Mooing - Squeaking - Aaaaaaah!!

[Terry G]

OK, OK First off, I am really sorry for starting yet another thread about the Mooing, Squeaking brake problem, but I felt I should inform you of my predicament and hope that I will get a little sympathy!

So way back in August (it feels such a long time ago now) I pop into my dealer with my 10 month old car and have the 'weights' fitted to resolve the 'mooing' problem.....Hoooooray... sorted!

I even get so excited that I add to a thread that I have discovered the promised land of 'moo-less reversing' and spread the word!
Then it all goes wrong... I spot a thread stating a squeak. "Thats funny" I think "My lovely car has started squeaking at me lately", "It must be my mind". And gradually the squeak gets louder (although that could well be my mind just getting more and more fed up with it!)
So with the squeak, still a loud echo in my head (makes a change from the voices!) I visit the dealer to book it in to be looked at.. the fella behind the desk tells me to clean my brakes as its probably brake dust. "I have done that already" "oh well then you've probably cleaned it too much!". So I book it in.. the day arrives and the head mechanic comes out to talk to me.. "We can have a look at your car, but you will have to pay and it could involve a fair bit of work stripping th brakes down" (in fairness he was honest and seemed like a good bloke). With that he offered to put the car up on the ramp and give it a blast with the air hose to see if that helped. He returned saying the car did have noisy brakes but it should help. I drive out of the dealer, stop at the junction..... Yep a loud squeal as I stop!

So here I am now, having been told that if I want to fix the squealing noise, it will be at my expense as the dealer doesn't believe that the forums are always correct or I just tolerate the noise until my pads/disks require changing (apparently they are lasting well!). Oh and to add to this I emailed Skoda UK last week and have not had anything other than an automated reply! (They are making Ford customer service look good!!!)

Is it me...? are my brakes making a noise due to me being gentle with my car? or is it a fault?

Either way the noise is driving (excuse the pun) me mental....

[Matt-VRS]

I had exactly the same problem. My brakes squeeled like a ******* when I would pull up to a stop. Nothing until low speeds then this awful sound like I had run over a rat or something. I took it to the main dealer and they serviced the car plus told me the brakes were making the noise as the disks had a lip on them and they needed replacing. I forked out on this only to be confronted bu the same thing 60 miles later. I have just had some work done on the front suspension of the car and asked the guy to see if he could see the problem. When I picked it up the first thing he said was. "I'm not being funny but those guys who looked at it before didn't even bother to grease it on the service!" Sure enough the problem seems now to be fixed as he completly stripped and re assembled them with copius ammounts of copper grease where needed. Hope this helps, will let you know if it sorts mine for good!

[Terry G]

Fingers crossed then!!

[Ant.]

I had the same "mooing" problem with mine. After the dealer fitted the weights my brakes also started screeching everytime I came to a halt. It was LOUD! Sounded terrible. Anyway, I took it back to Skoda and they agreed something wasn't right. Their solution at the time was to take the brakes apart and re-fit them. That seemed to do the trick and I had screechless brakes for a while.

Unfortunately they have started to squeak again now, but no where near the scale they were at, so could even be brake dust as she's due a wash.

[VRStu]

Terry

Good to meet up with you the other night. Have you got an email addy you can PM me.

[Terry G]

Just an update for anyone suffering from the same problems...

I have today recieved a reply from SUK that in a nutshell says that the counterbalance mod is in no way linked to the squealing and that if I choose to have the brakes examined they will only be covered under warranty if the noise is due to manufacturers defect/fault. Otherwise I will have to pay.

Happy (squeaky) days....

[VRSPhil]

I've just spoken to SUK 'Customer services' and I have to say that I am appalled by their attitude towards this problem. They told me that it's covered under warrantee but it's not a recall. I explained that my car was outside the warrantee period but was covered by a Skoda used car warrantee and I felt that the counterbalance weights should be fitted FOC because it's obviously a design fault which effects thousands of vehicles. The guy I was talking to started to come round until he realised I have only owned the car for about 5 months. He then said that it was probably a fault caused by a previous owner and that Skoda would not be paying for any repairs. So the car is covered by a Skoda warrantee and was purchased from a Skoda dealer a few months ago yet they are flunking any responsibility.

We own an imported '98 Toyota land cruiser which was bought from an independent 4x4 specialist having been imported with limited history from Japan. Last week I received a letter from Toyota explaining that an issue had come to their attention where part of the gear linkage would start to rattle and they would like to organise a time for me to drop the vehicle with them so they could change the part F.O.C. If Toyota can do this on an 8yr old imported vehicle, why can SUK not do it on a 4yr old one?

I'm not on the lookout for freebies and would normally be happy to pay but why should I have to fork out because SUK can't design/test the damn thing properly before they put it into production, and when they do eventually find a fix it just creates other problems!

I am sure one of the SUK spys will be reading this so please take note. Your attitude is starting to **** us all off and you are going to loose customers very quickly unless you sort it out!!

Sorry to wander off topic.

