Traction or Lack of

VRs Nut · 07-02-2005, 19:26

even though i dont have an Octy RS yet i am still lookin at stuff for it.

some of my friends have the opinioon that if I really start to modify the engine for serious power i am not going to get very good tractioin on quarter miles or when tryin to pull away quickly, the VRs has traction control as standard i tink, but can ut cope with a seruous power tourqe increase

cheers

Tavia4x4 · 07-02-2005, 19:28

Umm, I'll stop myself from suggesting the obvious

However, traction control on the octyRS is rubbish, you will turn it off and be gentle with your right foot....

VRs Nut · 07-02-2005, 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tavia4x4

Umm, I'll stop myself from suggesting the obvious

However, traction control on the octyRS is rubbish, you will turn it off and be gentle with your right foot....

the OctyRS will b my first car with any serious power so i wasnt really sure

is it worth fitting launch control when u start going to stupid levels of power

Tavia4x4 · 07-02-2005, 19:35

Again, the best bet is decent tyres and a gentle right foot.. you can only put down a certain amount of power through 2wheels.. so measure it out gently from bends or on greasy roads...

VRs Nut · 07-02-2005, 19:40

cheers Tavia4x4

so just drive the way i drive my current car, a little pocket rocket its a jap hot hatch
the suzuki ignis sport

spins the wheels up at the sniff of damp roads, and even dry roads lol

gentle right foot, must remember that, really must remember that

lol

WW_VRS · 07-02-2005, 20:28

Avoid heavy shoes

Joel_vRS · 07-02-2005, 20:37

i thought the traction control woudl be a god send on the strip....it hinders you more then anything TBH....the best way to get quick times is with traction control off....this means lots of practise before hand to get quick launch no with no wheels spin... baiscally the traction control takes the power off you as you try and pull away hard regardless of if you spinning it pre emps whats happening this can add as much as one second on to your 1/4 mile time....

im only running standard 180bhp may be with 250bhp you can make up the lost time at the other end of the strip...

Joel

pbirkett · 07-02-2005, 21:23

You'll probably find an Ignis Sport has loads of traction compared to an Octy RS, which is a lot torquier... agree with the other guys, turn it off and do the work yourself.

bengie · 08-02-2005, 00:17

or get a 4x4

VRs Nut · 08-02-2005, 09:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_VRS

Avoid heavy shoes

that might b a little hard i have size 13 feet lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbirkett

You'll probably find an Ignis Sport has loads of traction compared to an Octy RS, which is a lot torquier

was just using that as an example. just need to be even more cafeul with my lead right foot

its going to be a learning experiance having something so big

Goochie · 08-02-2005, 09:44

I find the TC is at is best on damp/icy roads at speeds of 30+ At this speed it is fairly un-obtrusive and gently assists whilst you're nailing it. Below 30 it's a pain in the ***.

I rememebr pulling out onto a damp roundabout on the way home from Jabba. I booted it as I would have previously and the TC said "uh uh I dont think so" and chopped my right foot off - resulting in oncoming traffic nearly clouting my ***!

I sometimes wish I'd saved a little longer and bought a 4x4 monster truck Octy.

Nigel26 · 08-02-2005, 12:27

i've had the ASR limit the torque before so switch it off if i'm planning a fast launch/manouver.

Saying that the car seems to just power through the ASR now the tyres have about 3mm of tread on them... only in the wet mind...

WW_VRS · 08-02-2005, 12:58

ASR definitely kicked in whilst I test drove the Furby vRS (standard as demo car). Thing is, it is a front-wheel drive car, so there are limits to what you can stick down.

Sounds like the < 30mph on the Octi behaviour is a little too edgy - wondering if it could be tweaked by vagcom or similar ?

On the size 13s - I suppose you'd have to get some light-weight material or just wear socks (lethal I know

)

john banks · 08-02-2005, 22:46

Racelogic traction control might be worth thinking about if you are serious, since you have an in-car dial from which you can adjust the slip that the system runs closed loop around.

