Octy 1 vs Octy 2

[stu4rtparker]

The octy 1 was hi jacked by taxi drivers up & down the country, a real testerment to its reliablility, but not so with the octy 2, does anyone feel that standards have slipped between the 2 cars.

[Makefish]

No

[johnjohnhealy]

Yep, been saying it for ages, I run a cab fleet of 130 cars and we ditched the MK2 Octys as they were too unreliable, too expensive, and the dealers are all crap (at least where i am anyway)

The MK1 was cheap enough that it's reliability didn't really matter (they are actually quite reliable), and it came with a good warranty, the MK2 does not.

[Babs]

I don't believe the standards have slipped...

Remember, what you'll find on here are a pile of people who are very vocal about the problems they've had. And no disrespect meant to them, but in the grand scheme of things, the apparent "majority" on here complaining about things are in fact a very small minority.

[GAFF]

Originally Posted by Babs

I but in the grand scheme of things, the apparent "majority" on here complaining about things are in fact a very small minority.

true, but maybe the problems to the majority aren't an issue to the minority, if you get me, so bascially the same problems seem to come up again and again and again, some people will try have it resolved and if it doesn't fix it won't be too bothered, great says Mr Skoda Dealer another one fobbed off but for me personally I spent enough money to have the car right.

For the likes of johnjohnhealy with a massive fleet then this is a major problem as its the difference between having a car on the road or not.

Don't get me wrong, touch wood I've had no major mechanical reliability problems .....apart from spongy brakes (that no one in Skoda seem to notice ) but the niggling things are the annoying things and are bascially whats pi$$ing me off and in turn has resulted in a list as long as your arm of dealer vists (mainly for the same fob offs over and over and over and over and over and over again ), which in turn pi$$es the dealer off, my personal opinion is that this attitude is coming from above the dealerships, bascially cutting the ar$e out of NON Essential warranty jobs. Its a sad state of affairs when ya have to go debugging and finding fixes to a problem with a car STILL under warranty and they still won't act.

[johnjohnhealy]

Originally Posted by Babs

I don't believe the standards have slipped...

Remember, what you'll find on here are a pile of people who are very vocal about the problems they've had. And no disrespect meant to them, but in the grand scheme of things, the apparent "majority" on here complaining about things are in fact a very small minority.

My opinion is based on fact, from owning a significant number of each car.

I could show you the full life costs from each car, and how much time each car has spent off the road, suffice to say, we dont have many mk2 Octys any more, and once the warranty's have run out, we wont have any.

They simply are not a reliable car.

[Johnwg]

Nope ..... I test drove a MkII VRS and then jumped into a MKI, thinking I may be able to save myself a few grand on my recent car purchase.

I was back at the dealers within 3 mins of getting behind the wheel of the MKI.... the MKII was leagues ahead, there was no way the savings would have been worth it!

[Babs]

People who run large fleets are likely to see more problems, yes. It's just statistics basically

It does seem like you've had a bad time at the dealers aswell.

I'm lucky in that my dealer has been absolutely fault-less through out everything - test-drives, buying cars, warranty work (just a bit of internal trim replaced that didn't fit properly, replaced without a single quibble), test drives on new cars ("here you go, sign this, here are the keys and the trade plates, see you in a bit!"), and after-sales and servicing.

It's a shame they all can't be like that!

[Spence2]

Had my Vrs estate 11 months and done 13,500 miles. Recently had first service and I haven't had a single problem. There I've tempted fate!!

[JohnMorr]

Originally Posted by stu4rtparker

The octy 1 was hi jacked by taxi drivers up & down the country, a real testerment to its reliablility, but not so with the octy 2, does anyone feel that standards have slipped between the 2 cars.

Plenty of Octy 2 taxis in Canterbury!

[delcac]

Originally Posted by Makefish

No

Yep!!

[delcac]

Originally Posted by JohnMorr

Plenty of Octy 2 taxis in Canterbury!

Were they still running?

[Lowflyer]

Other than services my Octy1 only went to the dealer twice for repairs in 50K miles. My Octy2 has been in about 8 times over the same mileage. No breakdowns as such just several niggly things. To me the Octy2 isn't as reliable but other than that it is a better car.

[Dr Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by Babs

I don't believe the standards have slipped...

