No door membranes (are they needed)

justinbarrow · 10-05-2008, 13:00

From sorting out one problem to finding another, water is gettting in from the bottom of the frot passenger and rear passenger doors, the door seals seem ok but have noticed that none of the doors have the plastic membrane, can you get away without neededing them or are they required to stop water from getting in? they dont look like they will seal.

When i open the affected doors you can see water has built up on the inner door seal at the bottom and it looks as iff it is seeping in from there.

Could i getaway with cutting some polythine sheeting to size as i have a roll or does it have to be the original skoda part.

Thanks

Lummox · 10-05-2008, 13:02

They must be there or water will pi55 in.

**mannyo** · 10-05-2008, 13:03

Yes they are needed, without them your door cards and the interior will get wet and eventually the door cards will need to be replaced.

hussarman · 10-05-2008, 14:37

They are there for a reason, to keep water out.

justinbarrow · 10-05-2008, 14:49

Could i use some heavy duty polythene sheeting cut to size rather than get the ones from skoda?

Thanks

auroan · 10-05-2008, 14:57

Have they never been there since you got the car ?

Sounds like the car may have been in a bump ?

Lummox · 10-05-2008, 15:07

Poly sheeting will be fine as long as its sealed.

RichB86 · 10-05-2008, 22:06

sound deadening!!!

claytarget_god · 10-05-2008, 22:31

hi
ive had the same problem.

skoda put the stuff back in but it hasnt made any diff.

i think the car has a design fault. a mate has a mk4 golf that suffers the same when it rains.

could be somethin to do wi the split upper and lower seals and havin half on door and half on the car.
not sure

Lummox · 10-05-2008, 22:33

The MK4 Golf is a different set up to the Octavia. The MK4 has an ancilleries carrier like the Fabia.

justinbarrow · 10-05-2008, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by auroan

Have they never been there since you got the car ?

Sounds like the car may have been in a bump ?

Its not been in a bump and they have never been there since i got the car which was just 3 weeks ago.

It appears that someone has taken the door covers off and just ripped all the membranes off.

anyway i have so far sealed 3 doors with some heavy duty weaher proof polythene sheets that i have and sealed it onto the doors well..just got the drivers door to do tomorrow.

The guy i ought it from gave me a haynes manual which i think is always a bad sign when buying a used car!Lol

Its just gets me why they never replaced the membranes a i always thought you could get away without them after all they are only very thin and you wou wouldnt by looking at them think that they would keep the water out. But it looks like i am wrong.

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claytarget_god · 10-05-2008, 22:40

they might reduce the amount but they dont stop it.

Lummox · 10-05-2008, 22:50

If the membranes are sealed (no holes, inc behind the speakers) then water cant come down that side of the door. However there are a fair few other entry points about the car.

claytarget_god · 10-05-2008, 23:15

mine comes in from the bottom of the door. both pass and drvs side. both membrains are sealed.

only small amounts come in. it builds up on the top of the seal aat the bottom of the door sil.

oh well.

justinbarrow · 10-05-2008, 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

However there are a fair few other entry points about the car.

Where else should i be looking thankfully we havent had much rain of late. If it still leaks after replacing all the door membrnes what should i do.

This car is really doing my heaad in now with leaks.

Thanks everyone.

Lummox · 11-05-2008, 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by claytarget_god

mine comes in from the bottom of the door. both pass and drvs side. both membrains are sealed.

only small amounts come in. it builds up on the top of the seal aat the bottom of the door sil.

oh well.

Is it running over the sill and into the car then?

**mannyo** · 11-05-2008, 08:09

Also, if you remove the front speakers there should be a foam type surround protecting the speaker. If this is missing or has been cut then water can get in through there.

justinbarrow · 11-05-2008, 10:42

The foam behind the speakers is fine. The water collects at the top of the rubber seal on the inner door like its coming over the sill.

claytarget_god · 11-05-2008, 15:43

same

the water builds up between the seals on the door and the sill then it seeps over the plastic trim into the car.

justinbarrow · 11-05-2008, 19:04

well its thundering and heavy rain up here in Cumbria and so far the doors are holding just slight water entry on front passenger door so maybe it might need a new door seal, any thoughts.