This graph shows that optimum performance is achieved with some slip, whereas factory systems tend to run less than this on the upslope of the graph.

I think I'd benefit from it on my AWD car soon as I go over 450 lbft, as in the lower three gears it can be interesting, and that is with three diffs to sort it all out.

FWD with lots of turbo assisted torque arriving in big non-linear chunks (as with big turbos on small engines) is not fun on road tyres on poor surfaces even in good conditions. Modifications can easily spoil the balance of the car.

Leeboy · 10-02-2005, 13:41

You will find that increasing engine output by say 50% will not get you to 60 much quicker than the standard engine because you can't use the power (as pointed out here).

However don't worry about this because fast 0-30 times are not sensible on urban roads anyhow. What you will find though is that (providing the road is smooth and isn't the slightest bit damp) the front wheels will cope with all that a size13 right foot has to offer, providing you are in 2nd gear onwards. Rarely have I found a car that will keep up with this (exceptions Mist. EVO 300+bhp, BMW 330 and a Lambo). Obviously there are lots of other fast cars out there but not behind/infront of me a the time.

Stuart_J · 10-02-2005, 13:43

uM OCTY 4X4 PER CHANCE !!

steve · 10-02-2005, 20:05

ASR on the RS is best switch off unless the wife is driving, try flooring it on roundabouts an the car just cuts out, the same on track.
If you play around you can launch the RS with the min of fuss- as the Tw*t in the 330i found out on Trinity rd earlier this week

.

Steve

**delcac** · 10-02-2005, 20:25

4x4

07-02-2005, 19:26	#1
VRs Nut Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Traction or Lack of even though i dont have an Octy RS yet i am still lookin at stuff for it. some of my friends have the opinioon that if I really start to modify the engine for serious power i am not going to get very good tractioin on quarter miles or when tryin to pull away quickly, the VRs has traction control as standard i tink, but can ut cope with a seruous power tourqe increase cheers

07-02-2005, 19:28	#2
Tavia4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: J5 M61 Posts: 5,294 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Umm, I'll stop myself from suggesting the obvious However, traction control on the octyRS is rubbish, you will turn it off and be gentle with your right foot.... __________________ Ian __________________ Nice to be important, but more important to be nice...

07-02-2005, 19:35	#4
Tavia4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: J5 M61 Posts: 5,294 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Again, the best bet is decent tyres and a gentle right foot.. you can only put down a certain amount of power through 2wheels.. so measure it out gently from bends or on greasy roads... __________________ Ian __________________ Nice to be important, but more important to be nice...

07-02-2005, 20:28	#6
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,733 Thanks: 44 Thanked 68 Times in 59 Posts	Avoid heavy shoes __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there)

07-02-2005, 20:37	#7
Joel_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Peterborough Posts: 1,658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i thought the traction control woudl be a god send on the strip....it hinders you more then anything TBH....the best way to get quick times is with traction control off....this means lots of practise before hand to get quick launch no with no wheels spin... baiscally the traction control takes the power off you as you try and pull away hard regardless of if you spinning it pre emps whats happening this can add as much as one second on to your 1/4 mile time.... im only running standard 180bhp may be with 250bhp you can make up the lost time at the other end of the strip... Joel __________________ Everyday car: Pimp Black Skoda Octavia VRS, 230bhp, 250lb custom remap, blueflame stainless exhaust, lowered, Hyperboost Dump Valve, ABD tip. 1/4mile in 14.99 secs Project Car: Vintage Mk2 Golf, to be turned in to a 1/4 mile beast, 1.8T 20v engine conversion! Watch this space!!!!