Remember, what you'll find on here are a pile of people who are very vocal about the problems they've had. And no disrespect meant to them, but in the grand scheme of things, the apparent "majority" on here complaining about things are in fact a very small minority.

Having owned a Mk1 and Mk2 , I know that the Mk2 has had more problems than it's predecessor iin half the mileage, and the dealers have been far worse in sorting them.

As for "everyone comes here because of problems" , that's far from the truth as well.

There's no end of people posting about how they have bought a new car and joined up. I certainly did the same nearly 5 years ago

[Babs]

Yes, obviously, but as has been said by many others in many other threads, a lot of people come to these forums and complain about their car or customer service etc.

No one posts a thread saying "had a really good week, no problems", do they?

But I can appriciate the problems that people are having, but maybe the problems are exaserbated bad dealer customer service?

[th4neuk]

They have all seen the light and are buying Superbs.

2nd hand they are probably cheaper then a Mk 2 anyway.

And more room for the passengers.

just my 2p

cheers

[Babs]

Probably true lol!

[Dr Zoidberg]

Yep , as a cheap but reliable taxi a year or two old superb is going to be an excellent choice.

Acres of legroom for passengers and nice and comfy for the driver.

I was always a bit puzzled by the Mk1 octavia's popularity as the rear legroom was pretty poor and not good for a tax.

[GAFF]

Originally Posted by Babs

Yes, obviously, but as has been said by many others in many other threads, a lot of people come to these forums and complain about their car or customer service etc.

No one posts a thread saying "had a really good week, no problems", do they?

Now that ain't fair, I go out of my way to get potential customers in contact with a dealership.....when the dealers WON'T even return a persons calls. I'd also go out of my way to try get people to go to there local dealership for repair work, but deep deep down how can you recommend a person go to a dealer if week after week you get fobbed off with problems ?
OR IF you feel you have a problem with your brakes since the car was new.....mention it at 10k service and the issue is still there at its 20k service, and worse still they seem to find nothing wrong.
OR if your being told by your local Skoda rep that the rubber peeling off around the window its due to your cleaning fluids....BULLSH1T
OR that your rear windows should indeed make a functional noise like "they all do", wow thats funny like has been posted 86% of the people that voted said theres DOESN'T make the same noise and those that did had it repaired....... so who's codding who?
OR the windscreens thats been delaminating on every Octy (one I seen was 1999), so in 8yrs they haven't rectified it and becasue they all do it Skoda can't be @rsed finding a proper fix that.

As you can probably tell I'm ****ing sick of the bullsh1t excuses, and I think thats why people are so unhappy with the Mk2. I have held back so much within the last year or so, as I don't want to put down anyone....but the patience wears thin after a while.
You even have people try and get a 2nd fog lamp enabled and either the dealers can't be @rsed or haven't a clue (and if its the latter thats bad not knowing how to use there own software....I even was able to do it).

If we didn't have sites like this people would be none the wiser if there told they all do that by dealers. I'd go out of my way to try promote a Mk2 vRS, but the Promoting is wearing a bit thin now as how the hell could you put someone through that.

Just do a search and the same issues show up again and again and again, Suspension creaking, Dashboard Creaking, Climate Noises, Rear Seat Rattles.

[johnjohnhealy]

Originally Posted by Babs

People who run large fleets are likely to see more problems, yes. It's just statistics basically

You can prove anything with statistics, 78% of people know that.

But seriously, Overall yes I will see more problems due to the fact I'm running 130 cars, but I'm not silly enough to think that each car having 1 problem equals an unreliable car.

I'm talking individual cars having multiple problems, I dont get the same trouble with any of the Mondeo's / Vectra's / Avensis' / Accord's / Jags / Mercs etc, the MK2 Octy is the single most unreliable model of car we've ever had on our fleet - period, The Superb comes 2nd, however they seem hit or miss, they either never go wrong, or they are always wrong (next time you take a cab and it's a Superb, look and see if the engine management light is on, £10 says it is.), I'm convinced they were built in 2 factory's - one full of hard working conciensious people, and one full of t*ssers who dont care!

Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg

I was always a bit puzzled by the Mk1 octavia's popularity as the rear legroom was pretty poor and not good for a tax.

Cheap - reliable (except for gearbox/indicator relay & stalk/battery terminal) - Large boot and a good warranty (3 years unlimited mileage) and lets face it, the driver doesn't sit in the back does he!!