I will re-check it later and let you know the outcome.

Heres Hoping

10-05-2008, 13:00	#1
justinbarrow Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Barrow In Furness Posts: 128 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	No door membranes (are they needed) From sorting out one problem to finding another, water is gettting in from the bottom of the frot passenger and rear passenger doors, the door seals seem ok but have noticed that none of the doors have the plastic membrane, can you get away without neededing them or are they required to stop water from getting in? they dont look like they will seal. When i open the affected doors you can see water has built up on the inner door seal at the bottom and it looks as iff it is seeping in from there. Could i getaway with cutting some polythine sheeting to size as i have a roll or does it have to be the original skoda part. Thanks

10-05-2008, 13:02	#2
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,160 Thanks: 18 Thanked 538 Times in 470 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) They must be there or water will pi55 in. __________________ MK2 Golf GTi - APX 225bhp 1.8T - Emerald K3 - Quaife ATB - VR6 Widetrack - VR6 brakes front and rear - Neuspeed ARBs - Speedline alloys - H+R coilovers - Powerflex bushes - Helix clutch G60 flywheel - Adjustable solid top mounts - Custom engine bay - Tornado Motorsport MSA cage - and lots lots more.

10-05-2008, 13:03	#3
mannyo BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stevenage Herts. Posts: 10,658 Thanks: 23 Thanked 246 Times in 232 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) Yes they are needed, without them your door cards and the interior will get wet and eventually the door cards will need to be replaced. __________________ Manny 2005 Octavia 2.0TDi Elegance combi my skoda website http://www.octaviars.co.uk Join the briskoda.net folding team click Here for more info

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hussarman Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) They are there for a reason, to keep water out.

10-05-2008, 14:49	#5
justinbarrow Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Barrow In Furness Posts: 128 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) Could i use some heavy duty polythene sheeting cut to size rather than get the ones from skoda? Thanks

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10-05-2008, 15:07	#7
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,160 Thanks: 18 Thanked 538 Times in 470 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) Poly sheeting will be fine as long as its sealed. __________________ MK2 Golf GTi - APX 225bhp 1.8T - Emerald K3 - Quaife ATB - VR6 Widetrack - VR6 brakes front and rear - Neuspeed ARBs - Speedline alloys - H+R coilovers - Powerflex bushes - Helix clutch G60 flywheel - Adjustable solid top mounts - Custom engine bay - Tornado Motorsport MSA cage - and lots lots more.

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10-05-2008, 22:31	#9
claytarget_god Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 538 Thanks: 55 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) hi ive had the same problem. skoda put the stuff back in but it hasnt made any diff. i think the car has a design fault. a mate has a mk4 golf that suffers the same when it rains. could be somethin to do wi the split upper and lower seals and havin half on door and half on the car. not sure __________________ Done: PowerFlex Dogbone Bushes, Forge FMIC,CAI,forge DV, N75j, Longlife 200cel Cat 2.5" cat-back, Whiteline 22mm ARB and S3 Front Lower Brace, Remap, LCR Front Splitter, Milotec front grills, 18" R32 Wheels. To Do: TIP, Front Bumper: Milotec Side Vents, Middle Grill Cut-Out?, Milotec Rear Bumper Splitter, Weitec GT coilovers, SuperPRO Bushes, VSport Custom Remap.

10-05-2008, 22:33	#10
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,160 Thanks: 18 Thanked 538 Times in 470 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) The MK4 Golf is a different set up to the Octavia. The MK4 has an ancilleries carrier like the Fabia. __________________ MK2 Golf GTi - APX 225bhp 1.8T - Emerald K3 - Quaife ATB - VR6 Widetrack - VR6 brakes front and rear - Neuspeed ARBs - Speedline alloys - H+R coilovers - Powerflex bushes - Helix clutch G60 flywheel - Adjustable solid top mounts - Custom engine bay - Tornado Motorsport MSA cage - and lots lots more.