07-02-2005, 19:40	#5
VRs Nut Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	cheers Tavia4x4 so just drive the way i drive my current car, a little pocket rocket its a jap hot hatch the suzuki ignis sport spins the wheels up at the sniff of damp roads, and even dry roads lol gentle right foot, must remember that, really must remember that lol

07-02-2005, 21:23	#8
pbirkett Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,873 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You'll probably find an Ignis Sport has loads of traction compared to an Octy RS, which is a lot torquier... agree with the other guys, turn it off and do the work yourself.

08-02-2005, 00:17	#9
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 14,661 Thanks: 15 Thanked 115 Times in 103 Posts	or get a 4x4 __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

08-02-2005, 09:44	#11
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,384 Thanks: 7 Thanked 28 Times in 26 Posts	I find the TC is at is best on damp/icy roads at speeds of 30+ At this speed it is fairly un-obtrusive and gently assists whilst you're nailing it. Below 30 it's a pain in the *. I rememebr pulling out onto a damp roundabout on the way home from Jabba. I booted it as I would have previously and the TC said "uh uh I dont think so" and chopped my right foot off - resulting in oncoming traffic nearly clouting my ! I sometimes wish I'd saved a little longer and bought a 4x4 monster truck Octy. Last edited by Goochie; 08-02-2005 at 09:45.*

08-02-2005, 12:27	#12
Nigel26 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Walsall, West Midlands Posts: 2,298 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i've had the ASR limit the torque before so switch it off if i'm planning a fast launch/manouver. Saying that the car seems to just power through the ASR now the tyres have about 3mm of tread on them... only in the wet mind... __________________ Sea Grey Mondeo Titanium X

08-02-2005, 12:58	#13
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,733 Thanks: 44 Thanked 68 Times in 59 Posts	ASR definitely kicked in whilst I test drove the Furby vRS (standard as demo car). Thing is, it is a front-wheel drive car, so there are limits to what you can stick down. Sounds like the < 30mph on the Octi behaviour is a little too edgy - wondering if it could be tweaked by vagcom or similar ? On the size 13s - I suppose you'd have to get some light-weight material or just wear socks (lethal I know ) __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there)

08-02-2005, 22:46	#14
john banks Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Racelogic traction control might be worth thinking about if you are serious, since you have an in-car dial from which you can adjust the slip that the system runs closed loop around. This graph shows that optimum performance is achieved with some slip, whereas factory systems tend to run less than this on the upslope of the graph. I think I'd benefit from it on my AWD car soon as I go over 450 lbft, as in the lower three gears it can be interesting, and that is with three diffs to sort it all out. FWD with lots of turbo assisted torque arriving in big non-linear chunks (as with big turbos on small engines) is not fun on road tyres on poor surfaces even in good conditions. Modifications can easily spoil the balance of the car. __________________ Octavia vRS hatch: silver, cruise control Impreza Turbo: 2.5 litre, GT30R, 480 BHP, 440 lbft E46 M3 SMG

10-02-2005, 13:41	#15
Leeboy Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hampshire Posts: 1,189 Thanks: 11 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	You will find that increasing engine output by say 50% will not get you to 60 much quicker than the standard engine because you can't use the power (as pointed out here). However don't worry about this because fast 0-30 times are not sensible on urban roads anyhow. What you will find though is that (providing the road is smooth and isn't the slightest bit damp) the front wheels will cope with all that a size13 right foot has to offer, providing you are in 2nd gear onwards. Rarely have I found a car that will keep up with this (exceptions Mist. EVO 300+bhp, BMW 330 and a Lambo). Obviously there are lots of other fast cars out there but not behind/infront of me a the time. __________________ Lee Want to be carbon-neutral while driving? Hold your breath!

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10-02-2005, 20:05	#17
steve Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,020 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ASR on the RS is best switch off unless the wife is driving, try flooring it on roundabouts an the car just cuts out, the same on track. If you play around you can launch the RS with the min of fuss- as the Tw*t in the 330i found out on Trinity rd earlier this week . Steve

10-02-2005, 20:25	#18
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