[VRStu]

It all depends on the wording of the TSB. If it was only to fix cars for which they recieved complaints of then they wouldn't have done it as a matter of course and I suspect this would be the case. Ask them for the part number of the kit as I doubt it's very expensive and put it on your self.

[VRSPhil]

I am going to fit it myself I think. Just annoys me I was quoted £60 but I'm not sure if that is before or after fitting... I'll clarify when I go to collect a part today and will also get the part number for anyone who is interested.

[VRStu]

I think £60 would be the fitted price.

Let me have the number when you do phil and I'll add it to

Octavia-vRS.com - Handy Part Numbers

[doolie]

Originally Posted by Terry G

Just an update for anyone suffering from the same problems...

I have today recieved a reply from SUK that in a nutshell says that the counterbalance mod is in no way linked to the squealing and that if I choose to have the brakes examined they will only be covered under warranty if the noise is due to manufacturers defect/fault. Otherwise I will have to pay.

Happy (squeaky) days....

that is pretty damn poor from skoda - we've had our Octy just under a couple of months and pretty much straight away spotted the moooing. In she went for the fix (which in itself took nearly a month to sort) and yup, we now have squealing brakes

I can live with the issue (for now), it's only @ low speed going forward

Still, to say that installing the counterbalance mod is not linked to the squealing is pure fantasy Ours started as soon as the mod was fitted

[matthewb]

Ive had this problem ongoing for about two years now on my mk 1 octy vrs,Ive given up solving it ,Im not really bothered as its my company car.In the last two years Ive had the brake pads deglazed, Ive had new brake calipers fitted and new disc,s an still the problem persists.only conclusion Ive come to the brake distribution to the back brakes is not enough causing pads to go smooth,other way around is to try and fit after market brake kits to the rear.I have heard of fitting counter weights but as alot of posts state,the problem moves to another area sqeaking when braking forwards or sqealing ,another solution before u reverse jump out and spray a touch of WD40 on your rear brakes ,just kidding yea no brakes YEEEHAAAAAA !!!!

[Terry G]

Originally Posted by doolie

Still, to say that installing the counterbalance mod is not linked to the squealing is pure fantasy Ours started as soon as the mod was fitted

Aaaah yes, but don't forget that we are discussing 'similar' problems on a forum that SUK don't recognise/acknowledge allowing them (and in some cases I guess, the dealer) to say that we are just imagining it all or just talking nonsence.

I think its fair to say that we should just accept the brakes for what they are... Good at stopping the car but slighlty noisy when you need to use that function

[Zetec-S]

Sorry to dig up an old topic, but has anyone managed to have this sorted in a satisfactory manner.

My vRS is starting to make an awful lot of noise, especially when reversing, and with the slight squeak when you move forward. I had new rear pads fitted by a dealer about 1,000 miles ago.

[doolie]

Originally Posted by Zetec-S

Sorry to dig up an old topic, but has anyone managed to have this sorted in a satisfactory manner.

My vRS is starting to make an awful lot of noise, especially when reversing, and with the slight squeak when you move forward. I had new rear pads fitted by a dealer about 1,000 miles ago.

not sorted here

I'd stick with what you've got, trust me the noise when reversing is a whole lot more bearable than what you get after the counterbalance wieghts

[butchvrs]

Take out the pads, front and rear, clean all the cr*p off the back of the pads and where they come in contact with the caliper, and the contact points on the caliper, put a film of "copperslip" across the whole of the rear face (i.e not the bit that comes in contact with the disc!) and the contact points on the calipers, reassemble and job done!
Had the same problem on my 52 plate octy VRS, had several services done at the stealers and still the the problem came back! However if you look at the service book it says "inspect brake pads", that doesn't mean remove, clean and generally make sure all is well.
Did mine at 26k (still under warrenty, but cheesed of it hadn't been sorted so did it myself) not had a problem since and now at 42k.
Car went to Jabba for it's 40k service (well recommended, and I used to work in the motor trade!) and the guy doing the service commented (can't remember his name, good geezer anyway) that the the brakes "had been sorted to sort out the squeel, for once"
Hope this helps
CheeRS
Andy

[doolie]

Originally Posted by butchvrs

Take out the pads, front and rear, clean all the cr*p off the back of the pads and where they come in contact with the caliper, and the contact points on the caliper, put a film of "copperslip" across the whole of the rear face (i.e not the bit that comes in contact with the disc!) and the contact points on the calipers, reassemble and job done!
Had the same problem on my 52 plate octy VRS, had several services done at the stealers and still the the problem came back! However if you look at the service book it says "inspect brake pads", that doesn't mean remove, clean and generally make sure all is well.
Did mine at 26k (still under warrenty, but cheesed of it hadn't been sorted so did it myself) not had a problem since and now at 42k.
Car went to Jabba for it's 40k service (well recommended, and I used to work in the motor trade!) and the guy doing the service commented (can't remember his name, good geezer anyway) that the the brakes "had been sorted to sort out the squeel, for once"
Hope this helps
CheeRS
Andy

cheers, that's good to know, i'll have a look at mine over the next week and try some copper grease