rack and pinion.

BRAKES
Not-assisted dual circuit system.
Front brakes: 4-piston AP callipers, 332 mm steel ventilated discs.
Rear brakes: 2-piston AP callipers, 280 mm steel discs.

DIMENSIONS
Length: 4330 mm.
Width: 1849 mm.
Wheelbase: 2600 mm.
Minimum weight: 1150kgs (including driver

devonutopia · 06-04-2008, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by delcac

Particle filter: DOW

I should imagine this really helps, plus they'll have spent thousands and thousands of £££ getting that engine setup right.

Also, mine's not too bad - Its only low down it really chucks it out. Once on boost it's reasonable.

It just looks like the Seat boys have sorted it out low down. I'd like to see a dyno of one of those cars.

Kaiserb_uk · 06-04-2008, 18:44

What does DOW mean? But thanks for the info, I've trawled the Seat flash site with no joy. 270 hp eh? You entering as a privateer jason?

Lummox · 06-04-2008, 18:54

They do start chucking out soot on the start line when they roll up for the start, noticed it on the Brands coverage. Fine when on song though.

AndyG_1979 · 07-04-2008, 13:02

A few pics from last Sundays race at Brands

KenONeill · 07-04-2008, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiserb_uk

What does DOW mean? But thanks for the info, I've trawled the Seat flash site with no joy. 270 hp eh? You entering as a privateer jason?

What does "Lubrication - Shell oil" mean would be equally sensible to ask. Dow (aka Dow Corning if they're who I'm thinking of) are a specialist filter manufacturer.

And on the general point of the lack of smoke (and noise) from competition diesels. The FIA have decided to rule that these engines must be more or less smoke free. The huge particulate traps used also happen to make good silencers!

auroan · 07-04-2008, 16:45

The smoke on the pics is tyre smoke from locking the inside rear wheel.

Shifty · 07-04-2008, 16:45

Damn good looking car those.

Kaiserb_uk · 07-04-2008, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenONeill

What does "Lubrication - Shell oil" mean would be equally sensible to ask. Dow (aka Dow Corning if they're who I'm thinking of) are a specialist filter manufacturer

I thought it was a TLA, no need for condescension.

Thanks anyway.

AndyG_1979 · 07-04-2008, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by auroan

The smoke on the pics is tyre smoke from locking the inside rear wheel.

err no it wasnt, unless it had locked it inside rear wheel for an entire lap

auroan · 07-04-2008, 18:21

I watched the entire footage on TV and only saw diesel exhaust smoke when they were on the start line.

Lummox · 07-04-2008, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenONeill

What does "Lubrication - Shell oil" mean would be equally sensible to ask. Dow (aka Dow Corning if they're who I'm thinking of) are a specialist filter manufacturer.

Thats what I thought, My Grandad was an electrician for DOW chemicals for many years before he was made redundant.

AndyG_1979 · 07-04-2008, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by auroan

I watched the entire footage on TV and only saw diesel exhaust smoke when they were on the start line.

Okay

andypandypoos · 09-04-2008, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenONeill

What does "Lubrication - Shell oil" mean would be equally sensible to ask. Dow (aka Dow Corning if they're who I'm thinking of) are a specialist filter manufacturer.

the filters are made by Dow Automotive, who don't seem to have anything to do with Dow Corning

BigTam · 11-04-2008, 08:35

Why is the car in front not smoking the same

woodenspatulas · 11-04-2008, 09:27

saw the last race at brands hatch recently. i was watching the seats as i had almost forgot they were tdi's

shame one gave out on the first lap! lol!

they are pretty quiet vs the other cars we were really trying to listen out for the engine noise from the seat's but really couldnt hear them over the rest of the pack. also noticed the lack of soot. thought it could be some fancy single use filtering system.

Captain Sisko · 13-04-2008, 13:11

Just saw the first Rockingham race

Awesome. That Civic went like a rocket though

auroan · 13-04-2008, 15:08

Currently watching the footage now.

Captain Sisko · 15-04-2008, 10:17

The second race was really good too!!!
Giovanni looks awesome too.

I wanna go see a Touring car race now. It looks like a return back to the good old 90s.
I remember when Volvos put the 850 estate out, that was a good laugh.
Has John Cleland retired?

06-04-2008, 18:34	#1
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06-04-2008, 18:37	#2
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auroan Why me ? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2,707 Thanks: 157 Thanked 95 Times in 83 Posts	Re: WTCC - no smoke? Currently watching the footage now. __________________ '00 AUDI A4 2.8 Quattro - with a few mods Audi A4 2.6 Avant (Breaking - Check out http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/auroan)

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Captain Sisko Friskodian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Deep Space 9 Posts: 2,073 Thanks: 40 Thanked 119 Times in 116 Posts	Re: WTCC - no smoke? The second race was really good too!!! Giovanni looks awesome too. I wanna go see a Touring car race now. It looks like a return back to the good old 90s. I remember when Volvos put the 850 estate out, that was a good laugh. Has John Cleland retired? __________________ 98 Felicia 1.6 GLXI 110500 miles Clickable for "boring" info

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