10-05-2008, 22:40	#12
claytarget_god Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 538 Thanks: 55 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) they might reduce the amount but they dont stop it. __________________ Done: PowerFlex Dogbone Bushes, Forge FMIC,CAI,forge DV, N75j, Longlife 200cel Cat 2.5" cat-back, Whiteline 22mm ARB and S3 Front Lower Brace, Remap, LCR Front Splitter, Milotec front grills, 18" R32 Wheels. To Do: TIP, Front Bumper: Milotec Side Vents, Middle Grill Cut-Out?, Milotec Rear Bumper Splitter, Weitec GT coilovers, SuperPRO Bushes, VSport Custom Remap.

10-05-2008, 22:50	#13
Lummox Hairy Yeti Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,160 Thanks: 18 Thanked 538 Times in 470 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) If the membranes are sealed (no holes, inc behind the speakers) then water cant come down that side of the door. However there are a fair few other entry points about the car. __________________ MK2 Golf GTi - APX 225bhp 1.8T - Emerald K3 - Quaife ATB - VR6 Widetrack - VR6 brakes front and rear - Neuspeed ARBs - Speedline alloys - H+R coilovers - Powerflex bushes - Helix clutch G60 flywheel - Adjustable solid top mounts - Custom engine bay - Tornado Motorsport MSA cage - and lots lots more.

10-05-2008, 23:15	#14
claytarget_god Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 538 Thanks: 55 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) mine comes in from the bottom of the door. both pass and drvs side. both membrains are sealed. only small amounts come in. it builds up on the top of the seal aat the bottom of the door sil. oh well. __________________ Done: PowerFlex Dogbone Bushes, Forge FMIC,CAI,forge DV, N75j, Longlife 200cel Cat 2.5" cat-back, Whiteline 22mm ARB and S3 Front Lower Brace, Remap, LCR Front Splitter, Milotec front grills, 18" R32 Wheels. To Do: TIP, Front Bumper: Milotec Side Vents, Middle Grill Cut-Out?, Milotec Rear Bumper Splitter, Weitec GT coilovers, SuperPRO Bushes, VSport Custom Remap.

11-05-2008, 08:09	#17
mannyo BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stevenage Herts. Posts: 10,658 Thanks: 23 Thanked 246 Times in 232 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) Also, if you remove the front speakers there should be a foam type surround protecting the speaker. If this is missing or has been cut then water can get in through there. __________________ Manny 2005 Octavia 2.0TDi Elegance combi my skoda website http://www.octaviars.co.uk Join the briskoda.net folding team click Here for more info

11-05-2008, 10:42	#18
justinbarrow Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Barrow In Furness Posts: 128 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) The foam behind the speakers is fine. The water collects at the top of the rubber seal on the inner door like its coming over the sill.

11-05-2008, 15:43	#19
claytarget_god Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 538 Thanks: 55 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) same the water builds up between the seals on the door and the sill then it seeps over the plastic trim into the car. __________________ Done: PowerFlex Dogbone Bushes, Forge FMIC,CAI,forge DV, N75j, Longlife 200cel Cat 2.5" cat-back, Whiteline 22mm ARB and S3 Front Lower Brace, Remap, LCR Front Splitter, Milotec front grills, 18" R32 Wheels. To Do: TIP, Front Bumper: Milotec Side Vents, Middle Grill Cut-Out?, Milotec Rear Bumper Splitter, Weitec GT coilovers, SuperPRO Bushes, VSport Custom Remap.

11-05-2008, 19:04	#20
justinbarrow Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Barrow In Furness Posts: 128 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: No door membranes (are they needed) well its thundering and heavy rain up here in Cumbria and so far the doors are holding just slight water entry on front passenger door so maybe it might need a new door seal, any thoughts. I will re-check it later and let you know the outcome. Heres Hoping

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